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fgh | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:02 AM

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Any opinion on whether it's worth $25? He's horribly anti-Catholic...

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:22 AM

fgh:

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Any opinion on whether it's worth $25? He's horribly anti-Catholic...

I saw this yesterday or so and couldn't help buying - actually it was more for the wealth of original documents, linked from other resources, than for the explanations. The selection still is biased towards reformed protestantism (e.g. the five articles of the remonstrance are given only in abbreviated form - affirmations without denials, preface, conclusion etc, the Arminian confession is not included, whereas Dordt even includes signers' names), but over and over in other resources this bundle is cited as the source for creeds throughout church history.  

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:26 AM

I was going to say something very similar to NB.Nicks' excellent post!  I too think it's worth having in someone's library, it is a classic of sorts if not always to my way of thinking.

Here is the TOC

TABLE OF CONTENTS

(VOL. III.)


THE CREEDS OF THE EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT CHURCHES


PART FIRST

THE CREEDS OF THE EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH

Fac-simile of the Title-page and First Page of Preface of the ‘Book of Concord’
THE AUGSBURG CONFESSION, A.D. 1530
LUTHER’S CATECHISM, A.D. 1529
THE FORMULA OF CONCORD, A.D. 1576
THE SAXON VISITATION ARTICLES, A.D. 1592


PART SECOND

THE CREEDS OF THE EVANGELICAL REFORMED CHURCHES

Fac-simile of the Title-page and First Page of Preface of the First Collection of Reformed Creeds
Fac-simile of the Title-page and First Page of Preface of the Harmony of Reformed Creeds
THE SIXTY-SEVEN ARTICLES OF ULRICH ZWINGLI, A.D. 1523
THE TEN THESES OF BERNE, A.D. 1528
THE FIRST HELVETIC (OR SECOND BASLE) CONFESSION, A.D. 1536
Note on the CATECHISMUS GENEVENSIS, the CONSENSUS TIGURINUS, and the CONSENSUS GENEVENSIS
THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION, A.D. 1566
THE HEIDELBERG OR PALATINATE CATECHISM, A.D. 1563
THE GALLICAN CONFESSION, A.D. 1559
THE BELGIC CONFESSION, A.D. 1561
THE FIRST SCOTCH CONFESSION, A.D. 1560
THE SECOND SCOTCH CONFESSION, A.D. 1581
THE THIRTY-NINE ARTICLES OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND, A.D. 1563 AND 1571. WITH THE AMERICAN REVISION, 1801
THE ANGLICAN CATECHISM, A.D. 1549, 1662
THE LAMBETH ARTICLES, A.D. 1595
THE IRISH ARTICLES, A.D. 1615
THE ARMINIAN ARTICLES, A.D. 1610
THE CANONS OF THE SYNOD OF DORT, A.D. 1619
Fac-simile of the Title-page and First Page of the Westminster Confession
THE WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH, A.D. 1647. WITH THE AMERICAN ALTERATIONS
Fac-simile of the Title-page and First Page of the Westminster Larger Catechism
THE WESTMINSTER SHORTER CATECHISM, A.D. 1647


