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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2013 1:22 PM

The use of the exclusion operator seems to have no effect on the search. I've tried more permutations that I show.

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Logos 5 does not support searching for a term not followed by a specified word.

As a workaround, you could use:

false NOTEQUALS "false teachers"

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 8 2013 8:55 PM

Thanks Bradley. Your explanation is useful. Unfortunately, your suggested search does not give the desired results which is why I was trying these options. My thanks to Mark Barnes for the solution: (false ANDNOT "false teachers") OR (false WITHIN 2-999999999 WORDS "false teachers")

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MJ. Smith:

Unfortunately, your suggested search does not give the desired results which is why I was trying these options.

I suddenly realised that it doesn't actually work and came back to amend my post, but you beat me to it.

Logos 5 does not have a built-in operator that does what you want.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 2:00 PM

From another thread:

Dave Hooton:

Mark Barnes:

I've changed my mind. How about this:

(false ANDNOT "false teachers") OR (false WITHIN 2-999999999 WORDS "false teachers")

It's just another workaround that fails because it still depends on "false teachers"! There are many spurious results generated because of occurrences of  "false teachers" near "false teachers". In my Library of just over 1000 resources there are:-

desired result         =  50482 hits  (subtracting the result of "false teachers" query from "false" query)

ANDNOT query only 45968 hits  (4514 short)

Mark's suggestion    =  61789 hits

query for "false"        =  58881 hits

Bottom line: Logos should support unary NOT e.g.  false BEFORE 1 WORD -teachers.

As I am working out the details of how the Logos search works, the less I trust it. That is not a good sign.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 2:13 PM

MJ. Smith:
As I am working out the details of how the Logos search works, the less I trust it.

It's trustworthy (apart from the double-counting on morphology searches). All of those searches did what was asked of them. It's just that there are some obvious things you simply can't do: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5/suggestions/2886652-improce-search-restrict-search-to-parts-of-a-reso

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 8:13 PM

MJ. Smith:
As I am working out the details of how the Logos search works, the less I trust it. That is not a good sign.

With good reason when essential (Boolean) operators are missing - the text search is simply not as capable as its predecessor, Libronix/Logos 3. And Logos continues to ignore (since Logos 4 came out in 2009) the fixable inconsistencies from certain queries in different resources e.g. ANDEQUALS queries. Also, the NASB95 continues to give double results for Strong's number queries.

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