Anybody seen this yet? I received it this am from Rejoice

There's more info at http://www.learnlogos.com/

The only demo video is so basic (I think it's lesson 3) it's very hard to see if it will be worthwhile.

I think the real appeal of this is to get it all in a consistent format and in one place. I don't think you are going to see anything there that you wont find in the forums and in the training videos here, but you won't have to spend a great deal of time searching on it. Frankly, I'd pay the 19.95 just for training in the advanced topic section he lists. As for what Logos thinks about him? I let them work that out between them and not speculate.

Even though the vids might be basic; to give John his props...he's good at making these types of videos....I'm sure that his earlier V3 ones are littered all over Logos' site.

Jerry Bush said:

I went to the demo page. I am not sure I like the way the video stops all the time for you to do what he says to do. You would still have to alt-tab back and forth between the program and the video, right?

Jerry

Jerry, I just went to the demo site as well. In answer to your question about having to alt-tab back and forth, NO. He actually builds all the interaction into the video. The video is designed to wait for your input and then goes on to the next step in the video. It is definitely "hands-on" training. Since that is the ONLY demo on his site, it would be hard to give a true evaluation of the rest of the videos, but I can see some potential in this product.

So the MP videos are actually part of those feely available on the Logos site (te YouTube hosted vids), except on a CD.

Got it! .. thanks

Rosie Perera said:

Joan Korte said:

Rosie,

That is a good idea but I tried it and it is cumbersome to go back and forth.  Even with the Camp Logos dvd's I purchased for version 3, because you have to run them on your computer and not on your dvd player through your tv monitor, it doesn't work.

It's easy to go back and forth using Alt+Tab.

Or a second monitor

Joan Korte said:

Thomas, Because I started this thread and have been positive about John Fallahee's cd, doesn't mean I don't also think Morris Proctor's training materials are all very helpful. 

To quote my brothers from down under, "No worries mate".

Hi Everybody,

Thanks for your interest in these interactive videos.

Based on your discussions, I thought it might be helpful to post another interactive video on a more advanced Logos 4 feature - Visual Filters.

This video shows you how to use visual filters with a Bible, Book, and Greek Morphological Bible.

This is a Logos forum freebie exlusive link: http://www.learnlogos.com/logos/ No where else can you get this interactive video.

By the way, you no longer have to switch screens (alt tab) or use two computers because the interaction is just like being in the program!

I would be happy to answer any more of your questions via email ilovelogos4@learnlogos.com

Note: You can fast forward through the training by clicking the forward menu button at the bottom of the training video and therefore not interact with the video.  Hence, the training videos can double as interactive and non-interactive videos.

John Fallahee
www.learnlogos.com
GO INTERACTIVE!

Logos 4 is your personal research assistant; this interactive training CD is your personal training assistant.
Don't just take home training...take home the TRAINER!
Interactive Training for Logos 4, a New & Better world of training!

Sure! Thanks! Please be sure to mention the website www.learnlogos.com so they can learn more about interactive training.

Thanks John for the video ... but it too big!  I cannot seem to get it to play on my laptop, and it does not seem to be scalable. Am I missing something? or is it just for this particular web-hosted video?

Regards

RogerKing said:

Try pushing the F11 key to get rid of the buttons/etc. on your browser. After I did this the video fit in my screen.

Thanks Roger, a good idea.

Unfortunately, still no joy. In full screen mode, judging from the scroll bars, I can only see about 3/4 of the height and 3/4 of the width. My screen resolution (Laptop) is maxed out at 1024x768.

Rosie Perera said:

Martin Folley said:

Thanks John for the video ... but it too big!  I cannot seem to get it to play on my laptop, and it does not seem to be scalable. Am I missing something? or is it just for this particular web-hosted video?

Try holding down the Ctrl key and rolling the scroll wheel on your mouse down a bit (assuming you have the kind of mouse that has one). This resizes the entire contents of your browser window. (I'm only trying it with the sample video which runs inside the browser; I'm not sure how the shipped versions of the videos work or if they pay attention to the Ctrl+mouse-scroll feature of Windows).

