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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 11 2014 5:20 AM

Wake up, Windows Phone is here to stay. There is absolutely no logic in thinking otherwise. Professionals are going to switch to the windows phone simply because it links effortlessly with their primary business OS and software provider. Please stop dragging your feet LOGOS you are falling behind.  Logos 5 is already available on the Windows 8 platform how much more work can there be to making it Windows Phone compatible?

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 6:39 AM

I don't have a dog in this particular hunt, but Bob P. has said it is unlikely they will invest much (if anything) in a platform with less than 10% market share. From a business perspective that makes perfect sense. I did a quick google search and found this data recently reported

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2014/1/comScore_Reports_November_2013_US_Smartphone_Subscriber_Market_Share

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 9:00 AM

It only makes perfect business sense if it be an upstart company with no history. If LOGOS is going to use the logic that this is strictly a economic issue for them then for those of us who have supported Logos from the beginning will also have to consider strongly the economics for us to continue purchasing their product which is pricey enough already.  For me there will be no more expenditures for Logos products until this issue is resolved.  To suggest that just because the windows phone platform does not have a huge portion of the market is not material now, knowing the pattern of Microsoft in the past of seeing products thru to success. Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:02 AM

The problem, Richard, is that the history of windows phone has been one of complete and abject failure. There is no signs to point to a change in thier positioning either. If Logos chooses to invest in that direction, good for you. My advice? Don't hold your breath. Why not get an Android or iPhone instead?

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:19 AM

While Windows Phone is about 11% share of the market in the enterprise, it's about 3% of the consumer and total market, and shrinking.

But what may be a bigger sign, is who is spending money - 83% of online mobile purchases this Christmas season came from iOS devices. That's huge.

Business enterprise don't buy Logos, consumers do. And Logos wants customers who will spend money.

And the story of Microsoft being successful till the end no matter what is now myth. Microsoft Office market share in the consumer space has dropped from 95% to 20% since 2004. They are just not a player in the consumer space any more. Logos is NOT an enterprise product.

There will be people that are upset by the strategy; some customers will leave, but many more will arrive due to Android and iOS support that is better than everyone else. Some feature that 25% of the Android/iOS market buys is a better investment than an investment in Windows Phone. I can't think anyone rationally would make a different decision.

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:33 AM

Because Android and IPhone are not compatible with the most used software which is windows based.  I had an Android and it is not nearly the phone that the Nokia 928 is.  If you want a toy get an IPhone or IPad.

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:42 AM

83% is huge until you start to breakdown the number as it relates to the purchasers, ie., age, desired usage of phone, financial status and all the other aspects.  The raw percentage alone does not reflect the whole story.  I sure hope that Logos is not in this just for the money.  As I stated before if you want a toy that is one dementional get an Apple product.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:43 AM

OK. I'll play along. What "windows based" software is compatible with the windows phone? 

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:45 AM

OFFICE 365

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 10:52 AM

Don Awalt:

... Microsoft Office market share in the consumer space has dropped from 95% to 20% since 2004. They are just not a player in the consumer space any more.

Don, Not trying to start anything nor dispute the points made on the phone topic nor Logos' strategy, but I think you may have misstated something. The article with chart you link in doesn't reference Microsoft Office as the source of data that I can see.  It doesn't seem to mention anything specific, just "consumer space".  The author even mentions that he doesn't know what the data is.  That seems to be a little wide open to me.

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 11:08 AM

While it is nice in some respects to have all this discussion it would be even nicer if a party from Logos who has the authority to comment would give us some insight into the real thinking of Logos on this subject so we can move forward with an informed bases for keepping Logos or looking for an alternative that is into supporting their whole client base.

Big Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 12:01 PM

Richard W. Healy, Jr:
it would be even nicer if a party from Logos who has the authority to comment would give us some insight into the real thinking of Logos on this subject

They have. The answer is that they will keep an eye on it. If you are really thinking about leaving Logos over your Nokia phone, you have drunk more MSFT Kool-Aid than I have the Apple Cider. Stick out tongue

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 12:51 PM

Cute!

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 12:58 PM

alabama24:

 ... you have drunk more MSFT Kool-Aid than I have the Apple Cider. 

Ha!  LOL!  That's funny.

I thought I remember Bob having a lengthy post on this very subject, but I can't seem to find it.  He walked through everything in a clear way.  Does anyone remember where that is?  Or was I dreaming?

