FSB should be called the FaithLESS Study Bible

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 11:31 PM

Ed, sorry your outing here has not proved so pleasant. Perhaps if your initial post had been worded more level-headedly...

The Logos forum is populated with Christians of all stripes, and also non-Christians.

There are those who hold to their theological convictions on these forums, and by virtue of their long standing and rapier wit, are able to push the boundaries of logic and civility, and insist on putting their stamp on things.

But if you hear the voice of Logos, and she barks and whimpers, well it isn't equivalent to the voice of the community, much less Logos. You got the voice of Logos from John Barry, an official employee. His response was measured and generally positive.

I, for one, would like to see less of ICC'ish slant in Logos' "broad evangelical" material. I share your concern about the theological and practical effects of some of that material. And, except for your initial overstatement, I quite agree with you, and feel that your feedback was within forum guidelines. One way to proceed next time: if you see something about FSB you feel is slanted one way, maybe it is good to make a specific, positive suggestion about what you would like included, either by email or in the relevant forum. Alternatively, you may want to avoid the resource altogether, and similarly advise those under your charge.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 12:43 AM

Ed:
I am, however, a bit disappointed how many people focused upon forum protocol instead of the point. But oh well.

Ed, assuming from your post count that you are comparatively new to the forums, your disappointment is understandable. Logos tried hard to make the forums work without guidelines, but a few people went so far over the line of acceptable behavior, that Logos implemented guidelines and began deleting objectionable posts or threads. You will note that during the same time period as this thread, another thread was deleted by Logos. It was in the context of trouble, that I chose to warn you of the potential for trouble that you were creating - not intentionally. If it had been intentional, I would have assumed that reminding you of the guidelines would be futile. I was personally pleased that those who persisted in addressing your point both represented multiple opinions and did not cause the thread to devolve.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 6:53 AM

Well, I'm always impressed that the pastoral writer completely forgot about ancient language expertise in the bishop/elder job description. Indeed a close reading seems to be suspicious of detail-oriented candidates, instead emphasizing teaching and leading talents. No Logos requirement (software that is).

Let's take a close look at the writer's guidance:

 'and foolish questions [Logos pricing], and genealogies [George's age], and contentions [questioning Macs] , and strivings about law [forum rules], stand away from -- for they are unprofitable [don't highlight good sales] and vain [like none of us]'

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 7:39 AM

While the original post may have started with some hyperbole, I appreciate Ed's humility as he has interacted with Forum users and the way he has commended the feedback he received from Logos employee(s). I thank you for drawing my attention to this matter. I often consult with the FSB notes and have developed the skill of filtering viewpoints that are consistent with or contrary to my own conclusions. While I personally am a little to the right of the author of the note in FSB in this text [Douglas Magnum], I can appreciate his attempt to identify what is claimed in Scripture, what it attested in extra-biblical records, and what the archeological finds (to date) seem to support. I have recommended the FSB to some people who view a 6-day creation or global flood as a Litmus test of truth and I would hate for them to disregard the whole work as "liberal lies" just because they disagree with notes on Genesis 6-8.Now I know that when I endorse the FSB I should qualify my endorsement with "while I don't agree with all that the notes claim, the format of a hyperlinked electronic study bible with layers of information is a valuable addition to your faith toolbox."

Ed, thank you for raising an issue that has clarified the way I will continue to recommend the FSB to others.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 7:42 AM

David Thomas:
I have recommended the FSB to some people who view a 6-day creation or global flood as a Litmus test of truth and I would hate for them to disregard the whole work as "liberal lies" just because they disagree with notes on Genesis 6-8.Now I know that when I endorse the FSB I should qualify my endorsement with "while I don't agree with all that the notes claim, the format of a hyperlinked electronic study bible with layers of information is a valuable addition to your faith toolbox."

I like your recommendation David. I usually tell others that you will not agree with everything but it is a good resource.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 11:33 AM

Lynden Williams:
I usually tell others that you will not agree with everything

Reminds me of a man who worked for me in the Navy whose father was a Seventh Day Baptist Pastor. He would often say, "My dad says that if two people agree on everything, at least one of them is not thinking." I always appreciated that pearl of wisdom. Geeked

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 11:36 AM

Jack Caviness:
He would often say, "My dad says that if two people agree on everything, at least one of them is not thinking.

Sound words.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 12:15 PM

Denise:

Let's take a close look at the writer's guidance:

 'and foolish questions [Logos pricing], and genealogies [George's age], and contentions [questioning Macs] , and strivings about law [forum rules], stand away from -- for they are unprofitable [don't highlight good sales] and vain [like none of us]'

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 12:18 PM

Jack Caviness:
if two people agree on everything, at least one of them is not thinking

Yes

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 12:24 PM

Jack Caviness:
if two people agree on everything, at least one of them is not thinking.
Yes

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 12:31 PM

Jack Caviness:

Lynden Williams:
I usually tell others that you will not agree with everything

Reminds me of a man who worked for me in the Navy whose father was a Seventh Day Baptist Pastor. He would often say, "My dad says that if two people agree on everything, at least one of them is not thinking." I always appreciated that pearl of wisdom. Geeked

I absolutely agree with you 100%.  Wink  Big Smile  Stick out tongue

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 30 2013 1:33 PM

George Somsel:

Jack Caviness:

Lynden Williams:
I usually tell others that you will not agree with everything

Reminds me of a man who worked for me in the Navy whose father was a Seventh Day Baptist Pastor. He would often say, "My dad says that if two people agree on everything, at least one of them is not thinking." I always appreciated that pearl of wisdom. Geeked

I absolutely agree with you 100%.  Wink  Big Smile  Stick out tongue

Of course, if he agrees with me, then he is obviously thinking straight Cool

On the other hand, I sometimes even disagree with myself Big Smile

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 6 2013 8:02 AM

Evidence that FSB is not FaithLESS...

3:16 God loved the world This verse presents a concise summary of the gospel message, tying the events of Jesus’ death to God’s love for the world He created. The statement is remarkable in its depiction of divine care for the entire world—not just His people Israel.

one and only Son See note on 1:14. The Greek term is monogenēs, meaning “one of a kind.”

believes in him See note on 1:7; see also note on 1:12.

eternal life See note on 1:4.

3:17 his Son John prefers to refer to Jesus as the “Son” and God as the “Father” (compare vv. 356:4017:1). Jesus’ reflection and representation of the Father is complete (14:9–10). As one sent by God, Jesus fully represented Him on earth (compare 13:1620).

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kentuckyliz | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 17 2013 9:55 AM

In traditional Christian morality, it is a sin to engage in rash judgment--to assume bad motives of the party you are criticizing.  The hyperbole of the title of this post is dangerously close to rash judgment.  Stating a criticism in a gentle, fair, and balanced way is a better approach for a Christian.  We will be accountable for all our words.

And yes, when I point a finger, three point back.  This is a lesson I am teaching myself first.

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Sean McIntyre | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 22 2014 10:12 PM

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