Is It OK if I dislike Noet?
However to myself I justified the relatively high prices, and purchasing of bundles of books when I wanted only a few, with the reason that the money is also invested back into enhancing Logos and Christian books, in addition to the superior value i get. For example, I am thankful that when I paid for a Logos 3 Package, I got future upgrades to resources, core engines, and mobile apps without paying extra - though I did pay to upgrade to higher packages and even Logos 5.
Now comes Noet which is more secular in nature compared to Vyrso or Verbum. There is a bit of selfish discomfort in me to think that probably some of the money that could have been invested to enhancing Logos to make me happier, is now going into something that I am not very much interested in.
All this stems from the selfish unilateral expectations and trust that Logos customers like me have placed in Logos - that it is at least in some unstated way a ministry, and Christian in nature. The shift caused by Noet is bit disturbing, and I thought it would be nice to let this out to gain some perspective :-)
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Peter,
Just to look at it from a different perspective:
The secular market segment is much larger than the Christian Bible software segment. If Logos' future tools are developed as a result of a large influx of secular users and the profits they bring to Logos, those of us who use Logos just for Bible study purposes will be the benefactors.
Now I don't think Noet will soon, if ever be, a substantial portion of Logos' business, so your point that secular users would be net benefiters from our contribution to Logos' profit now and perhaps forever is valid.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Peter Lever said:
There is a bit of selfish discomfort in me
Selfishness is one major reason I love Logos' reaching out to other markets. These new customers will help me get resources I want that are either languishing in CP, or not even available to bid on yet.
Btw, have you seen that there is a new forum for Noet. Your question/comments would fit better there. The L5 forum is more meant for technical questions about the software itself.
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I think Bob's Pritchett's blog post should address some of your concerns. It will benefit the Christian Logos users immensely to have an increase in paying customers for Logos's core engine and non-religious texts:
"Noet is a way of extending our reach to a new set of users. Quite simply, Noet will allow us to sell tools and ebooks to people who would never buy Bible software, funding the digitization of texts we otherwise would not be able afford, and helping spread out the costs of ongoing software development.
The result will be a larger library for all our users, and an even stronger platform moving forward."
Don't worry. I don't think Logos is going to be getting into selling secular novels or random non-fiction like what Amazon.com dominates the market in. Noet is going to focus on scholarly literary/philosophical/historical texts of interest to all including Christians. It's just that there are a large number of potential users who would want to buy those texts too, and who would help spread the cost around to make them more affordable to the rest of us, but who wouldn't buy them if they were linked in to Bible software. So this is a way to bring in those users. And they'll have their own forum for discussing the software and resources, so they won't likely be coming in here and blasting the Bible or Christian Logos users on the Logos forums. And if we don't blast them either, we'll all be better off for it.
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It's certainly OK if you dislike Noet.
Personally, I'm no more interested in Noet offerings than you are. However, given that Logos has had to develop Greek tools for all its users, and Latin tools particularly for Catholic users, then I can't see that Noet will distract from core development particularly. And there is a potential up side. Having morphologically tagged Greek texts will potentially useful for New Testament students, as they'll be able to compare the NT with classical literature, and look up references from lexicons in that literature. Significantly, the pre-pub programme allows Logos to develop most of this without risking many dollars at all, as they'll only produce files when there's sufficient demand.
And it's not as if these resources are coming out instead of Biblical studies material. There was a time when I used to buy everything Bible-related in Logos. That time has long gone, I can hardly keep up with new material nowadays.
So although I'm not interested in Noet personally, I'm not particularly worried that it's going to take Logos' attention or dollars away from their core business.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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I am not that interested in Noet either, but I agree with and understand Logos' strategy to spread the development costs across a wider audience and market(s), so it will help me as a primarily Bible/theology customer.
That said, of the current postings on PrePub, I did order the Ancient Philosophy bundle, as Christian ideas in some cases came out of the terminology of Aristotle and Plato (for example, substance and essence by Aquinas). Aquinas relied on them a lot I have read, so I think I may learn some from this particular product. There may be others that have cross-audience appeal too.