PART THIRD

MODERN PROTESTANT CREEDS

CONGREGATIONAL CONFESSIONS:
1. THE SAVOY DECLARATION, A.D. 1658
2. THE DECLARATION OF THE CONGREGATIONAL UNION OF ENGLAND AND WALES, A.D. 1838
3. THE DECLARATION OF THE BOSTON NATIONAL COUNCIL A.D. 1865.
4. THE DECLARATION OF THE OBERLIN NATIONAL COUNCIL, A.D. 1871.
BAPTIST CONFESSIONS:
1. THE CONFESSION OF 1688 (THE PHILADELPHIA CONFESSION)
2. THE NEW HAMPSHIRE CONFESSION, A.D. 1833
3. THE FREE-WILL BAPTIST CONFESSION, A.D. 1868
PRESBYTERIAN CONFESSIONS:
1. THE CONFESSION OF THE WALDENSES, A.D. 1655
2. THE CONFESSION OF THE CUMBERLAND PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH (AMERICAN), A.D. 1829
3. THE AUBURN DECLARATION (AMERICAN), A.D. 1837
4. THE CONFESSION OF THE FREE EVANGELICAL CHURCH OF GENEVA, A.D. 1848
5. THE CONFESSION OF THE FREE ITALIAN CHURCH, A.D. 1870
THE CONFESSION OF THE SOCIETY OF FRIENDS, COMMONLY CALLED QUAKERS, A.D. 1675
THE EASTER LITANY OF THE MORAVIAN CHURCH, A.D. 1749
THE METHODIST ARTICLES OF RELIGION, A.D. 1784
THE REFORMED EPISCOPAL ARTICLES OF RELIGION (American), A.D. 1875
THE NINE ARTICLES OF THE EVANGELICAL ALLIANCE, A.D. 1846.

APPENDIX: THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION
THE AMERICAN CONGREGATIONAL CREED OF 1883.


Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom, with a History and Critical Notes, Volume III: The Evangelical Protestant Creeds, with Translations (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1882), v–vii.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:33 AM

Don Awalt:
I was going to say something very similar to NB.Nicks' excellent post!
 Embarrassed 

but you included a TOC (Vol 3), which is very helpful. 

Here's Vol 2:

TABLE OF CONTENTS

(VOL. II)


THE CREEDS OF THE GREEK AND LATIN CHURCHES


I. SCRIPTURE CONFESSIONS

Introductory
THE CONFESSION OF NATHANAEL
THE CONFESSION OF PETER
THE CONFESSION OF THOMAS
THE BAPTISMAL FORMULA
THE CONFESSION OF THE EUNUCH
ONE GOD AND ONE LORD
THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS
THE ELEMENTARY ARTICLES
OTHER ALLUSIONS TO CREEDS


II. ANTE-NICENE AND NICENE RULES OF FAITH AND BAPTISMAL CREEDS

Introductory Remarks
IGNATIUS, OF ANTIOCH. A.D. 107
IRENÆUS, OF GAUL. A.D. 180
First Formula
Second Formula
Third Formula
TERTULLIAN, OF NORTH AFRICA. A.D. 200
First Formula
Second Formula
Third Formula
CYPRIAN, OF CARTHAGE. A.D. 250
NOVATIAN, OF ROME. A.D. 250
ORIGEN, OF ALEXANDRIA. A.D. 230
GREGORY THAUMATURGUS, OF NEO-CÆSAREA. A.D. 270
LUCIAN, OF ANTIOCH. A.D. 300
THE PRIVATE CREED OF ARIUS. A.D. 328
EUSEBIUS, OF CÆSAREA IN PALESTINE. A.D. 325
CYRIL, OF JERUSALEM. A.D. 350
Longer Formula
Shorter Formula
EPIPHANIUS, OF CYPRUS. A.D. 374
First Formula
Second Formula
THE APOSTOLICAL CONSTITUTIONS. A.D. 350
COMPARATIVE TABLE of the Ante-Nicene Rules of Faith as related to the Apostles’ Creed and the Nicene Creed


III. ŒCUMENICAL CREEDS

1. THE APOSTLES’ CREED
The Received Form (Eighth Century)
The Old Roman Form (Fourth Century)
The Forms of Aquileja, Rufinus, Fortunatus (Fourth and Fifth Centuries)
An Old Italian Form (Fourth Century)
COMPARATIVE TABLE showing the Origin and Gradual Growth of the Apostles’ Creed
2. THE NICENE CREED, A.D. 325 and 381
The Received Text of the Eastern Church, A.D. 381
The Received Text of the Western Church
The Old Nicene Symbol of 325
Other Oriental Creeds of the Nicene Age
3. THE CREED OF CHALCEDON, A.D. 451
4. THE ATHANASIAN CREED
5. THE CREED OF THE SIXTH ŒCUMENICAL COUNCIL AGAINST THE MONOTHELITES, A.D. 680
Remarks on the Dogmatic Legislation of the other Œcumenical Councils


