A thought for former L3 lovers

Let me just start by saying my title probably covers the majority of people here, regardless of what you think of L4. L3 was a great product and blessed many for many years. Even today it continues to bless those who use it to study the scriptures.

For those who may be formulating their opinions of L4, or perhaps are already leaning on the negative side, I would like you to consider some of the following benefits of L4 that were not present in L3. Your opinion of L4 is yours to have. Mine is very favorable and I love trying to sell it on these forums. Perhaps the following points do not sway you, but they do me and perhaps will for others as well.

Sympathetic Highlighting - L3 had no equivalent to sympathetic highlighting. It makes it far easier to find things in the originals, apostolic fathers, and in comparing translations.

Savable Guides - I love not having to run the guide every time I start up, L3 could sometimes take a while. With the benefits of notes and future enhancements I'm not sure any of us truly understand the benefit this will have

Customizable Guides - I love being able to combine Exegetical elements with the passage guide. I can set on guide up to match the flow of my sermon prep, starting with a quick look at the textual variants (Apparatus section), then word by word, parallel resources occasionally visual structure, cross references, commentaries, etc.

Syncing - I have not needed to search for one disc. I can understand the indexing and downloading can take a while but I'm not all that organized. I spent more time waiting on the mail, digging up old discs, installing them (My L3 Gold took at least an hour to get from CD to HD) then I have on indexing. Plus all my notes come right along after having to re-install (had to because of the 1st beta)

Multi-monitor and layout - I love the way they allowed for multi monitor. I love the new layout. This will be a matter of taste. For me it is a huge plus

Word Study Word Rings - I find the L4 word rings far superior. There are many enhancements in the Word Study report that are easy to take for granted. Interlinears with Auto Sympathetic highlighting in the Word for Word, for example. You can add to this the preposition report which was absent from L3.

Documents - This too will be a matter of taste. I find the new "File" section far better for managing my documents. Rather then searching through drop down menus I just type "notes" or if I know the name of the note I can search by that.

Visual Filters-I'm getting far more use out of L4 visual filters then L3. I hated going in and messing with them in L3.

Searching Library - Almost forgot it because it goes without saying

Mobile support -Still developing, but the fact that it's implemented and possible is a huge bonus.

Reading Lists- I like them and I hope they continue to develop.

Command line - Another taste thing, but once you get used to it things become much faster. For instance to close everything ALT + D, ca enter does it for me because I made a layout with nothing and called it ca. To change layouts is all with the keyboard for me.

Biblical People/Places/Things - These have been very beneficial to me on many occasions.

Dynamic Collections - Big improvement in my Opinion.

Favorites Management - Another big improvement.

I'm out of time but I'm sure there is more I could post. All I ask is that you consider these benefits in formulating your opinion. I can't wait to see the improvements they bring over L3 as they implement the missing features!

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TCBlack

That's a great run-down Philip. Allow me to add:

Automatic Updating - No longer do you have to scour your CD/DVD collection or the FTP site to make sure you're up to date with the latest incarnations of your books. Logos does it for you - while you sleep even.

Rev. J.D. Garlock

Just some thoughts... from another point of view

SLOW - Sluggish GUI and almost three times longer to load

Mobile support - This might be worth the upgrade if they consider e-book readers such as Sony PRS-505

SLOW - Search, display, copy, virtually all aspects take twice as long as L3

Like many I hope, as I use it and get use to it, My opinion of L4 will improve but as a long time customer who has gone through several "upgrades" at considerable expense this has been the most disappointing and frustrating.

Did I mention it was slow? [*-)]

Blessings!

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52535#Comment_52535

The beta is much better in the sluggishness department. It also adds some nice new features like customizing the ribbon. You can remove the lectionary. See.

Allen Browne

For those who may be formulating their opinions of L4, ...

Good list.

Prioritized resources is great in 4. Results are much more meaningful.

(Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't find the searching as easy in 4.)

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52545#Comment_52545

I would also like to add to the list...

Reverse interlinear - I love having the original underlying the translation.

Library Management - This includes tagging and rating. They add a lot of possibilities in managing the library. It also includes being able to sort by type, author, and other fields. Can't wait till the Metadata is tightened up!