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If only Logos had provided this new platform back in 1984 - I would have been a customer! [:)]
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Peter Lever said:
There is a bit of selfish discomfort in me to think that probably some of the money that could have been invested to enhancing Logos to make me happier, is now going into something that I am not very much interested in.
I had a somewhat opposite response thinking that now Logos was going to have to fix some of its shortcomings because the academic side would demand it ... especially on place notes on the relationship between 2 texts, visual annotations correcting semantic and grammatic coding. maybe even counts on the text and on searches.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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David Bailey said:
If only Logos had provided this new platform back in 1984 - I would have been a customer!
Glad you ended up coming into the Logos fold through the Christian door, even if you weren't one yet back in 1984. [:)]
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I envision LOGOS eventually being the academic e-book product of choice.
My training includes the physical sciences (chemistry and computer science), the social science (counselor education), and the humanities (seminary MDiv) - given the tools built into LOGOS, my use of e-book resources could have been helped with the addition of LOGOS to the tools available for my use.
I understand that they have started with the broader humanities, but I can foresee a day when the tools built into LOGOS can be used to assist in the study of fields across the academic spectrum. I would expect that a separate division (ala Verbum and Noet) would be needed to support the larger academic market - but because LOGOS has the best tools available for study, I can picture it being adopted as the academic e-reader of choice for any number of publishers.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
I understand that they have started with the broader humanities, but I can foresee a day when the tools built into LOGOS can be used to assist in the study of fields across the academic spectrum. I would expect that a separate division (ala Verbum and Noet) would be needed to support the larger academic market - but because LOGOS has the best tools available for study, I can picture it being adopted as the academic e-reader of choice for any number of publishers.
Would be nice. I imagine they'd have to develop a lot of features that wouldn't be particularly useful to their core mission of Biblical studies though if they were to enter the scientific markets: ability to display and dynamically manipulate mathematical charts, databases of chemical elements and such. I'm guessing that is not on the radar screen in the next couple of decades. But perhaps if Logos becomes successful in reaching out to the secular market, their core mission will shift. It would make the original customers even more disappointed, though.
Their mission statement is still: "Our goal is to be the worldwide leader in electronic tools and resources for multilingual Bible study. Our mission is to serve the church. We believe that Bible study should be at the heart of the Christian life. It's our privilege to equip pastors, students, missionaries, teachers, and the church at large with tools that make Bible study easier and more accessible. It's our responsibility to ensure that the investment in technology we can afford to make because we serve the western church pays dividends for the whole world. Our hope is that as you learn more about Logos Bible Software you'll see it not only as the best Bible study tool anywhere, but also as a way to make Bible study resources more accessible to the church in developing countries."
I don't think the rolling out of Noet has changed that fundamental mission, but I might be wrong.
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Peace to my Logos Forums Brothers and Sisters ....
Frankly, I am so very pleased with the Liberal Arts Education, heavy on Theology and The Humanities, that I did receive ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
When one looks at the connection between Liberal Arts and the Humanities and the training of the clergy over the many years this is a "natural" for Logos ...
Thank you, Bob! Indeed Thou Art a Visionary! *smile*
Frankly, I think it's so sad that Liberal Arts and The Humanities are not "stressed" today ....
Frankly, Noet pleases me "no end"!!! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I think Noet is a great idea, and it will benefit all of us.
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Milford Charles Murray said:
When one looks at the connection between Liberal Arts and the Humanities and the training of the clergy over the many years this is a "natural" for Logos ...
Frankly, I think it's so sad that Liberal Arts and The Humanities are not "stressed" today ....
