Seriously, your problem is that you didn't get the sale that you wanted....

There is an elephant in the room, or the forums at least. It seems a lot of people are concerned about not getting the sale we wanted in our stockings from Logos this year. Seriously ?

If there's nothing is the sales that particularly interests you, consider how blessed you are already. Many people around the world simply don't have access to the bible study material's you already do, let alone basic food, water & shelter. Even people in the countries we live are struggling to make basic ends meet.

At a time of year when our focus should be on Chris's first coming and this would naturally lead us to his second coming, and the event central to both "Advents" - that cursed tree called the cross, , we sound more like the Israeli wandering in the desert in the book of Numbers. We are more concerned about what Logos hasn't put under the Christmas tree for us than what Christ did on that other tree, at least that's the impression we are giving.

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Bruce Dunning

[Y] Well said Andrew. I consider myself extremely blessed to have what I have - especially compared to much of the world.

Randy W. Sims

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440833#Comment_440833

AMEN! No company owes their customers ANY sales at all. We should all be grateful and consider ourselves blessed for the sales that are offered.

Jack Caviness

Well said Andrew.

P A

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440865#Comment_440865

Thank you

P A

Douglas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440870#Comment_440870

I think we should Look at Michael Roods video on "Truth and Tradition" easily viewable on YouTube.

Thanks

Maybe a Little forward, but Meat for the aged..

(part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GF5iRgYWpo

(part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W52y1USfAg

BillS

[Y] LIKE +1

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440881#Comment_440881

Thanks for the reminder about the blessings we do possess and either overlook or take for granted.

Matthew C Jones

Seriously ?

[Y]

Milford Charles Murray

We are more concerned about what Logos hasn't put under the Christmas tree for us than what Christ did on that other tree

Peace, Andrew! How does one say in the Australian language "right on"!!! ??? Thank you very much for your post.

May the Joy to the World of Christmas always be your Joy! The Lord IS come! *smile*

Donovan R. Palmer

In my view the sales have had some solid resources that most would be blessed to add to their collections (IVP, TNTC/TOTC, ISBE, etc). I haven't needed any of them, but that's ok because I know there will be those that will be blessed by this opportunity. On top of that L5 has been a good upgrade. At least for Mac users, it is significantly faster and more refined. Life is good in terms of cool tools, but even if it wasn't, in this season we have so much to be thankful for.

Alan Macgregor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440896#Comment_440896

In my view the sales have had some solid resources that most would be blessed to add to their collections (IVP, TNTC/TOTC, ISBE, etc). I haven't needed any of them, but that's ok because I know there will be those that will be blessed by this opportunity. On top of that L5 has been a good upgrade. At least for Mac users, it is significantly faster and more refined. Life is good in terms of cool tools, but even if it wasn't, in this season we have so much to be thankful for.

I was happy to get the Lenski set. L5 is much more functional on the Mac than L4 was. [:D]

Much to be thankful for.

Every blessing

Alan

George Somsel

At a time of year when our focus should be on Chris's first coming and this would naturally lead us to his second coming, and the event central to both "Advents" - that cursed tree called the cross, , we sound more like the Israeli wandering in the desert in the book of Numbers. We are more concerned about what Logos hasn't put under the Christmas tree for us than what Christ did on that other tree, at least that's the impression we are giving.

I want; I Want; I WANT !

Not really. In fact, I'm happy that things have slowed down a bit. That's a pretty good Christmas present itself. [:)]

Indeed,

"it is easier to get the people out of Egypt than to get Egypt out of the people..." (Rev. John Hagee , if I remember correctly)

Merry Christmas!

Glory to Abba Elohim, Yeshua Elohim, Ruach Elohim

Tes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440865#Comment_440865

Amen absolutely right Andrew, myself I am very grateful for the privilege Logos has provided us the tools to study the Word of God, we haven't paid for PB not only that Logos has given us to access our Library in mobile devices, Logos has made more than I could imagine, I think it is better to be grateful and competent with what we have than to complain.

Randall Hartman

Andrew, to say that disappointment in the Christmas sales is being like Jews wandering in the wilderness just seems plain silly. But seriously, I do agree we have much for which to be thankful.

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440922#Comment_440922

Thanks for putting it so well, Andrew. Most of the thing that have been on the 12 Days are things that I have and I have realized how blessed I am to have them.

Nice post; thank you.