Keith Larson

Philip,

Thank you for a well written post highlighting all the great new features in L4, but as I was reading your post I think it was highlighting something else--the fact that there are several different groups who are responding to L4 in different ways for different reasons. I represent the group that actually likes L4 as a program, but has been so put off by how poorly I was handled as a customer in the purchasing/installation process. Because of this a dark cloud overshadows all the good features of L4. To compound this, when the clouds seem to be parting and I am prepared to move on, some new user posts their “installation nightmares” and I am reminded again of all the reasons I was so put off in the first place.

What make this even worse is to realize that after 4 weeks, the information that a customer needs to know is not placed on the product page, but what is available is found only on the support page or even worse in the wiki or forum. THERE IS NOT EVEN A LINK TO THE FAQ’s on the main product page!

I couldn’t believe that someone had the nerve in this forum to suggest that all those who are having problem with the software are at fault because they didn’t read the support page, search the forum posts or the wiki. This post misses the whole point, a company shouldn’t require their customers to have to do this much “research” just to install their software.

Logos use to be the type of company that didn’t require their customers to search forums, read reviews and a wiki, you could trust them. I am sure there was a time when Tiger Wood’s wife did not feel it was necessary to check his cell phone, but now that the trust has been broken she has to do some “investigation.” Prior to the launch of L4 I did not feel it was necessary to do research before purchasing a Logos product, I trusted them. Monday morning, November 2, I just got on the phone and ordered. The thought never occurred to me that I needed to do so “research” first. Now things have change and I am very saddened by this. Trust is a very difficult thing to gain and it is a rare thing to find, especially in a software company. I am not so much a lover of L3 as the company the produced L3.

In the spirit of trying to be helpful to Logos, and believe me I really am trying to be helpful, here is a list of things that would have made and will still make a difference for me (trust can be regained):

Missing Features - If an upgrade is not feature complete or is missing a major feature from the previous version this should be clearly noted on the product’s main page or in a link prominently displayed on that main page. When people purchase a produce, it is only fair that they know these things.

Downloads - Customers need to be clearly informed on the main product page and in the installation process about total download sizes and times. On November 2, there was not even the basic download size listed on the product page. The current number is a start, but it fails to inform the customer that they may have addition downloads. My total download was over 15 GBs!

Customer Control - Customers need to have more control over what is download and when. From all that we have heard some international customers have been greatly inconvenienced by this.

Installation Location - Customers need to be informed that Logos does not install in the standard location of Windows programs.

System Requirements - Customers need to be clearly informed of system requirements, especially how much HDD space will be required. They need to be informed that L4 will make a copy of all their L3 resources, so they can expect their HDD space requirements to be even higher if they have a large L3 library.

Indexing - Customers need to be informed on the main product page and in the installation procedure have long indexing will take. (Here is an example of how knowledge can change a customer’s reaction to a product. Because it took 30 hours for me to download L4 the first time, I had plenty of time to read the forums. There I learned about how long indexing took. When the download finally ended, I was not surprised the time the indexing took and was not bothered by it. However, if I had not been informed of this as some new users are not, my attitude would have been much different. The lesson—no unpleasant surprised for customers.)

I don’t like the bugs and sluggishness that comes with new software anymore than anyone else, but I like most users understand that this is to be expected in version 1 of any software. What has magnified these issues and turned these minor annoyances into major annoyances is the feeling that Logos has not take care of these basic customer service issues. All of the items in this list should have been there on November 2^nd and the fact that they are still largely hidden to prospective customers make one pause and wonder if the company that produced Logos 3 is the same company that is now producing Logos 4.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52588#Comment_52588

Keith,

I can appreciate all that you said in your post. I am quite sure that there are some lessons that have been learned throughout this upgrade process and the mere fact that Bob has stayed engaged in this forum gives me the assurance of that. Trust is a difficult thing to win back once lost. Personally, I am confident that Bob and his leadership team is interested in his customers for more then the dollar they put in his wallet. I truly believe his goal is to see Bible Study at it's greatest, and his customers spiritually enriched through the use of his product. Aside from that, which I believe is his chief motivation, I believe Bob is smart enough to not only care about the food on his table and the bills he can pay today, but also the food on his table and the bills he can pay tomorrow. (I would sure hate for his only meals to be Chili and salsa once a year...his wife has to be able to afford that lasagna :-)) Food on the table tomorrow means customers are satisfied today.

