Bug: Cannot add more than one "Commentary" section to Passage Guide
Now that you can restrict a commentary to a collection, you should be able to add more than one commentary section to a passage guide.
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Bug? not sure
But definitely agree with the request...
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Yes, I was going to request this too. And let the name of the section use the name of the commentary collection selected.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:
Yes, I was going to request this too. And let the name of the section use the name of the commentary collection selected.
Yes, I think I suggested that already, at least I wanted to... It would really be helpful. Like for example, in the first section to have just the Best ones for the Bible book. In the second one to have all major series etc.
Bohuslav
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Agree there should be more than 1 Commentary section
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Damian McGrath said:
Bug? not sure
But definitely agree with the request...
I think Mark still has time to change the title to "Request"!
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Damian McGrath said:
Bug? not sure
But definitely agree with the request...
I think Mark still has time to change the title to "Request"!
I marked it as a bug because this is only an issue because of a new feature introduced by the beta (the possibility of restricting the commentaries in PG by collection). If the decision to restrict the number of commentary panels is purely based on the fact that there was no point having two identical panels (which I assume it was) then I consider the restriction now to be a bug.
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Mark Barnes said:
If the decision to restrict the number of commentary panels is purely based on the fact that there was no point having two identical panels (which I assume it was) then I consider the restriction now to be a bug.
Purely from a point of semantics you can't consider a design feature (or lack of design) to be a bug! A bug is an error or a feature not working as intended.
In this case the "design" stems from the fact that originally (v4.0) there was no point having multiple Commentaries sections (which is what you may have been trying to say).
But we do agree that it is a restriction that should no longer exist[:D]
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I may be pointing out the obvious to the well experienced and educated, but you can add collection sections and they can be limited to a specific commentary - and the name of that collection is the name of the commentary.
Chris
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Chris Elford said:
I may be pointing out the obvious to the well experienced and educated, but you can add collection sections and they can be limited to a specific commentary - and the name of that collection is the name of the commentary.
The problem with this Chris is that it does not function like the commentary section. It is a basic search "Ranked" of all commentaries in the collection, not simply the commentaries pertaining to the passage being explored.
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Damian McGrath said:Chris Elford said:
I may be pointing out the obvious to the well experienced and educated, but you can add collection sections and they can be limited to a specific commentary - and the name of that collection is the name of the commentary.
The problem with this Chris is that it does not function like the commentary section. It is a basic search "Ranked" of all commentaries in the collection, not simply the commentaries pertaining to the passage being explored.
You're right, again, Damian.
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Ahh- HAH! were back to this again- it was also discussed in the L4 group- whenever you create a collection it does not function in a way to reference the passage only- but like a general search- as it has already been pointed out.
Please, please gve us the function we needed- and yes this is a request- not a bug [:D]
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Mark Barnes said:
Now that you can restrict a commentary to a collection, you should be able to add more than one commentary section to a passage guide.
I was hoping this would be in the 4.0b beta, but it's not. Please add this capability. Seems like a no-brainer.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Mark Barnes said:
Now that you can restrict a commentary to a collection, you should be able to add more than one commentary section to a passage guide.
You can already add multiple Collections sections, which take on the name of your collection, and you can drag those sections directly below the Commentaries section. Is that sufficient?
Sorry, missed Chris's earlier post and Damian's reply about the difference between the two sections. I'm seeing this now in practice.
Question: Would you prefer adding individual Commentary sections, or the ability to select more than one Collection within the one Commentaries section?
Melissa
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Melissa Snyder said:
You can already add multiple Collections sections, which take on the name of your collection, and you can drag those sections directly below the Commentaries section. Is that sufficient?
Thanks Melissa for looking at that very important feature need. In all respect, no, it is not sufficient. It is something else. The commentary section allow you to go through the commentaries by the given reference. General Collection gives you the general search results. It is good we can have that (in some cases it might) but definitely at least 2 Commentary Sections are needed. I will give you an example: I created a list of the best commentaries as a collection. I have 2 or 3 maximum commentaries per Bible book in the list. Sometimes just one. I want to see those first. But than I need to see some other commentaries to the reference also. It would really add to the functionality of PG.
Bohuslav
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Sorry Melissa for my long explanation. I did it before you scratched the question.
I would be happy for one commentary section with the collections clearly separated. Yes, that would work IMHO. Whatever is easier for coding [:)]
Bohuslav
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Melissa,
The way those sections operate on the collections is fundamentally different. The Commentaries section keylinks to the headings that discuss a passage. The Collections section provides nearly every reference to the passage. If a commentary is in both PG sections you will readily see the difference.