I think a lot of Christians have been misinformed and have mostly rejected the Liberal Arts and the Humanities because they thought the former was "liberal" which is a bad word in their lexicon, and they thought the latter had to do with "humanism" which is another bad word in their lexicon (both of those are not actually bad, but that's a story for another day). It's very a unfortunate misconception, and congregations whose pastors were trained without a strong background in the liberal arts and humanities have been the poorer for it, and have perpetuated this misconception. It's ironic, because the great clergymen of the past whom they often laud were trained well in the liberal arts and humanities. They knew their Greek and Latin classics and English literature and philosophy. And more. They were often polymaths (and that has nothing to do with mathematics other than it being one of the many subjects that polymaths are knowledgeable in). Would that our pastors today were all so broadly educated!
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"Noet is a way of extending our reach to a new set of users. Quite simply, Noet will allow us to sell tools and ebooks to people who would never buy Bible software, funding the digitization of texts we otherwise would not be able afford, and helping spread out the costs of ongoing software development."
If this ends up being true – and it's a big "if;" how in the world is Logos going to compete with someone like Amazon, where people can already buy works by Aristotle et al. for their Kindle? – then it will be extremely beneficial. I think of something like The New Interpreter's Bible, for example. So far, there haven't been enough Pre-Pub orders to make it happen and Abingdon has seemingly been quite silly with Logos (and its competitors). If Logos gains a far greater user base than it already does, it's almost a guarantee that (a) Abingdon will take notice and (b) Logos will be able to produce almost anything it wants to because the funding is there to do so.
But, again – it's still a big "if."
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Adam Rao said:
If Logos gains a far greater user base than it already does
I'm wondering how Logos is going to market Noet to the wider world. A blog post and tweets from a company that has been entirely ignored by the non-religious academic world thus far are not going to have any effect. They are going to have to start buying ads in scholarly journals, pitching academic sales at non-theological universities and graduate schools, going for major online ad campaigns on major general websites that appeal to non-religious types (Google, CNN, Huffington Post, etc.) and much more more (maybe a Superbowl ad?) if they're going to make a dent in Amazon's share of that market.
Maybe they should also consider partnering with other scholarly research sites (Questia, Highbeam Research, Google Scholar), online scholarly e-text sites (JSTOR, Sage Publications) and online education sites (edX, Coursera, Udacity, Khan Academy). However some of these places would be competitors of Logos's new venture, and the latter four appeal to people who want only free content who would never pay for Noet books.
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Blessings, Rosie! *smile* I'm very surprised at how much you've already thought many of these through. Thanks for sharing .......
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I imagine they'll use the same methods they've used to get into the Catholic market:
- Locate the most influential bloggers and offer them a free copy in return for an honest review.
- Locate the most respected professors and offer them a free copy in return for an honest endorsement.
- Show up on the most important conferences.
- Spread the word on Twitter and Facebook.
(I presume they've used ads as well, but I wouldn't know to what extent.)
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Milford Charles Murray said:
I'm very surprised at how much you've already thought many of these through.
I've been an avid researcher for years, and I subscribe to many online research sites to aid in my searches for information. I subscribe to Questia, HighBeam and the Literary Encyclopedia, and I maintain my academic affiliation by continuing to audit courses so that I can have access to e-journals (through JSTOR, Sage Publications, EBSCO, ProQuest, Oxford Journals Online, etc.), the online OED, ATLA, TREN, and much much more.
I've also become very intrigued by the whole open source online education movement and have my eye on taking some online courses through Coursera or one of the others when I have some time.
So yeah, it was natural for me to think through the potential for missed opportunities with Logos starting up the Noet venture. Academics are out there in droves doing their research in many ways. Logos needs to get to them and let them know about this new treasure trove. However most of them who have academic library access already have free or relatively inexpensive ways of gaining access to all the materials they would ever need, with semi-decent search engines (though admittedly the resources are not all inter-linked, which is Logos's strength), so I'm not all that certain that owning entire collections of digital texts is what they'll want. Logos should seriously consider adding a subscription model for Noet. I'm guessing they've already been thinking of this...
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I'm pleased with the expansion via Noet as I think it will offer more for Logos uses who will all benefit. It makes me wonder what may be the next.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I'm pleased with the expansion via Noet as I think it will offer more for Logos uses who will all benefit. It makes me wonder what may be the next.