Bob is listening. He told me so last night at dinner. I'm confident he is taking your well stated comments to heart and applying them to future decisions. I hope your confidence in that last sentence's truth is re-established in the future as well.

<Disclaimer>All references to food and dining in this post is the consequence of inside jokes.</disclaimer>

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52615#Comment_52615

Bob is listening. He told me so last night at dinner. I'm confident he is taking your well stated comments to heart and applying them to future decisions. I hope your confidence in that last sentence's truth is re-established in the future as well.

Philip,

Two things...

1.) Serving Bob's family and I dinner is NOT the same as "having dinner with Bob"....

2.) Isn't the command "ALT +D" to put focus on the command bar?

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52626#Comment_52626

1.) Serving Bob's family and I dinner is NOT the same as "having dinner with Bob"....

Hey, I ate some of the crumbs. That counts.

2.) Isn't the command "ALT +D" to put focus on the command bar?

you are correct. I will fix that.

Rosie Perera

Command line - Another taste thing, but once you get used to it things become much faster. For instance to close everything ALT + D, ca enter does it for me because I made a layout with nothing and called it ca. To change layouts is all with the keyboard for me.

I have an even easier way to do that. I made a Close All shortcut on my shortcut bar (typed "close all" into the command bar once, and then dragged "Close all" from the drop-down menu onto the shortcut bar), so all I have to do is click that button. I like the icon they use for this command (the one I've circled in red):

Luuk Dondorp

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52588#Comment_52588

I couldn’t believe that someone had the nerve in this forum to suggest that all those who are having problem with the software are at fault because they didn’t read the support page, search the forum posts or the wiki. This post misses the whole point, a company shouldn’t require their customers to have to do this much “research” just to install their software.

Thank you for telling me I got the guts to suggest that ..etc. Yes, it was me doing this. But I didn't say they were fault. And I did NOT say the were fault having problems with the software because they didn't read the info first. What I did say was that they had to stop blame Logos for things going differently than they expected because they didn't read the info or were not willing to look around for information which is available but started complaining immediately. Yes, most information was available in these first days of L4.

I used Logos 3 on Windows (under Fusion) on my Mac and Logos for Mac 1.2.2 before upgrading to L4. And I did this in the very first days it came out. Almost everything went just like all the information I could read on their website and forum. And I read it before downloading. So i knew about the huge downloading, about the indexing (although it was much longer than I expected), I knew it would live beside my L3 and Logos for Mac 1.2.2 so I could use both. At the same time, if I wish. I knew L4 for Mac wasn't ready yet, so I installed the alpha version and I see it growing and getting better all the time. Etc.

I don't care what people prefer to do: downloading straight away or take a closer look first. As long as they take the consequences themselves.

But what i don't like is the massive complaining and whining about all the things what is different to what they expected or think it should be to their opinion. Or when it is not doing it their way. And what I don't like either is the very commanding way some posters put it.

When things should go differently than one want why not post some suggestions or share opinions. Like you did:

In the spirit of trying to be helpful to Logos, and believe me I really am trying to be helpful, here is a list of things that would have made and will still make a difference for me (trust can be regained):

The forum is a great tool for that.

And please complain and ask for help when something is not working the way Logos told it should. As someone stated on this forum there are no stupid questions, and I agree with that. All questions and remarks are welcome. I think you know that the Logos people are committed to go great lengths to provide for help and information in these matters.

I do agree with you that Logos should have made (a lot?) more work of the basic information prior to upgrade from L3 tot L4. That is true and I think Logos people agree with this, too. I can see that they are listening to us and learning from it and doing something with it. ("Better turning back halfway than going the full way astray" is a dutch expression, sure you have a good english equivalent) .

Well, i think you have my point by now.

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52682#Comment_52682

Thank you for telling me I got the guts to suggest that ..etc. Yes, it was me doing this. But I didn't say they were fault. And I did NOT say the were fault having problems with the software because they didn't read the info first. What I did say was that they had to stop blame Logos for things going differently than they expected because they didn't read the info or were not willing to look around for information which is available but started complaining immediately.