I just realized you probably don't have a mouse with a scroll wheel if you're using a laptop. [:S] You can plug one in, but perhaps you wouldn't want to buy one just for this. And maybe there is some way to access that feature from your laptop touchpad that would eliminate the need to buy an external mouse if you don't want one. Some touchpads have a scroll-sensitive area on the right side which can be enabled/disabled through the Control Panel. I would expect this should do the trick.

Hi Martin,

The link below is for the the Visual Filter feature.  

This is an exmple of the low-resolution training videos for your 1024 x 768 screen.

Every CD come with two sets of videos to fit your screen (hi-res, low-res)

http://www.learnlogos.com/logos/800x600/

Enjoy!

John

Hi Christiana,

These are interactive videos, and therefore, they are designed to pause, and allow you to interact.

The training simulates using an actual Logos program and therefore its like being in Logos.

However, you can click on the forward menu button below the video, and skip the interaction. But that will require a mouse lick.

If you want non-interactive videos, then go to www.logos.com/videos.

if I may ask, why do you run the vidoes on one computer and use Logos on another?  What are you trying to do?

- John

Martin Folley said:

Rosie Perera said:

Try holding down the Ctrl key and rolling the scroll wheel on your mouse down a bit

@ Rosie

Is this the same as <ctrl>+ and <crtl>- ? The flash video does not scale with the images or texts.

Yes, it is. 

Martin Folley said:

Just watched the video. I liked it, except for the pauses! Subject to DVD space, what are the chances on having non-pausing versions? 

The pauses are the whole point of the interactive video. You're supposed to do the things he asks you to do in the mock-up version of Logos, right there in the video. The video won't continue until you do it. It's supposed to give you practice so you learn the steps. You're not meant to be doing them simultaneously in a version of Logos running alongside, as other people have been trying to do. However I'm with you on this. I think you (and many people) would learn the skills better by trying them out in your own installation of Logos at your own pace, and pausing the video when you need to, not at every single step. It does get kind of pedantic after a while. I've only gone through the demo video, but I wouldn't buy this product for myself, and I'd have a hard time recommending it to others for that reason.

Martin Folley said:

@Logos !

When will the <ctrl>+ and <crtl>- keyboard shortcuts be implemented for non-graphical resources (ala most web browsers)? My tired eyes, changing laptop positiion and different layouts often require a change in font size, which I would like to do 'dynamically' rather than drag a slider and check, then drag the slider again ...

Since this request to Logos is buried in a thread that it has nothing to do with (at least on the surface -- looking at the Topic line), a thread that the Logos employees watching the Forum might have already read sufficiently to decide they don't need to follow it anymore, it is likely not to get noticed here. I suggest you repeat it in the Suggestions forum.

John,

I think you would have better over all sales if you offered both a interactive and noninteractive version on the CD. I ordered your product, but I am not a beginner and I could see that the pace that you go in, in the interactive mode could wear me down a bit. My main reason for ordering your product was to get a grasp of the "new" way of doing things in Logos 4.

Did you see the videos on Mark Barnes web site? In my opinion these are the best out there, and opened the power of Logos up to me in a wonderful way.

http://www.4-14.org.uk/logos-bible-software-tutorial-videos

Your feedback is awesome! I will create a set of non-interactive videos alongside the interactive videos.

I will send these out free of charge to existing and new customers of the interactive videos when they are completed (very soon).

You are welcome! Hey..."The Customer is Always RIGHT!"[:D]

Matthew C Jones said:

What is the difference between this and the iPhone SMS app spam we kept getting? Don't give me the excuse it is about Logos software so the end justifies the means.

If Logos doesn't have a problem, I don't have a problem. So far, it looks like Logos doesn't have a problem...

Matthew C Jones said:

Does anybody have a problem with John directing traffic away from Logos.com for the purpose of selling something? Making money?

What is the difference between this and the iPhone SMS app spam we kept getting? Don't give me the excuse it is about Logos software so the end justifies the means. Lot's of "third-party" training videos have been produced but nobody else is hocking their wares in the forum for money.

This is bad form

I'm not crazy about it.