Soet (or Hoet) - for agricultural / farm users
Roet - for boaters
Moet - for home yard care / gardening enthusiasts
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Rosie Perera said:Bruce Dunning said:
I'm pleased with the expansion via Noet as I think it will offer more for Logos uses who will all benefit. It makes me wonder what may be the next.
Soet (or Hoet) - for agricultural / farm users
Roet - for boaters
Moet - for home yard care / gardening enthusiasts
Or Moet Chandon for wine lovers. [D]
george
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I like that Perseus is being broken up into more bite size chunks within each bundle. Maybe they will make each Perseus collection a single resource with many volumes within (like TDNT, ABD, etc). It would be nice to tidy up Perseus within my library.
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On to the really important question...
just how should you pronounce "Noet"? [:O]
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Lee said:
just how should you pronounce "Noet"?
It rhymes with "poet" as Bob Pritchett said in his blog post announcing Noet: http://blog.logos.com/2013/06/introducing-noet-scholarly-ebooks/
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Rosie Perera said:
I'm wondering how Logos is going to market Noet to the wider world.
I would think they might aim first for the small religious liberal arts college. Their features and limitations should be a decent match in that market. There are several features that they need to add/improve before they are ready for the grad school market in Greek or Latin. It sounds as if they know this and will be making some of the required changes.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I think Logos will need to consider adding features similar to the following to be competitive in the Classics graduate student arena:
- Diction is used by those interested in content analysis, sentiment analysis, corpus linguistics, natural language processing, and the digital humanities.
- Text Analysis Markup System (TAMS) is both a system of marking documents for qualitative analysis and a series of tools for mining information based on that syntax.
- Juxta: compare, collate, discover
- Gephi for connection identification
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Rosie Perera said:
And we enter the million-dollar round ... would that be [ˈpəʊɪt] or [ˈpoʊət]? **taking cover**
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Peter Lever said:
some of the money that could have been invested to enhancing Logos to make me happier, is now going into something that I am not very much interested in.
Of course you're welcome to dislike anything, but as Rosie and others have pointed out, we believe that Noet will have the opposite effect: people not interested in biblical studies will be subsidizing biblical-studies tools for you. (Shhhhh... don't tell them!)
Much of what's for sale at Noet is stuff we already sold for Logos -- and much of what we'll be adding is content many Logos users want, but we didn't have enough orders for. It really is a win-win, particularly with the Greek and Latin classics and reference works.
In the 1990's we explored moving into every kind of electronic book. It wasn't a good fit and was a waste of our energy and focus. Today, with a lot more size, capability, experience, and (hopefully) wisdom, we're expanding our market again. The difference is that we're not doing everything (we did botany, law and model railroading (really!) in the past); instead, we're moving into adjacent fields where we know our tools add value over generic ebooks, and where the new books we'll do for that market are of interest to significant numbers of our existing users.
We believe this is 'growth done right' and if it's not, we'll adjust quickly. The one thing we are very good at now is tracking income and expenses!
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Like Noet big time :-)
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Lee said:
And we enter the million-dollar round ... would that be [ˈpəʊɪt] or [ˈpoʊət]? **taking cover**
I'm not great at reading those phonetic alphabet thingies. But didn't you mean [ˈpoʊɪt] for the first one? I don't know anyone who pronounces the first syllable with a schwa, and I didn't even think schwa could ever be in an accented syllable.
I don't know what that ʊ symbol sounds like. Anyway, according to Wikipedia, "Use of this symbol is no longer sanctioned by the IPA."
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JPH said:
I like that Perseus is being broken up into more bite size chunks within each bundle.
Perseus isn't being broken up. These are different editions.
Rosie Perera said:Lee said:And we enter the million-dollar round ... would that be [ˈpəʊɪt] or [ˈpoʊət]? **taking cover**
I'm not great at reading those phonetic alphabet thingies. But didn't you mean [ˈpoʊɪt] for the first one?