You would be correct if this information was clearly available from on the product's main page (which it still isn't), from the Logos sales representatives (it clearly was not on November 2nd) or in an information pop-up during installation (which it was not and is still not). To expect customers to have to search around for basic information is unreasonable. I don't have much Patience for people who complain about a product being difficult to assemble if they don't take time to read the instructions, but when a company does not include instructions with the product that is the company's problem not the customer's.

To be fair to you, I think you were writing about a broader range of complains that purchasing and installation issues and I would have to agree in some other areas such as how things are done differently in L4 than in L3, some of the complaints could have been avoided if people had used the help provided. But as far as purchasing and installation goes your arguments are without merit.

My first week of owning L4 was filled with nasty surprises. First a 30 hour download, then an indexing that hung up and I had to restare(I wasn't even able to use the program until late Wednesday evening!), then to learn that certain features that were in L3 would not be available until the second Q2 of 2010. Knowing these things before hand would have made a huge difference for me. What concerns me that after four weeks I have not seen the necessary revision to the product main pages to insure that future customers will not have all the nasty surprises I had. As much as I like L4, I find it hard to recommend it to others because of issues like this. I would be embarrassed if someone I recommended this software had the same bad customer experience I did.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52696#Comment_52696

Philip,

Sorry for the temporary thread hijack...but it's important.

Please email me at:

rpavich at gmail dot com

I need to talk to you and I didn't know how to get ahold of you.

back to the regular thread. [:D]

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52669#Comment_52669

I have an even easier way to do that. I made a Close All shortcut on my shortcut bar

I did too, but I always forgot about it :-) Plus, I like sticking with the Keyboard when possible but the shortcut bar deserves a bullet!

Shortcut Bar - having things so easily added to the shortcut bar is a big improvement over the L3 system when it comes to ease of use. With one click I have my bulletin excel files and Journal table of contents. Love it!

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52709#Comment_52709

Reading Plans - I really like how bible reading plans are handled in L4 and the fact that we can make them for books other than the bible.

Luuk Dondorp

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52696#Comment_52696

How comes I knew all of these before purchasing and installing L4? And I am not a beta tester nor a computer expert.. But I know that 1+1 = 2

When the info on the website tells me that I can download the upgraded base package and that it would live beside L3 and you can use both and that most of the resources are in the new format and that indexing was for making it fast...then you could figure out that the download would be huge and the indexing of all these new material would take more than a couple of minutes.. (agreed, I have been waiting three days while indexing Logos for Mac and I even posted and asked this was as expected..even for this alpha version. The L4 under Fusion on my Mac took only half of the time, but still a long time) The website also told me that not all the L3 features were ready for L4 yet..I remember I have seen a page about missing features.

Yes and yes..the info was available. So, I think my arguments do have merit. Perhaps the info was not as clear as you might want, And I think your suggestions are well to the point. Logos should have realized that their info must be as crystal clear as possible and easy available in a clear overview.

It was in the forums I learned that a lot of americans (and others) do have data caps preventing them to handle these huge downloads easily. I can understand the irritation about that. This could be pevented when Logos had provided for a way to handle this for those who had data caps. (I think there is, because you could choose for the DVD instead of the download option.....)

So, I think that Logos thought it was clear enough but should have known from earlier experiences that you can't go too far providing information and still you have to go a little further...and further.

At the other hand...for example: when Logos did tell the people to be careful choosing the DVD or Download option explaining that downloading could be a hassle because of the data caps..I know for sure that there would be other issues popping up Logos should have taken care of.... for example that after using the DVD you still have to download upgrades and newer versions of the resources.....It is never enough. And I am sure they hate pop-ups as I do. And I think no company want to put any information about possible hassles with their products on the main page! That's where support-pages are for.

Did you know I recommended the software to a dutch friend of mine in the very first weeks..and guess what..he installed it without any problems and is a huge Logos fan already. I am not embarrassed at all, but as happy as can be.

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52716#Comment_52716

Egg on my face [:$]

I want to say that have only been checking the individual product description pages, such as this one http://www.logos.com/products/details/5486. I did this to avoid the video that starts every time. I am happy to report that if you do go through the rout most new customers would take with the video you eventally come to this page: click on the "learn more" you do eventally come to a page http://www.logos.com/logos4 which does have links to "Features coming soon" and "FAQ's". Let me appoligize for not giving Logos credit for this sooner and let me alos thank Logos for placing them there. I remember the "100 New Features" being there on November 2, but I honestly can't recall the other two being there that morning. If they were, you are correct Luuk it was my fault for not reading.

