Prioritized List Suggestion

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 9 2009 2:50 PM

It would be helpful if I could add dividers and/or headings to my prioritized list that would visually help me organize my different catagories of prioritized resources.

Below is a generalized example explaining what I mean.

 

Some of my resources here may not be under the correct heading I gave, it is only ment to be a visual reference of what I am suggesting.

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 2:52 PM

The dividers/headings would only be a visual reference and are not ment to interfere with the program.  My suggestion is to be able to manually insert them wherever and call them whatever I might want.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 3:08 PM

I thought about this too, and was going to make a similar suggestion. Perhaps allow us to drag separator bars, like you used to be able to do when construction a toolbar in Logos 3.

However, I think I've had a better idea since. I think the best thing would be if you could filter that prioritising list by type. So we could just show the dictionaries or bibles or commentaries, etc,

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 3:10 PM

I got the idea while watching one of  your EXCELLENT videos... :) 

Thank you for your videos, they are always well made and clearly explained.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 3:14 PM

Mark Barnes:
think the best thing would be if you could filter that prioritising list by type. So we could just show the dictionaries or bibles or commentaries, etc,

Like v3's keylink options, no?  Big Smile

We asked for a type-based prioritization during the first beta, and we also asked for a filter, and the answer was that having one list was easier for new users (as was having fewer options for the list).

I think we need to keep pushing for an advanced prioritization interface...or at least add some way to filter the list.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 3:20 PM

I'm actually not a fan of key-linking, so I won't rise to the bait Wink I prefer the Logos 4 way. Listening to Bob and co. I think we're unlikely to get type-based prioritisation (although see below). However the filter idea is just a GUI change. It wouldn't change how the system worked, and it would be very easy to newbies to ignore.

With regard to type-based prioritisation, the simplest solution, I think, would be to allow us to set the from this resource to a collection. We could create automatic collections that were types and assign them appropriately. That could be implemented without any change in the GUI, although I suspect may cause the programmers a little bit of a headache. Only a little one though.

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Clinton Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 8:16 PM

Jeremiah Daniel Morris:
helpful if I could add dividers

Great idea. I would be happy with dividers every n entries and even more so if users could drop them where they wanted

Regards,

Clinton

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Larry Heflin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 9:21 PM

Yes, to some sort of visual divider or a filter

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 3:05 PM

Isn't the Prefer List essentially a "set it and forget it" menu?  Not that I'm begrudging those who want this feature, but I asked for a similar feature for the Library (something I open up ALL THE TIME and am invariably overwhelmed by)...essentially a Folders and Sub-folders option to "physically manage" the absurdity that is 2,500 resources.  I don't want this to have any effect on "searching" and I don't need the ability to have a single resource in more than one folder (though I wouldn't sniff at that option)--after all, you can't do that with tangible books.  I just want to TAME the infernal monster!!!  I could reduce my 2,500 lines down to a main folder with say 20 lines.  I can't tell you how much peace of mind that would give me.  Then I could literally go to my Library and browse each folder as though it were an aisle in a real library, with all of the other resources in my Library being in their own "aisles"  and not arbitrarily scattered over 2,500 lines.

People keep telling me that Collections can do what I'm saying and I nod my head and then realize that just isn't true.  Collections are for searching, not physical management, and kind of by design they are mainly for ignoring things as much as focusing on things.  They ignore them by leaving them strewn willy-nilly (i.e. alphabetically) across the floor of my library.  I want the ability to put them all on a virtual shelf.

And I repeat: This has NOTHING to do with searching.  I don't know why, but that part seems to befuddle folks.

Physical management...

Physical management...

Physical management...

 

 

 

 

Physical management...

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 8:16 AM

David,

I think the library can go some way to what you want. Switch to the grid view, then sort by a column other than title. Remember you can add columns, by right-clicking in the column headings. If you tag your resources then sort by tag you have folders (though admittedly not sub-folders). Or you can use one of the pre-populated fields like type or author. (Subject would theoretically be best, but the metadata is so poor it's not worth your time.) The problem, of course, is tagging will take forever. But asking for a mass-tagging tool may get a better hearing.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 5:11 PM

David Paul:
People keep telling me that Collections can do what I'm saying and I nod my head and then realize that just isn't true.  Collections are for searching, not physical management, and kind of by design they are mainly for ignoring things as much as focusing on things.  They ignore them by leaving them strewn willy-nilly (i.e. alphabetically) across the floor of my library.  I want the ability to put them all on a virtual shelf.