[ˈpəʊɪt] is the normal, in fact only, pronunciation according to both my hardback and Apple dictionaries.
Rosie Perera said:I don't know what that ʊ symbol sounds like. Anyway, according to Wikipedia, "Use of this symbol is no longer sanctioned by the IPA."
You misread. It says the closed omega is no longer sanctioned. This is the symbol that replaced it.
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MJ. Smith said:
...especially on place notes on the relationship between 2 texts, visual annotations correcting semantic and grammatic coding. maybe even counts on the text and on searches.
A very good point, I'm thinking that to succeed in this market Logos will have to move away from the "read it here and compile it somewhere else" philosophy.
Although, looking at the Noet video, it looks like the aim is just fully linked interactive ebooks. (a bit disheartening to see a classroom full of students with the Noet app in one hand and a pad and paper in the other...)
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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fgh said:Lee said:
And we enter the million-dollar round ... would that be [ˈpəʊɪt] or [ˈpoʊət]? **taking cover**
[ˈpəʊɪt] is the normal, in fact only, pronunciation according to both my hardback and Apple dictionaries.
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"... [A]
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Lee said:fgh said:Lee said:
And we enter the million-dollar round ... would that be [ˈpəʊɪt] or [ˈpoʊət]? **taking cover**
[ˈpəʊɪt] is the normal, in fact only, pronunciation according to both my hardback and Apple dictionaries.
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"...
Once again it has become evident that even with all of our attempts to provide leadership in this matter, the British have never learned how to properly speak the English language. We sent thousands of our young people there during the War to teach them proper English but they refused to learn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhninL_G3Fg
george
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Thank you, George! I enjoyed that! Indeed, a classic! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Isn't Logos core business selling books?
Take care.
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Gregory N. Chase said:
Isn't Logos core business selling books?
Take care.
Just a bit (or a byte) [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Lee said:
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
How does [ˈpəʊɪt] even sound? I can't imagine it. Isn't ə a schwa, an unstressed "uh" sound? I cannot fathom it being the first syllable of poet. Here's a British pronunciation: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=poet&submit=Submit . Why does the vowel in that first syllable get rendered as a schwa?
Lee said:Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"...
That's why the phrase "you're a poet and you don't know it!" works.
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Rosie Perera said:
That's why the phrase "you're a poet and you don't know it!" works.
Your feet show it—they're long fellows. [;)]
george
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George Somsel said:Lee said:
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"...
Once again it has become evident that even with all of our attempts to provide leadership in this matter, the British have never learned how to properly speak the English language. We sent thousands of our young people there during the War to teach them proper English but they refused to learn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhninL_G3Fg
See your video at 4:42! [:D]
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Lee said:
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"...
See your video at 4:42!
I don't need to. I'm well aware that 'Enry 'Iggens says that "in America they haven't spoken it for years." Perhaps you need some practice in recognizing humor.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Humour is hard to nail down, George. Hard. I had to learn it the hard way, and still learning because I continue to interact with people from diverse cultures.
Some folks may have no more need to learn, but I certainly do.
Internet humour, or the lack of it, is especially hard to nail down.
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George Somsel said:Lee said:
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"...
See your video at 4:42!
I don't need to. I'm well aware that 'Enry 'Iggens says that "in America they haven't spoken it for years." Perhaps you need some practice in recognizing humor.
I actually thought Lee's reply was pretty funny. Made me want to say "touché." All of this conversation has been said in jest up to this point, so it was fair of him to reply in jest (note the big smiley face). Not sure what about his reply made you think he completely missed your humor. (Or maybe I'm missing the humor in your reply above, which of course is a possible pitfall of Internet communications.)
Anyway, we've probably pushed these puns and linguistic chit-chat far enough and should get back to the real work we were doing before, whatever that was. [;)]
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Personally, I am extremely excited about Noet. Although I won't personally be using it, I am very happy that Logos has decided to expand their base.
I have a significant amount of the past few years' salary invested in Logos, and I desperately want Logos to be here as long as I have breath, and even be able to pass it to my children someday.