The bottom line this has gone a long way in restoring my confidence in Logos.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52749#Comment_52749

I remember the "100 New Features" being there on November 2, but I honestly can't recall the other two being there that morning. If they were, you are correct Luuk it was my fault for not reading.

The were there. But the one called "Coming Soon" was called "Missing Features" back then, and is still found on this page:

http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures

All three pages have since been updated, of course. (I would grant that those links are in a small font and are easy to miss.)

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52762#Comment_52762

(I would grant that those links are in a small font and are easy to miss.)

Richard; these days I think the "web style manual" says "small is good" and "subtle is good"....

All of which translate into...."I can't see it!"

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52762#Comment_52762

(I would grant that those links are in a small font and are easy to miss.)

It probably has more to do with my moving directly to the contents page that morning and avoiding the video ever since. I am really sorry I have not revisited that page since that morning. I have been checking the individual package pages frequently if there would be links to FAQ and Missing Features becasue this was such an important issue for me, totally unaware that it was on this other page.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52802#Comment_52802

It probably has more to do with my moving directly to the contents page that morning and avoiding the video ever since. I am really sorry I have not revisited that page since that morning. I have been checking the individual package pages frequently if there would be links to FAQ and Missing Features becasue this was such an important issue for me, totally unaware that it was on this other page.

Just want to say Keith how much I admire your ability and willingness to admit a mistake, and to change your whole attitude. It takes both humility and courage to do that, and you've exemplified both. These qualities are necessary characteristics of good Christian leaders, IMHO.

You aren't alone in missing these things, and the links on the bottom of my signature is a testimony to my feeling that I wish some of these links were more obvious.

J.R. Miller

Philip, great first post on some of the great improvements you see in L4 over L3. Aside from the typical "glass half-empty" folks who wanted to hijack your positives with negatives, I think this thread has been fun to read. I am missing a lot of the fun in testing the Mac, but I know we will catch up soon brother.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52831#Comment_52831

Aside from the typical "glass half-empty" folks who wanted to hijack your positives with negatives

C'mon Joe. It's not thread hijacking to respond to a thread about perceived positives with an alternative perspective.

I should know - I'm the king of thread hijacking!

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52838#Comment_52838

C'mon Joe. It's not thread hijacking to respond to a thread about perceived positives with an alternative perspective.

IMHO, that is hijacking. I don't see any point in life to counter a positive with a negative. There are plenty of threads with bug reports, negatives, and simple complaints. Why some people feel they are obligated to post their negative perspective/experience when the thread was started with a positive, I will never know.

So we will just have to agree to disagree brother. [;)]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52875#Comment_52875

C'mon Joe. It's not thread hijacking to respond to a thread about perceived positives with an alternative perspective.
IMHO, that is hijacking. I don't see any point in life to counter a positive with a negative. There are plenty of threads with bug reports, negatives, and simple complaints. Why some people feel they are obligated to post their negative perspective/experience when the thread was started with a positive, I will never know.
So we will just have to agree to disagree brother.

I've always thought that hijacking is when a whole thread shifts over to talking about the new thing. A single post that is counter to the original tenor of the thread isn't hijacking unless others jump on board and the original thread is lost. I'm not assessing whether that post led to thread hijacking in this case (before you brought up the word "hijack"). But certainly continuing to discuss whether it was hijacking or not is hijacking. And I'm participating in it too, so I'm just as guilty. ;-)

Now let's get back to talking about what features we love in Logos 4. I'll add a couple of mine:

The Shortcut Bar - I just realized someone else mentioned this already, but I really like it

The ability to hide resources - I was getting so fed up with seeing all those targum fragments show up in my dropdown list in L3 every time I wanted to select a different Bible version to see the current text in. Now maybe there was a way to hide them in L3 that I never discovered, but I'm so pleased to have it and easily accessible, in L4.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52889#Comment_52889

But certainly continuing to discuss whether it was hijacking or not is hijacking. And I'm participating in it too, so I'm just as guilty. ;-)

Well, I refuse to discuss this further...