EDIT: differences acknowledged!
Melissa Snyder said:Question: Would you prefer adding individual Commentary sections, or the ability to select more than one Collection within the one Commentaries section?
Individual Commentary sections is better because we can choose to switch them on or off.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Melissa Snyder said:Mark Barnes said:
Now that you can restrict a commentary to a collection, you should be able to add more than one commentary section to a passage guide.
Question: Would you prefer adding individual Commentary sections, or the ability to select more than one Collection within the one Commentaries section?
Melissa
The goal is (at least for me) to have different commentary collections separated out by name. I don't care to have multiple collections mixed together. I think having multiple individual commentary sections would best fit the current design and wouldn't require any visual redesign. Like I said before, it's appears that it would be a "no-brainer" to allow us to drag another commentary section into the guide.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Yes, I'd like more than one commentary section, that is distinguishable by name, and ideally can be independently turned on/off. If this feature is added, I would add sections for devotional, intermediate and academic commentaries.
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Looks like this had been requested previously and is in our system for consideration. I'll update this thread with an implementation date when available.
Melissa
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Melissa Snyder said:
Looks like this had been requested previously and is in our system for consideration. I'll update this thread with an implementation date when available.
Melissa
Melissa, is there any centralized place (other than the "missing features" page which only includes features which were in L3) where we can see projected implementation dates for ideas that have come from the forum and been added to your system for consideration and made it past the "consideration" phase to actually be in the pipeline for development? A page on the wiki for this would be great. There's no way we could or would want to search through the forum for all the threads like this where you or someone else from Logos might have posted a follow-up reply on the order of "yes this is coming and here's approximately when."
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Melissa Snyder said:
Looks like this had been requested previously and is in our system for consideration. I'll update this thread with an implementation date when available.
Melissa
I hope your considerations are progressing. [:D] I just want to keep this on the table.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:Melissa Snyder said:
Looks like this had been requested previously and is in our system for consideration. I'll update this thread with an implementation date when available.
Melissa
I hope your considerations are progressing.
I just want to keep this on the table.Yes, good job Todd. That was the first thing I checked with this Beta and nothing. May be next time.
Bohuslav
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The ability to add multiple Commentaries section will be available in 4.0b RC1.
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Melissa Snyder said:
The ability to add multiple Commentaries section will be available in 4.0b RC1.
Yes! I am so excited! I can't wait to organize my commentaries six ways til Sunday. (I'm being serious.)
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Although, isn't it a bit presumptuous to add a feature in an RC release? What if there are bugs?
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:
Although, isn't it a bit presumptuous to add a feature in an RC release? What if there are bugs?
It's actually considered a bug fix rather than a feature.
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Melissa Snyder said:
It's actually considered a bug fix rather than a feature.
Would it be unChristian if I said "I told you so"? [:P]
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Mark Barnes said:Melissa Snyder said:
It's actually considered a bug fix rather than a feature.
Would it be unChristian if I said "I told you so"?
Maybe you're the reason it's marked as a bug in the DB. [;)]
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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This has been fixed in Beta 12, according to the Release Notes. I haven't been able to download Beta 12 yet myself so I haven't verified it.
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It's there. I believe Todd uploaded a screen shot in another thread asking for the ability to eliminate the 'Notes' tabs under each section to save space.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark A. Smith said:
It's there. I believe Todd uploaded a screen shot in another thread asking for the ability to eliminate the 'Notes' tabs under each section to save space.
Yup, but I have no takers on that thread.
Also, they need to put collection labels on the individual commentary sections, but Melissa said they are aware of that.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Todd Phillips said:
Yup, but I have no takers on that thread.
When I read that I wondered if anyone ever uses that feature, esp. in the commentary section.
Todd Phillips said:Also, they need to put collection labels on the individual commentary sections, but Melissa said they are aware of that.
That would be very helpful.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Todd Phillips said:
Also, they need to put collection labels on the individual commentary sections, but Melissa said they are aware of that.
Yes, that is the only thing still needed to be repaired. It is great this feature is finally added. I have been waiting for that also very much.
Bohuslav
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Todd Phillips said:Mark A. Smith said:
I believe Todd uploaded a screen shot in another thread asking for the ability to eliminate the 'Notes' tabs under each section to save space.
Yup, but I have no takers on that thread.
The ability to eliminate Notes tabs sounds good to me!
Dave
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