Ready for 10.6?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5840#Comment_5840

Based on past releases, it may not be ready NOW, but I am sure it will be ready when Mac actually releases the new OS.

Donovan R. Palmer

Is Logos 1.2 ready for mac OS 10.6? A friend of mine who has a developer copy installed Logos and the Greek/Hebrew fonts in the Exegetical Study were all messed up, and it took a longer than usual amount of time to pull up even just a four verse listing. In fact, it would only build the screen when the screen was active. If the app was in the background, it wouldn't do anything.

I usually wait at least a month, sometimes three or four before installing a major upgrade. The reason for this is that I would rather let all the early adopters work out the bugs for me. A good way to guage this is to keep an eye on the forums of the product and see what the early adopters are saying. If it is carnage, then you wait months. If it doesn't look too bad, you might only wait weeks.

Corby Stephens

I guess I'm one of those who puts the OS first. I think developers who have access to developer versions of the OS should have their apps ready for the new OS the day it comes out. I'd rather use buggy software and have a more solid OS than the other way around. I use mostly all Apple apps anyway (iWork, Safari, Mail, etc) for most everything I do. Logos will have to suffer I suppose.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5894#Comment_5894

I'm running 10.6 on one machine and use Logos on it frequently. I haven't noticed any trouble with it running in the background, though when I'm building reports and such I usually keep it active so this may just be something I haven't noticed.

I've also seen the font issues, they show up a few places. Smart quotes have issues when they show up in the passage guide, Hebrew has issues in several places, and the exegetical guide font rendering has issues.

All of the problems can be ignored to some degree, provided you aren't studying primarily in Hebrew. I've been running 10.6 for a little while and continue to use it and Logos for Mac with sermon prep, along with Logos running under Fusion.

Logos is aware of the font issue and I'm optimistic that we will see an update soon after 10.6 is released.

Adrian Warnock

More info on this including a quote from Logos here

it took a longer than usual amount of time to pull up even just a four verse listing. In fact, it would only build the screen when the screen was active. If the app was in the background, it wouldn't do anything.

I have no problem with the passage guide, library search, Bible search, etc, in the background or foreground. Exegetical guide does have slowness and rendering issues but I think these are related to the font issue. Once they fix the font problem, the exegetical guide quirkiness should go away.

Seeing the exegetical guide reminds me how problematic it is under Snow Leopard. I don't use it very often so I forget about it. It is still usable, but quirky and slow.

We all love screenshots, so below is a screenshot.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5974#Comment_5974

Chris (or any other beta testers), If you find any other problems with Logos and 10.6 please email the details to macfeedback@logos.com. We don't want to miss any 10.6 bugs with the next release.

Thanks.

Jonathan Griffiths

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5990#Comment_5990

Do you think the update will be released soon? I'm going to be installing 10.6 Friday night (after finishing this week's sermon prep though - you know, just in case). I'll send in any bugs I find, but do you have a timeframe on the fixes?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5992#Comment_5992

(after finishing this week's sermon prep though - you know, just in case)

Doing the sermon prep first is very wise.

do you have a timeframe on the fixes?

We do not have a timeframe as is the case with most releases. I can tell you however that we have a team of developers that are working hard on this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5995#Comment_5995

While running Snow Leopard, simply loading the BHS immediately shuts down Libronix.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6083#Comment_6083

http://blog.logos.com/archives/2009/08/logos_for_mac_121_brings_snow_leopard_compatibility.html

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6085#Comment_6085

The update keeps the BHS from crashing the program, and I also noticed the Hebrew transliteration in the Exegetical guide seems to be fixed. However, there's now an odd looking font under each Hebrew word.

See a screenshot I took of it here: http://homepage.mac.com/rmansfield/assets/Logos/oddhebrew.jpg

The same kind of odd font is showing up in the Hebrew dictionaries for the NASB: http://homepage.mac.com/rmansfield/assets/Logos/oddhebrew2.jpg

This screenshots were taken after installing 1.2.1.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6086#Comment_6086

The update keeps the BHS from crashing the program, and I also noticed the Hebrew transliteration in the Exegetical guide seems to be fixed. However, there's now an odd looking font under each Hebrew word. See a screenshot I took of it here: http://homepage.mac.com/rmansfield/assets/Logos/oddhebrew.jpg The same kind of odd font is showing up in the Hebrew dictionaries for the NASB: http://homepage.mac.com/rmansfield/assets/Logos/oddhebrew2.jpg This screenshots were taken after installing 1.2.1.

The main goal of the update to v1.2.1 was to prevent the program from crashing (and we've fixed the transliteration issue). There is a known bug with the fonts in the tip windows and reports but the actual results should be fine. This is being working on.