IV. ROMAN CREEDS

1. THE CANONS AND DOGMATIC DECREES OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, A.D. 1563
2. THE PROFESSION OF THE TRIDENTINE FAITH, A.D. 1564
3. THE DECREE OF POPE PIUS IX. ON THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY, A.D. 1854
4. PAPAL SYLLABUS OF THE PRINCIPAL ERRORS OF OUR TIME, A.D. 1864
5. THE DOGMATIC DECREES OF THE VATICAN COUNCIL CONCERNING THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND THE CHURCH OF CHRIST (THE INFALLIBILITY OF THE POPE), A.D. 1870


V. GREEK AND RUSSIAN CREEDS

1. THE ORTHODOX CONFESSION OF THE EASTERN CHURCH, A.D. 1643
2. THE CONFESSION OF DOSITHEUS, OR THE EIGHTEEN DECREES OF THE SYNOD OF JERUSALEM, A.D. 1672
3. THE LONGER CATECHISM OF THE RUSSIAN CHURCH, PREPARED BY PHILARET, REVISED AND APPROVED BY THE MOST HOLY SYNOD, A.D. 1839


VI. OLD CATHOLIC UNION CREEDS

1. THE FOURTEEN THESES OF THE OLD CATHOLIC UNION CONFERENCE WITH GREEKS AND ANGLICANS, A.D. 1874
2. THE OLD CATHOLIC AGREEMENT ON THE FILIOQUE CONTROVERSY, A.D. 1875

APPENDIX I.: Encyclical Letter of Pope Leo XIII., Immortale Dei, concerning the Christian Constitution of States. Nov. 1, 1885
APPENDIX II.: Fac-similes of the Oldest MSS. of the Athanasian Creed and the Apostles’ Creed
ALPHABETICAL INDEX


Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom, with a History and Critical Notes, Volume II: The Greek and Latin Creeds, with Translations (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1890), v–vii.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:36 AM

Not sure I ever heard Schaff described as "horribly anti-Catholic" before.  In fact, he is usually spoken of as one of the German Reformed here whose theology tried to connect his church with the Catholic past.

Only you know the value of $25 to you, but for me the answer is no.  It is available for free online from multiple sources and I have used it in a few sections.  The clear details various sources of (or around?) the Apostles' Creed was impressive and useful for me when I did a study on it a few years back.  I have quickly glanced through the section on the Lutheran confessions and found that while he has some different views on things than I do, the territory he covered WAS recognizable - something that (unfortunately) cannot be said for many treatments of our symbols by those outside Lutheranism.  So I see why it is a classic, but it just isn't worth it for me to buy it separately - even at this discount.

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edit - As NB says, it IS a wealth of original documents - and quite useful for that alone.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:49 AM

fgh:

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Thank you for sharing it.  I've been wanting it but was waiting for a sale.

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:51 AM

I already own this, I think as part of the Philip Schaff Collection when it was a CP/Prepub bargain.

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Evan Boardman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 11:59 AM

fgh:
He's horribly anti-Catholic.
 

Is that why he worked with Catholics on http://www.logos.com/product/30097/a-popular-commentary-on-the-new-testament ?

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 12:03 PM

Randy Lane:

I already own this, I think as part of the Philip Schaff Collection when it was a CP/Prepub bargain.

Me as well!

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Evan Boardman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 12:10 PM

Evan Boardman:

fgh:
He's horribly anti-Catholic.
 

Is that why he worked with Catholics on http://www.logos.com/product/30097/a-popular-commentary-on-the-new-testament ?

I doubled checked to see if I was in error and maybe I shouldn't of said he worked with Catholics. The first statement on the overview made me think he did. "Aiming to produce both an international and interdenominational commentary that unifies Christians."

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 12:41 PM

Thanks for the varying opinions. I'll think about it until tomorrow.

Ken McGuire:
Not sure I ever heard Schaff described as "horribly anti-Catholic" before.

