Way Too Many Updates
I know we can wait to do the updates - but seriously there have been two already this week Apple & Microsoft don't update that often. I understand it is our option to not update - but can they at least be batched weekly or bi-monthly?
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Welcome Mitch to the forum, you can disable automatic updates: go to tools, program settings and you will find this option and update it manually whenever you wish to update by typing in the commend bar "update"
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Welcome to the forums Mitch! [:)]
Mitch Harper said:I know we can wait to do the updates - but seriously there have been two already this week Apple & Microsoft don't update that often. I understand it is our option to not update - but can they at least be batched weekly or bi-monthly?
Updates come in the form of resource and program. Since Logos provides both, you will have updates more often. Most recently there were VERY large resource updates, and unfortunately there was a problem with some of those updates which needed to be republished.
By the way, the forums are a good place to learn about these things.
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Agree with you Mitch.
But as Wild Eagle indicates, you can turn off the updates.
That's what I do.
Mine will likely remain off into November. In the meantime, no purchases from Logos, but that's good for my Christmas budget. Well, almost. I just got my new Accordance which allows me to select what I want on my PC and what I want on my iPod. Pretty radical idea.
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If I see updates, I get excited; something got improved in the program. Comparing to other software Logos seems to put more effort behind the scene.... Thank you Logos for constantly improving software, resources [Y]
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Denise said:
I just got my new Accordance which allows me to select what I want on my PC and what I want on my iPod. Pretty radical idea.
My Logos 5 allows me to choose what to download on to my iPads and hide resources on my desktop/laptop. Radical idea, isn't it? [:)]
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Ah, ST. Love those apples and oranges. Yummy. But cc time, no $$ for Mother Logos.
Constant updates is probably going to be the end of Logos for me unless there's a libronix version (as there was this am for Ancient Prophets). I just don't need my cellular budget constantly eaten up by useless updates (resources).
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I understand that we can turn off the updates - but what would be the use of a dynamic program? At that point, there are several static programs that would rival Logos
What I am asking is can Logos be more pragmatic in offering updates. I love the fact that you are updating the program - Is 1 update a week too much to ask?
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Wild Eagle - glad you are excited about the updates and see them in that manner. I am always excited about the updates- just would like to see them batched
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Mitch Harper said:
Wild Eagle - glad you are excited about the updates and see them in that manner. I am always excited about the updates- just would like to see them batched
The only way I see you can get satisfaction is to go the manual updating route. Logos could hold everything to once per week but this would not be desirable to everyone. Logos has customers around the world and they have differing schedules, time-zones, and data plans. To accommodate the differing needs it is best to have updates always available for immediate download and allow each user to determine for themselves how they want to receive them.
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Speaking of Microsoft ... why can't Logos do updates the same way Microsoft does them?
1. Show you a list of items that need to be updated.
2. Let you choose which updates to install.
3. Let you choose to postpone your updating to a later time.
4. Let you uninstall an update to a previous version if you don't like the new version.
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Mitch Harper said:
Wild Eagle - glad you are excited about the updates and see them in that manner. I am always excited about the updates- just would like to see them batched
I think the best solution would be to keep things as-is, but offer a batching option for those who want it. In other words, automatic updates gets turned off (as everyone is suggesting), but then the program goes and checks at the interval you specify (weekly, monthly, whatever). So it's not truly batched, but automatic updates gets turned on at a convenient interval for you.
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FWIW, I agree with the "like Microsoft" way for the most part (they went through some humps on this issue). Let the user choose to Always Auto Install, or Notify Only. Then group the updates into categories (we don't need to cherry pick through a long list of resources) like App update, Data Set update, Resource update (updating existing resources), New Resources, etc. Dependencies flagged as mandatory when they cross categories. Each group should provide Details so we can optionally see what specific resources will be downloaded, how large the download is, and possibly an estimated indexing time or indicator (eg. short, typical, long, see ya next week).
EDIT: I just realized I've contradicted one of my wishlist items for L6. We do need granular control over what resources are installed on each device, to accommodate smaller devices: notebooks, tablets, wearable computers, etc. However, that should still mesh somewhat with the above.
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Randy W. Sims said:
... Let the user choose to Always Auto Install, or Notify Only. Then group the updates into categories...
The NOTIFY ONLY option with general Info: DOWNLOAD SIZE etc, would be great!
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Super Tramp - i understand your idea, however Apple and Microsoft handle it the way I am suggesting and their reach is incredibly farther than Logos. I'm really not trying to re-invent the wheel here, just asking them to put a couple of them together to reduce frequency.
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Mitch Harper said:
Apple and Microsoft handle it the way I am suggesting and their reach is incredibly farther than Logos.
Apple and Microsoft do not push updates nearly as frequent as Logos. I get an update daily, sometimes as many as three in one day. Last week I had one download that updated 170 resources. I also had another download that was 2GB+ in size and a repeat of same this week. The Logos program tries to sync with the cloud every time it boots up. I would welcome a choice of when it downloads but I still prefer it default to automatic unless otherwise chosen.
Mitch Harper said:just asking them to put a couple of them together to reduce frequency.
This raises a question others have mentioned. It appears that if Logos has multiple downloads to do it does them one at a time. This also is the way it appears to index. If I have some Vyrso books to download, some resources to update, and a Logos program update, I will suffer three separate downloads and indexing sessions. If this is by necessity it would not help to let several downloads pile up in the cue.
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Mitch Harper said:
Apple and Microsoft handle it the way I am suggesting
Do they really? I don't think so. Microsoft and Apple provide you with an OS service release, and you can choose to install it or not. Those companies providing updates to other Microsoft & Apple apps (or drivers) isn't a good comparison.
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Mitch Harper said:
What I am asking is can Logos be more pragmatic in offering updates. I love the fact that you are updating the program - Is 1 update a week too much to ask?