Jerry

Evan Boardman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440922#Comment_440922

But seriously

When people complain about sales, is the right approach to be critical of them, or do as others have done and point them to pre-pubs and cp?[:|]

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440922#Comment_440922

Garrett no analogy is perfect but I wasn't actually talking about people's feeling of disappointment, but what they are doing with that feeling - complaining like they been hard done by, and missing the blessing they have today, by looking back at what they had in the past and thinking that was better. So my analogy while you are free to call silly is much closer to Israel's behavior in the wilderness than you are implying. The point of my post was to get people stop and think what they are doing , why the are feeling disappointed, and whether how they are handling that disappointment is giving a good impression. I'll be the first to put. My hand up and say I don't alway's get it right. But I am not saying we as customers should never raise any concerns, but we should raise them about the right things. One of the things I am trying to learn to do is when I feel disappointed about something is ask myself why, what is driving that feeling. Is it simply because self is not bring gratified in the way self thinks it should be gratified, or is it something else ? Well I've put it out there is up to people how they take my challenge to stop and think about why they are disappointed about this issue.

Andrew, to say that disappointment in the Christmas sales is being like Jews wandering in the wilderness just seems plain silly. But seriously, I do agree we have much for which to be thankful.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/441081#Comment_441081

Hmmm .... I guess having spent a career in retail, I'm not really put off by forum members that looked forward to a sale. A successful business has customers who look forward to a sale.

But no matter my thoughts on the various sale items (and Logos software features as well), I always keep in mind there's a 'million' (literally?) other Logos users, the bulk of which don't write on the forums (nor have my interests).

So no matter the forum (and me!), the 'mass' of other Logos users are what counts. I trust Bob & Co continue to worry about them (and of course the Logos employees too!).

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/441140#Comment_441140

I've spent my career working in retail head offices, currently working for one of the top ten retail companies in Australia where I work closely with demand planners and am working towards moving into that field ove the next few years so I get retail and I get customers, I'm one of those.

Garrett Ho

Seriously, your problem is that

Andrew, I agree with you your post. I do think, however, that you might have worded the title in a more winsome way for those who don't agree with you, since your purpose was to encourage and cultivate gratitude. The substance of your post was excellent, but the title may turn some people away, the very people to whom you're writing.

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/441326#Comment_441326

I've spent my career working in retail head offices, currently working for one of the top ten retail companies in Australia where I work closely with demand planners and am working towards moving into that field ove the next few years so I get retail and I get customers, I'm one of those.

oh sure, you really know about customers if you've worked in the head office [^o)]

Personally I haven't seen this complaining that you're complaining about. If they are complaining, let them; I find people getting on their high moral horse just as distasteful personally, and would rather not be exposed to it. Logos is a business, not a ministry.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/441332#Comment_441332

No I said I know about customers because I am one, and I am one that keeps Logos on their toes. I agree Logos is a business, I don't know why you think I am saying its a ministry. And my post was not a complaint but a challenge for us all to stop and consider our reactions to not getting what we think we should get. I am sorry you don't find it helpful as a Christian to stop and reflect on these sort of things from time to time. Others have found it helpful, but a couple haven't. I had no expectation of how people would respond. Regardless my prayer is that all would continue to grow in their knowledge and understanding of God's grace and love as they study the word using Logos Bible software.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/441331#Comment_441331

Thanks Garret yes I agree it could have been titled differently, but was too late to change when I thought about it. Appreciate your feedback.

DAL

The title of the OP summarizes the problem...LOL

Hey, when there's a sale that doesn't mean I will always get what I want. Some might wonder "Why include Lenski if it's already a part of MY package?" Well, because someone else doesn't have YOUR package and they can benefit from the sale either way...LOL...Personally, sales are there to target those who are interested not to please those who want a specific item. For example, Walmart has a sale on an alarm clock and not a 60 inch HDTV, am I gonna get mad because they didn't put the HDTV on sale because I don't need an alarm clock? No, I just have to accept the fact that the HDTV might go on sale some other day. Same with Logos sales, I don't have Lenski and I don't need Lenski because it's outdated and his handling of the Greek is not as reliable anymore due to new research on the language. I don't have BECNT all volumes and I could certainly use it and would buy it now, but am I gonna get mad because Logos put Lenski on sale and not BECNT? Of course not! Because Logos is not out there to please me as an individual and I certainly don't run the company and cannot tell them what to put or not to put on sale because the sale I want may not be the sale others want.

So in the final analysis, let's just be thankful for what we have and then when the opportunity comes we can then get what we want, if not you can still call your sales person and they can still make it accessible to purchase what you want a price that might be better than "the sale" that is going now right now ;-) And that's all folks!

Blessings!

DAL