confusion about searching for suffixed pronouns in SESB Hebrew text

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Michael Burer | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Sep 17 2013 6:01 AM

The following search returns no hits, when it should return bunches:

When I search for only pronouns (@R) I get thousands of hits, but when I restrict it to suffixes (@RS) I get none. Can someone help me understand what's going on and how to find suffixed pronouns?

Thanks in advance!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 6:50 AM

This looks to be similar to this issue - note the comment at the end from Bradley.

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 7:03 AM

I am not sure what you mean:

Can a pronoun be suffixed? Can you give an concrete Hebrew example of what you mean?

Are you talking about interrogative or personal pronouns? if it is personal pronouns, are you talking about subject pronouns or object pronouns?

or may be you are talking about pronominal suffixes?

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 10:12 AM

Dave Hooton:

This looks to be similar to this issue - note the comment at the end from Bradley.

I'm not sure yet that it is the same underlying issue.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 10:16 AM

Michael Burer:

When I search for only pronouns (@R) I get thousands of hits, but when I restrict it to suffixes (@RS) I get none.

As far as I can tell (just looking at the raw data, and not being a Hebrew expert), there are no instances of the @RS morph code in BHS SESB 2.0, therefore the search always returns 0 results. (Likewise, there are no instances of @RD, either. I don't know why these options appear in the morph picker if they're not used.)

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Michael Burer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 12:03 PM

I want to find certain instances of verbs that have pronominal suffixes attached. However, the only way to indicate that as far as I can tell is by choosing "Pronouns" and then "Suffixed." It seems like that would locate them, but it doesn't.

Bradley, is this an error in the database or something else? When I search for the same code in the ESV, for example, it finds scads of them.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 4:00 PM

Michael Burer:
I want to find certain instances of verbs that have pronominal suffixes attached.

The BHS/WHM 4.2 database seems to provide this in the way you are asking e.g. look at Verbs.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 4:21 PM

Dave Hooton:

Michael Burer:
I want to find certain instances of verbs that have pronominal suffixes attached.

The BHS/WHM 4.2 database seems to provide this in the way you are asking e.g. look at Verbs.

BHS/WIVU allows you to search for verb with attached pronomial suffix using @V BEFORE  0 WORDS @RS. It won't be accurate in ESV because it often splits compound words.

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 7:23 PM

can you give us the results you got so that we can compare?

I tried with AFAT: @V BEFORE 0 WORDS @RB

I got 14520 results in 5435 verses

I suspect there is some false positive results ...

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 7:33 PM

WITH BHS: @V BEFORE 0 words: @RS

I got 14440 results in 5396 verses

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Edwin Sully PAYET | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 7:39 PM

WITH LEXHAM HEBREW BIBLE: @V BEFORE 0 words: @RS

I got 14005 results in 5254 verses

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 18 2013 12:26 PM

I get the same results in those three bibles. Why do you say "false positives" in AFAT?

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