I do stick the same resource on multiple library shelves ...while it is a pain to set up I've used mytag to classify the books and use it as the sort order when I am looking for a resource. Its not perfect by a long shot but it works reasonably well. And you have to fake set/subset ... but a step forward is better than nothing.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2009 2:58 AM

David Paul:

And I repeat: This has NOTHING to do with searching.  I don't know why, but that part seems to befuddle folks.

Physical management...

Physical management...

Physical management...

David, think

Dynamic collections

Dynamic collections

Dynamic collections

as this has to everything to do with Library Management & SEARCHING.Smile

It just needs a Collections column and suddenly your Library has shrunk to a manageable size (it would operate the way the Series column works).

It needs a few more bells and whistles to be truly effective:-

  • nested collections can be viewed as sub-folders (rather than all resources being listed as part of the parent)
  • indicate whether nested collections should be at the top level of the Library view (to reduce the number of visible collections)

This should prove to be simpler to manage than physical folders and avoid a duplication of effort  with both Collections and Library folders.

 

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James K Brackett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 3:18 AM

Yes, great idea.  Some sort of categories on this feature would be welcomed greatly.

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Bob Diebel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 26 2010 7:28 AM

WOULD BE GREAT!  Coming from the UNIX world, having programed in shell/"C"/perl , I am used to being able to prefix anything with a "#" and have it ignored by the progam... just a comment.  This could be enabled simply by ingnoring everything after a "#" in some pains.

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 26 2010 9:27 AM

Yes, i totally agree. Separators would be GREAT.

But in the mean time i have a crude work-around

i add a chart (Intertestamental Period) and used Advanced Prioritization to look only in the Apocrypha (which i seldom use). L4 allows me to put multiple copies into Prioritization window (since i use Advanced Prior.). Since this is a small chart and i seldom use Apocrypha it should seldom be pulled in to any search. You could use any small book with little or no Bible references and set it for use with something you seldom if ever use.

This way i have a marker between types of resources (English Bibles, Original Lang Bibles, Dictionaries, Lexicons, Commentaries). See image below (i have circled my separators in red)

 

This really helped. i had a serious crash a few months back and had to reinstall L4. After waiting a few hours and sync'ing didn't work, i started entering priorities again. Later sync'ing worked. Little did i know i had duplicates of several books after that. Having separators helped me isolate these duplicates and remove them.

 

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:23 PM

(Bump)

I would also like to see this feature implemented. The list of resources can be overwhelming given its completely unstructured nature.

Contrary to at least one of the comments above, though, I'd like the resource categories always visible and pre-named within the prioritized resource list. This would be very helpful for new people (like me :) to understand what categories of prioritized resources there are and what I want to pay attention to when I'm considering what I might add to one of those categories.

My $.02...

Donnie

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:31 PM

steve clark:

Yes, i totally agree. Separators would be GREAT.

But in the mean time i have a crude work-around

i add a chart (Intertestamental Period) and used Advanced Prioritization to look only in the Apocrypha (which i seldom use). L4 allows me to put multiple copies into Prioritization window (since i use Advanced Prior.). Since this is a small chart and i seldom use Apocrypha it should seldom be pulled in to any search. You could use any small book with little or no Bible references and set it for use with something you seldom if ever use.

This way i have a marker between types of resources (English Bibles, Original Lang Bibles, Dictionaries, Lexicons, Commentaries). See image below (i have circled my separators in red)

I too have a crude work-around, otherwise known as a hack. It's similar to Steve's, but I use books that I've got no use for (ones I had hidden in fact, and removed from my hidden resources list just for this purpose) and I rename them with the section heading titles and prioritize them using Advanced Prioritization to limit them to apply only to themselves so that they won't mess anything else up. (Pink highlighting added in screenshot editor.)

I still want some improvements to the prioritization list (some of these ideas I got from others):

  1. Make it its own tab, complete with print/export function
  2. Implement searching or filtering in the prioritization list (I guess you can't do both, because a Find box at the top will either do one or the other)
  3. Allow drag & drop of multiple resources at once, both to add to the prioritization list and to move things around within it
  4. Give us a way to filter out of our Library all resources that have been prioritized already so we can look for any we might have missed, e.g.,
    rating:>0 AND prioritized:no  (or "... ANDNOT prioritized:yes")
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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 14 2010 6:34 PM

another work-around, see Example of full Prioritized list and just below that.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 15 2010 6:13 AM

Steve & Rosie,

Those are terribly creative hacks. Of course, they just prove the point that Logos needs to add the feature.

Donnie

 

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 3:05 AM

I hope this is still being worked on. I would love to see some tabs where I can prioritize resources for each type.

Armin

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