Corby Stephens

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6087#Comment_6087

I did just mail this into support with the screen shot, but I thought I'd post it here as well. I'm still seeing these two issues with 1.2.1 and 10.6 while using the Exegetical Guide.

1) Fonts are all mangled.
2) The program will not build the search query while the app is in the background. In other words, you enter the passage you want to study, click the button to make it go, it starts to build, then you switch over to Mail or Safari or something, and you can still see the progress bar are of the other window behind Mail, and it isn't moving. You can move the Mail window over so you can see Logos in the background, and it isn't doing anything. As soon as you switch back to Logos, is takes off as normal. It's like someone hit a "Pause" button or something.

Attached is a screen shot. Can anyone else reproduce this?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6090#Comment_6090

Corby,

Issues continue for me as well, but see Justin's post just above yours. The font issue is still known and should soon be fixed. I suspect the background issue will be resolved with this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6090#Comment_6090

Cory, you asked, "Can anyone else reproduce this"

I think you missed Richard's post about an hour before yours and (as Chris mentioned) you might also want to check out the Logos Tech response from Justin.

Now I do have one questions. For those not running Snow Leopard (I am still using 10.4) is there any reason to upgrade? or is this purely a compatibility release?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6101#Comment_6101

The fact that the update takes care of the Hebrew showing as transliteration issue might be enough for folks still running Leopard to upgrade anyway.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6105#Comment_6105

Ah... good point Richard.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6106#Comment_6106

Good point... except it does not fix the Hebrew error in 10.4. See my screenshot

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6107#Comment_6107

Huh. Weird.

Nathan Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6109#Comment_6109

Thank you Logos for getting an update out so quickly! I'm glad to see how much on top of it you were! You had it out before my package even arrived this morning. WOW!

Matthew Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6115#Comment_6115

@Richard Mansfield

Did you say the update fixed the Hebrew transliteration error? I installed 1.2.1 (without upgrading to Snow Leopard) and they still aren't displaying properly for me. Did I misunderstand because I'd REALLY like to get that bug fixed.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6181#Comment_6181

The problem is with the Hebrew font in 10.5. 10.6 fixed the font issue and we were able to turn off the transliteration in 1.2.1 if running 10.6.

Matthew Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6184#Comment_6184

That makes sense. So if I'm reading the forums correctly, the 1.2.1 update will fix the transliteration issue if I upgrade to Snow Leopard but will then introduce several new issues? Just trying to decide which bugs I'd rather deal with.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6189#Comment_6189

I think the only other main issue we are seeing is the Hebrew fonts in reports and tips windows, but the actual reference or text is showing just fine.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6189#Comment_6189

Matthew,

1.2.1 does not introduce bugs, it fixes minor incompatibilities with Snow Leopard. There are a few incompatibilities left which will be fixed with a future update that Logos has said will come soon.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6201#Comment_6201

No, I think the new weird Hebrew font is a new bug. It's certainly not a feature! And it was introduced when 1.2.1 was installed in Snow Leopard.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6184#Comment_6184

The problem is with the Hebrew font in 10.5. 10.6 fixed the font issue and we were able to turn off the transliteration in 1.2.1 if running 10.6.

Does this mean that Logos Mac will not display Hebrew texts correctly unless I upgrade to Snow Leopard which is incompatible with other applications? Indeed, I believe that others have reported problems with Snow Leopard and Logos 1.2.1.

Jack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6184#Comment_6184

Justin Kooy,

So since you did not reply to my post with screen shot, can I assume you are also ignoring the problem for 10.4 users as well?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6212#Comment_6212

hmmm... that is phrased kinda' badly. What I meant to ask is there no plan to fix this for 10.4 and is the effort going into the new "4.0" equivalent release?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6214#Comment_6214

Joe, the developers are aware of the issues and are working on it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6233#Comment_6233

okay, thanks for keeping us lowly 10.4 users in the mix :-)

Brendan Stark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6191#Comment_6191

Here's what I get in compare Bible versions with 1.5.1. Looks like something got tweaked in the font handling. My Senior Pastor reported it to me and I duplicated it on my system.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6390#Comment_6390

Interesting, I run 1.2.1 in OSX 10.4, and this does not repeat with my Bible versions. I will test it exactly like your next.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6390#Comment_6390

I set up John 3 with the same translations in the same order, and I cannot repeat the error. It seems it may be something with Snow Leapord and not 10.4. I can't speak for 10.5 though.

tab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/6392#Comment_6392

Hey Joe, we know about this issue as well. It is the same issue as with the pop-ups, and the other reports. It is isolated to Snow Leopard Users.