§ 29. The Argument for the Immaculate Conception.

 ... novel dogma ... Romanism ... a striking proof of Romish departure from the truth, and of the anti-Christian presumption of the Pope ... a superstitious fiction of the dark ages, contrary alike to the Scriptures and to genuine Catholic tradition.

 ... unscriptural, and even anti-scriptural.

... based either on false renderings of the Latin Bible, or on fanciful allegorical interpretation.

 ... Romish exegesis ... Romish art ...

... blasphemous conclusion ...

 ... arbitrary allegorical interpretation ... an insult to the Bible, as well as to every principle of hermeneutics.

 ... frivolous allegorical trifling with the Word of God ...

 ... Mariolatry ... Romish Mariolatry ... Mariolatry ... the woman reverenced above the Son, and adored.

When people write like that I have a hard time taking them seriously... Especially when it's clear he's also misunderstood the dogma quite a bit.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 1:31 PM

Evan Boardman:
"Aiming to produce both an international and interdenominational commentary that unifies Christians."

But did he consider Catholics Christian? I've always thought of him as rather obnoxious/silly depending on my mood. fgh shows why.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 1:56 PM

It really does not help keeping theological confrontation out of these forums when people seem to see nothing wrong with having a go at protestants when if the situation was reversed there would be squeals of protest. 

To call a protestant view obnoxious, horrible or silly is really inviting a counter view which as we all know will not end well.

 

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 2:21 PM

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 2:21 PM

Mike Pettit:
To call a protestant view

My objection was to his attitude and choice of words. Neutral and unemotional words signal respect and scholarship. Words like those above signal lack of respect and strong bias, making me doubt the scholarship. I would have doubted it just as much if he'd been a Catholic using such words about Protestantism.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 3:13 PM

In responding to the "enlightenment" the various church bodies all re-emphasized their "distinctives".  As a Lutheran, I see this (and rejoice in) the rediscovery of the meaning of our Eucharistic views and of our confessions.  The Anglicans reemphasized the importance of their bishops and many emphasized their catholic roots in the Anglo-Catholic movement.  Some Reformed emphasized conversion experience, and some other sides of their Reformed heritage. (eg. the Princeton theologians)

And Rome responded with defining the Immaculate Conception, Papal Infallibility, and the Syllabus of Errors.  All these re-assertions by all these bodies are capable of being misunderstood by those who do not know the background.

As much as we can see these movements as being in some way similar and parallel to each other NOW, it was not at all obvious to them THEN.  As important as these 19th century figures are for reminding us of these important sides of our heritage, they often did not see the nuances in what each other said.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2013 4:48 PM

Mike Pettit:
To call a protestant view obnoxious, horrible or silly is really inviting a counter view which as we all know will not end well.

Sorry, I made an error in judging how my comment would be received. First, I was referring specifically to Schaff as quoted by fgh, not to the Protestant view. Second, I was trying to say that I was not offended by him but took his verbage in the context of the era - being alternately amused by him and being embarrassed for him. Some scholars do better than others at using language that ages well.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 21 2013 8:37 AM

I realize The Creeds of Christendom is a classic work, but hasn't something with a little more current scholarship come out on this subject in the last 130 plus years?  Is this really the best choice on this subject.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 21 2013 8:50 AM

Mike Pettit:
To call a protestant view obnoxious, horrible or silly is really inviting a counter view which as we all know will not end well.

So much for "diversification." It seems few are content with inclusiveness but rather prefer total removal of any disagreement. I mean, what exactly did we expect from a title about creeds?

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 21 2013 9:59 AM

Jaroslav Pelikan had a massive study at the end of his career. 

http://www.amazon.com/Creeds-Confessions-Christian-Tradition-Volumes/dp/0300093918/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371833576&sr=1-9

One of his teachers, Arthur Carl Piepkorn, had a 4 volume set on Profiles in Belief that covers some similar territory, but is more on comparing different religious bodies instead of the textual studies of Pelikan.

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