We had a couple of internal mistakes this week (detailed on other threads) that caused so many updates (both program updates and resource updates) to be available in multiple batches.
I apologise for the inconvenience and want to let you know that we don't plan to make this a common occurrence.
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I'd like a button to press to do the updates. A bit tedious to type in a command that is frequently used.
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I have a button. I believe i had to type the command into the box, and then drag it to the grey space beyond the command box.
Its been a while since I set that up. Perhaps someone has a different memory of how that works... Either way I'm happy to have it.
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mab said:
I'd like a button to press to do the updates. A bit tedious to type in a command that is frequently used.
abondservant said:I have a button. I believe i had to type the command into the box, and then drag it to the grey space beyond the command box.
Correct:.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
We had a couple of internal mistakes this week (detailed on other threads) that caused so many updates (both program updates and resource updates) to be available in multiple batches.
I apologise for the inconvenience and want to let you know that we don't plan to make this a common occurrence.
Thanks for the explanation and the reassurance that frequent updates is not the plan moving forward.
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I use Logos on a lot of computers, have a larger library, and really feel the effect of the updates....especially on my i7 pc, which for some unknown reason really runs Logos5 slowly. If I apply the update and it starts indexing, I am unable to use Logos effectively until I pause indexing or just wait a night.
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Ward Walker said:
I am unable to use Logos effectively until I pause indexing or just wait a night.
My laptop indexes every night. It makes for a nice nightlight. [|-)] ambiance [S]
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Ward Walker said:
which for some unknown reason really runs Logos5 slowly.
Ward, have you tried rebuilding the index. I have 5731 including PB. When I add a resource it indexes rather quickly. I do not have a speed demon by any yardstick.
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Ward Walker said:
I use Logos on a lot of computers, have a larger library, and really feel the effect of the updates....especially on my i7 pc, which for some unknown reason really runs Logos5 slowly.
Try de-fragmenting the hard drive (don't do it on an SSD) with a tool like Defraggler which lists the files badly affected and you can choose which ones to defrag (or defrag all).
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Ward Walker said:
Before buying a lot of resources, consider that they will have an effect on performance and will increase your probability of resource updates.
Perhaps this is true for some set ups but the other side of the coin is that you have more resources in your library that you could use.
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Ward, your comment was funny. 'Be careful not to buy books from Logos ... they'll update them!' Please don't be offended, but now, that's my big problem. I like my sort-of big library, but I don't want the updates (we're on cellular when in the US; high-speed in Japan). And the longer I wait not to update, the worse the problem gets! I shudder to think what will happen if we turn on the Logos internet setting.
But luckily, thanks to you, I figured out the obvious solution. Remove the books from my PC, so Logos won't update them!! After I did that, it dawned on me that I could further reduce program updates too by ....
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Denise said:
But luckily, thanks to you, I figured out the obvious solution. Remove the books from my PC, so Logos won't update them!! After I did that, it dawned on me that I could further reduce program updates too by ....
You are a master at sarcasm Denise. [:)]
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I heard Japan was relatively generous in speed and bandwidth compared to North America... or is that just hype?
Denise said:Ward, your comment was funny. 'Be careful not to buy books from Logos ... they'll update them!' Please don't be offended, but now, that's my big problem. I like my sort-of big library, but I don't want the updates (we're on cellular when in the US; high-speed in Japan). And the longer I wait not to update, the worse the problem gets! I shudder to think what will happen if we turn on the Logos internet setting.
But luckily, thanks to you, I figured out the obvious solution. Remove the books from my PC, so Logos won't update them!! After I did that, it dawned on me that I could further reduce program updates too by ....
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Optic fiber. And pretty common among homes.
We cut back in the US on carriers, so 'our way or the highway' like Logos and Chromebook will slowly be dumped. Chromebook's into the dumpster in a couple weeks. Their printing solution was even worse.
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I like the frequent updates. It gives a feeling that something is done at Logos.
But it would be nice to have some info what is new in each updated book or software update.
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Perhaps Logos and Chromebook are just too ahead of the curve. I remember that when Amazon Web Services first came out, the concept of a cloud was too risky to even consider in a 'responsible' corporate environment. Today, every corporate IT team talks about a cloud strategy.
I find it great that God's providence has allowed the Christians of today (primarily in North America, to be honest) to have access to various methods of studying His word using technology.
Denise said:Optic fiber. And pretty common among homes.
We cut back in the US on carriers, so 'our way or the highway' like Logos and Chromebook will slowly be dumped. Chromebook's into the dumpster in a couple weeks. Their printing solution was even worse.
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Ward Walker said:
I use Logos on a lot of computers, have a larger library, and really feel the effect of the updates....especially on my i7 pc, which for some unknown reason really runs Logos5 slowly. If I apply the update and it starts indexing, I am unable to use Logos effectively until I pause indexing or just wait a night. Before buying a lot of resources, consider that they will have an effect on performance and will increase your probability of resource updates.
Buy SSD, its not wise to use i7 on HDD. What's the point to use fast CPU with slow HDD... Its like to use Ferrari on a small bumpy road...
I dont event notice indexing on my i7 with SSD, works flawlessly
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Wild Eagle said:
I dont event notice indexing on my i7 with SSD, works flawlessly
I have often said this in the past. I could not believe the difference it made.
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And for a non-powerhouse system that you primarily intend to run for Logos and Office, you do not even need to get the latest and greatest SSD. Even last gen ones that drop in price will be a massive difference from your current HDD (caveat: unless you have a hybrid like Momentus XT)
Bruce Dunning said:Wild Eagle said:I dont event notice indexing on my i7 with SSD, works flawlessly
I have often said this in the past. I could not believe the difference it made.
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