Oh, I just did....

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52669#Comment_52669

Command line - Another taste thing, but once you get used to it things become much faster. For instance to close everything ALT + D, ca enter does it for me because I made a layout with nothing and called it ca. To change layouts is all with the keyboard for me.

I have an even easier way to do that. I made a Close All shortcut on my shortcut bar (typed "close all" into the command bar once, and then dragged "Close all" from the drop-down menu onto the shortcut bar), so all I have to do is click that button. I like the icon they use for this command (the one I've circled in red):

Where did you learn how to do this and are there other shortcuts? This is one feature from L3 that I missed.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52961#Comment_52961

Ronald,

Any command that the command box will understand can be dragged from the resulting drop down as you type it and dropped on the icon bar.

Valerie Pobog

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52963#Comment_52963

I scanned the contents of this thread and didn't see this: we learned today at Camp Logos that you can drag 'close all' command to the shortcut bar and it makes these cute arrows so you dont have to type it anymore. Just click on the shortcut.

Valerie Pobog

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52984#Comment_52984

OOPS. I rescanned and see that Rosie pointed this out. I love it. I hated typing it out. It's the little things that count.

You know, I learned so much in the first two hours of Camp Logos. I was a power user in Libronix. I've been to two seminars and did camp logos 2 on my own. I loved L3. Still do. But my goodness, you have to open your eyes and see this new program! It's amazing! I really really think that the way they released it was great. I was so surprised and even though it took a long time to get it going initially, I am so pleased with all that they've done. Morris said that Bob reads EVERY post. You have to appreciate this company. They are kickin' butt trying to make the best program for us. Everyone at the conference today was so excited. Unbelievable.

It was a bummer that Bob couldn't be there. Oh imagine that....he had an emergency of a work related variety. I missed you Bob and I LOVE LOGOS!!!

spitzerpl

forgot to mention...

Reading View - There really wasn't a comparison to this in L3 that I can think of. Not without messing up your layout.

Reading Aloud - They had this in the L3 Beta, but it never made it to release.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52990#Comment_52990

You know, I learned so much in the first two hours of Camp Logos.

I wish I could be there. Sounds exciting. Somehow it is too far for us from Europe [:)]

Anne C. James

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52961#Comment_52961

This command and others are discussed in the help menu. Just type "command" in the help menu box and select the result.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52626#Comment_52626

Philip,

Two things...

1.) Serving Bob's family and I dinner is NOT the same as "having dinner with Bob"....

2.) Isn't the command "ALT +D" to put focus on the command bar?

So, Phil didn't want to elevate his servant status and you didn't want to brag about having dinner with Bob (who?)

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/53592#Comment_53592

Gotta add another one...

#Image searches - L4 allows us to search for images now. I have found this to be extremely valuable, and something we were unable to do in L3.

David N.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/52514#Comment_52514

2011/01/03

Hi Thomas,

You said:

Automatic Updating - No longer do you
have to scour your CD/DVD collection or the FTP site to make sure you're
up to date with the latest incarnations of your books. Logos does it
for you - while you sleep even.

I had recently purchased a new Logos Resource and I went to "Orders" on my "Account" page and clicked on the order where I had made the purchase and clicked on the Logos 4 download instructions - and it told me that my Resource was already downloaded when I started up Logos 4! I went to my Library - and sure enough! My new book was already there, waiting for me to open it up! I was amazed. Now normally, I don't like any updates to my computer when I don't know what's being received or transmitted, but in this case, it was quite pleasant to find my book already on my system and in my Library ready to read.

One thing that I do miss from Libronix 3 was the feature of user-controlled syncing of licenses and then being able to backup and restore your licenses. I haven't seen any of that on Logos 4 - but then too, I just got Logos 4 for Christmas. [;)]

David

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/208475#Comment_208475

David,

I also love this!

I was speaking with a person on the forum about a resource...they recommended one....in literally under 5 minutes I was cutting and pasting out of it for study....

very very nice!

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/208475#Comment_208475

David, the only "lacking" feature is the backup of licences on your own computer.

The Syncing happens automatically with the L4 servers.

I still remain hopeful for backup's but that will go on another thread......