I hope that someday Logos will be able to display on my wallpaper, and that I can manipulate it manually in something like 3D, and even do most of my work by issuing verbal commands.
Hopefully Logos will fulfill my sci-fi fantasies in the future!
EDIT: I also wanted to say that I commend Logos for putting more scholars to work! And I bet Logos treats them very well. They get to sit at an air-conditioned desk and parse to their heart's content! And what's more, they get paid for it!
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K. Sholtess said:
They get to sit at an air-conditioned desk
Very much appreciated, I'm sure, during this heat wave that the whole West Coast is experiencing, including Bellingham (not as bad up in the Northwest as in Death Valley, but still a good 15 degrees above normal temps for this time of year).
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Rosie Perera said:
I actually thought Lee's reply was pretty funny. Made me want to say "touché." All of this conversation has been said in jest up to this point, so it was fair of him to reply in jest (note the big smiley face). Not sure what about his reply made you think he completely missed your humor. (Or maybe I'm missing the humor in your reply above, which of course is a possible pitfall of Internet communications.)
Anyway, we've probably pushed these puns and linguistic chit-chat far enough and should get back to the real work we were doing before, whatever that was.
Perhaps you're right. I didn't particularly see anything funny in it despite the smiley. I thought the smiley was simply saying, I'm still your friend. That's why I frequently put a wink first to say "don't believe this." I happen to like most things British which is why I tease them about the language—after all, where did English come from? Who was the greatest orator of recent times if not Winston Churchill? Who was the greatest playwrite whose works are know throughout the world if not Shakespeare?
Were we doing something else? I thought we were just chewing the fat. [:D] After all, no one has any right to dislike Noet—they must like everything Logos does ! [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:Rosie Perera said:
I actually thought Lee's reply was pretty funny. Made me want to say "touché."
Perhaps you're right. I didn't particularly see anything funny in it despite the smiley. I thought the smiley was simply saying, I'm still your friend.
My interpretation of the exchange was: he claimed that the British pronunciation should be acknowledged by Logos; you tweaked him about that by posting that video which implies that even the British don't know how to speak; he responded with a timestamp on that video clip, in effect saying "yeah, but even Henry Higgins says the Americans don't know how to speak either, so who are you (an American) to say the Brits don't know how to pronounce things." I thought it was a very economic and witty reply, given in good fun. That's why I was so stunned by your response to him. Maybe I had it all wrong, but he seriously didn't seem to be in a fightin' mood.
Even this entire bit by him was so totally obviously tongue-in-cheek:
Lee said:fgh said:Lee said:And we enter the million-dollar round ... would that be [ˈpəʊɪt] or [ˈpoʊət]? **taking cover**
[ˈpəʊɪt] is the normal, in fact only, pronunciation according to both my hardback and Apple dictionaries.
Ah ... Oxford has it that American English pronunciation is [ˈpōət] or [ˈpōit], whereas in British English it is [ˈpəʊɪt].
Perhaps someone should inform marketing that "poet" is pronounced differently across the pond. And consider the ramifications of "Know-it"...
He isn't sourly saying that the British way is the only right way, just lightheartedly saying that marketing might want to capitalize on the British way (which rhymes better with "know-it") in their marketing to Brits. Smiley with halo: "see what a bright boy I am; I should get a prize for this."
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Rosie Perera said:
He isn't sourly saying that the British way is the only right way, just lightheartedly saying that marketing might want to capitalize on the British way (which rhymes better with "know-it") in their marketing to Brits. Smiley with halo: "see what a bright boy I am; I should get a prize for this."
But he didn't stick in his thumb and pull out a plumb ! Well, perhaps I'm the one who needs some practice in humor. I'll strive to be less serious in the future. After all, I wouldn't want to be though of as an old grump. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I wouldn't want to be though of as an old grump.
Too late for that. But there's a difference between a lovable curmudgeon (which you are) and a person who gets bent out of shape easily and snaps at people (which I don't think you are, generally). I think you just misread it, an honest mistake.
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