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 1:32 PM

Steve:

Ha!  LOL!  That's funny.

I thought I remember Bob having a lengthy post on this very subject, but I can't seem to find it.  He walked through everything in a clear way.  Does anyone remember where that is?  Or was I dreaming?

I know Bob did address this issue in great detail but I am not sure where that post is. To be honest in my original response I was just trying to help the OP better understand what I believe is Logos position is on the subject. I also provided some recent information that indicates there is no significant changes in market share distribution as it relates to Windows compared to other Mobile OS's.

From a business perspective I understand and support Logos decision. As a customer I would be concerned if Logos began spending time and resources in order to provide everything, everybody wants, on every platform they want or might use. I am sure that if we wake up tomorrow and windows has suddenly overtaken ios then logos would cease development and improvement of the ios apps. Sorry Bama, I know my hypothetical may be interpreted as blasphemy for some.Wink

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 2:15 PM

I did find a small post by "Bob" over a year ago on another thread more supportive of the windows phone platform which all future post by me will be directed to.  The post by "Bob" in my opinion was very weak and not responsive to the issue.  That being said,thanks to those with constructive comments and to the others just thanks for your input. 

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 5:13 PM

Richard W. Healy, Jr:
Windows Phone is here to stay.

That's what the BlackBerry users said. I'm glad we didn't invest in developing for that platform -- we almost did (and it had more users than Windows Phone at that time). :-)

I would love for Windows Phone to be a strong contender. I was on Windows Phone when it was Windows CE; I used my Windows-based phone for a year after the iPhone was released, before giving up. Since then Microsoft has completely redone the platform (breaking all previous Windows-phone apps) at least twice.

My Windows-loving credentials are impeccable. I attended the Windows 1.0 developer's conference. (Yes, 1.0.) I was a software development intern on the Windows 3.0 development team. I had the Windows for Pen Computing SDK 20 years before the iPad was introduced. I bought the first Surface. (I used it this morning. Then left it at home, taking my iPad. Because Ballmer was wrong to say Surface could make it without a cellular data connection.)

We aren't dragging our feet at Logos. We're facing the reality that Microsoft dropped the ball / dragged its feet / couldn't put together a coherent strategy. Apple won this one, and Android is getting the scraps. (People who won't pay Apple's price / hate Apple / want to be different / etc.)

There's nothing left for Windows Phone.

But Microsoft has pulled out a win from behind before. If they do it again, we'll be there to support it.

Windows Phone may be here to stay, but it's not a sure bet. To say 'there is no logic in thinking otherwise' is inaccurate. The logic is Windows CE, Pocket PC 2000, Windows Mobile, Windows Mobile 6.5, Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 7.5, and Windows Phone 8. And Zune. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile for a history of falling market share and confusing / changing / incompatible strategies.

-- Bob

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 6:10 PM

I moved to windows phone from iPhone a year ago and I am glad that I did, it is great and much better than apple. 

Saying that I may well move to android in a year as windows phone is not getting the app traction that I need, but if I do move I will miss windows phone as it is such a great platform.

I selfishly wish that Logos would develop for windows phone but if Logos was my company I would not do so, it is hard enough developing for two mobile platforms, let alone three.

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 11 2014 6:14 PM

Where is Blackberry now? Bankrupt I believe.  If all you say is true why did you even bother with an app for Surface? It appears to me your mind is made up about Windows Phone based on looking at just the failures rather than weighing them against the success of Microsoft. That's a really balanced business approach. I can live without Logos on my phone but rest assured it will not continue receiving the recommendations I have given in the past.

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 12 2014 5:32 PM

Interesting there was an article on Windows 9 that came out yesterday, by Paul Thurrott, one of the big Windows gurus. Interesting in the article, he paints it as a pretty important upgrade because of the current state of Windows 8 - which reinforces Bob's assessment that it's not worth investment now, if they can turn it around to the point the market accepts it and it builds market share, great. You can read the article at this link, or here is the Windows 8 part:

"But Threshold (next release of Windows) is more important than any specific updates. Windows 8 is tanking harder than Microsoft is comfortable discussing in public, and the latest release, Windows 8.1, which is a substantial and free upgrade with major improvements over the original release, is in use on less than 25 million PCs at the moment. That's a disaster, and Threshold needs to strike a better balance between meeting the needs of over a billion traditional PC users while enticing users to adopt this new Windows on new types of personal computing devices. In short, it needs to be everything that Windows 8 is not."

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