Is the Exodus historical?

16 The word of the Lord came to me: ²Mortal, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, ³and say, Thus says the Lord God to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite, and your mother a Hittite.
Ezek 16.1-3

Ugarit is occasionally mentioned in texts from other sites (Mari, el-Amarna). In these sources, Ugaritians belong to the "Amorite" element since they bear "Amorite" names and, in the 18th century b.c., they maintain cultural relations with other "Amorite" kingdoms.

p. 10

This would seem to imply that Israel's birth was in the land of Canaan. Additionally, no archaeological evidence has be discovered to support an exodus from Egypt with a 40 year wandering in the desert despite the fact that smaller groups have left evidence of their passing. It would appear that the Exodus was more of a theologoumenon than an historical reality.

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Veli Voipio

Between Abraham and Solomon the phrase 40 years seems to mean one generation, in average 25 years. Currently I am trying to find more info about a possible cool climate time between 1159 and 1140 BC connected to the Hekla eruption. That would be a good time to travel in the desert, and it is 19 years long. This would mean that the exodus started when the reign of Ramesses 4 started

NB.Mick

It would appear that the Exodus was more of a theologoumenon than an historical reality.

It would appear to me that your post is either stretching the bounds of the forum rules or clearly overstepping them. Maybe the heat of youth age - fanned by the joy of making new discoveries in an old text - can be attributed until someone reaches 40 years of age, though.... [:P]

William Gabriel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564837#Comment_564837

It would appear that the Exodus was more of a theologoumenon than an historical reality.

It would appear to me that your post is either stretching the bounds of the forum rules or clearly overstepping them. Maybe the heat of youth age - fanned by the joy of making new discoveries in an old text - can be attributed until someone reaches 40 years of age, though....

Does appear to be somewhere near the line....so naturally I'll feed into it. I recall a story about historians/archaeologists mocking Bible-believing Christians because the Bible refers to the Hittites. As far as the world was concerned, the Hittites were a fictitious group...until archaeology eventually found evidence of the people. 1. The field of archaeology is not complete; we don't know everything there is to know. 2. I find it very tenuous to argue from silence when it comes to archaeology.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564837#Comment_564837

It would appear to me that your post is either stretching the bounds of the forum rules or clearly overstepping them. Maybe the heat of youth age - fanned by the joy of making new discoveries in an old text - can be attributed until someone reaches 40 years of age, though....

It would appear to me that an appeal to forum rules is the last refuge of those who have no adequate reply.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564840#Comment_564840

The best I can say is that unless the bible gives some indication that a particular pericope is to be taken as less than literal, we should accept it as literal.

THAT and the argument from silence is one of the weakest arguments out there.

Finally if the veracity of a text must be questioned, I would sooner question the veracity of the ugaritic text than the text of exodus.

Maybe thats my theological bent shining through.

William Gabriel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564839#Comment_564839

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564840#Comment_564840

It would appear to me that an appeal to forum rules is the last refuge of those who have no adequate reply.

It would appear to me that an appeal to the forum rules is an appeal to the forum rules when someone is clearly trying to cross the line. There are several adequate replies - agreeing, disagreeing or refusing to be drawn into an OT debate.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564843#Comment_564843

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564848#Comment_564848

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

Somewhat slower than a starship, but still faster than walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8QXU8TwjmQ

Edit: forgot to make the link active.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564840#Comment_564840

It would appear to me that your post is either stretching the bounds of the forum rules or clearly overstepping them. Maybe the heat of youth age - fanned by the joy of making new discoveries in an old text - can be attributed until someone reaches 40 years of age, though....

It would appear to me that an appeal to forum rules is the last refuge of those who have no adequate reply.

True, I don't have an adequate reply. The point of my post was that we might not need to make this a discussion thread about the historical truth or falseness of the exodus - I do not even want to reply here.

Maybe Faithlife group "christian debate" could need some food for discussion, it seems rather quiet there.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564848#Comment_564848

I suspect George is non-chicken-cooping.

But I'm impressed with the archaeological record that places Egyptian military well situated in Jezreel about the time the Israelites showed up. Sort of like 'come home to mamma'.

But all clues point to the mines south of Edom ... Egyptian managed periodically, wilderness environment, geographical siting per Elijah (the one who will return), and answers why the highlands could be easily be settled (miners expert in water collection techniques). The tiny early iron-age villages are a bit of headache, though.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564853#Comment_564853

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

Somewhat slower than a starship, but still faster than walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8QXU8TwjmQ

Edit: forgot to make the link active.

Not "Beam me up, Scotty"?

Dan Francis

I believe the Exodus is historical, there is plenty of evidence that our tractional beliefs may be wrong about the path... The Real Mount Sinai Found in Saudi Arabia - YouTube IF this is true we are searching for evidence in all the wrong places.

-Dan

William Gabriel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564848#Comment_564848

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

They weren't simply wandering around like a normal nomad group would be--they had the support of the Lord who sustained them (and apparently their possessions too) through miracles and providence.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564865#Comment_564865

I believe the Exodus is historical, there is plenty of evidence that our tractional beliefs may be wrong about the path... The Real Mount Sinai Found in Saudi Arabia - YouTube IF this is true we are searching for evidence in all the wrong places.

-Dan

Even if you locate Mt Sinai in Arabia, they still need to get there which means crossing Sinai.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564866#Comment_564866

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

They weren't simply wandering around like a normal nomad group would be--they had the support of the Lord who sustained them (and apparently their possessions too) through miracles and providence.

Ah, the good ole "Deus ex machine."

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564859#Comment_564859

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

Somewhat slower than a starship, but still faster than walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8QXU8TwjmQ

Edit: forgot to make the link active.

Not "Beam me up, Scotty"?

That would have been better.

This may have to suffice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eDfrMgFQM

William Gabriel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564874#Comment_564874

Also consider Deut 8:2-4. This was not a mundane "nomadship".

What is a "mundane 'nomadship' "?

They weren't simply wandering around like a normal nomad group would be--they had the support of the Lord who sustained them (and apparently their possessions too) through miracles and providence.

Ah, the good ole "Deus ex machine."

Yeah, I guess the Bible is just a divine comedy.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564846#Comment_564846

or refusing to be drawn into an OT debate.

[:#]

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564883#Comment_564883

Given the topic at hand, some may be interested in watching a lecture a few years ago by James Hoffmeier entitled "The Exodus In Light of Recent Archaeological and Geological Works in North Sinai."

Link's here, but you need to scroll down a ways to get to the video: http://www.laniertheologicallibrary.org/videos/

Its from May 21, 2011. Here is the video description: The Israelite exodus from Egypt has been the subject of scholarly interest and investigation since the dawn of Egyptology two centuries ago. In this lecture, Hoffmeier reviews the background information from ancient Egypt and focuses on new geological and archaeological data from the work of the North Sinai Archaeological Project, which Hoffmeier directed. When the results of this exciting work are combined with other recent and ongoing excavations in North Sinai, a compelling picture emerges about the route of the exodus and the location of the Re(e)d Sea.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564887#Comment_564887

Hoffmeier gave another lecture at the same library last weekend on a similar topic again, but the video isn't up yet. Keep an eye on the website I just linked to and it should be up in a week or two.

Here's the topic they discussed:

Moses Did Not Sleep Here!
A Critical Look at Some Sensational Exodus and Mt. Sinai Theories

Over the past 10-15 years there have been a number of sensational ideas advanced for where and how the Red Sea crossing occurred as the Hebrews departed Egypt and where Mt. Sinai is located. Many of these are known from popular TV programs on the History, Learning, Discovery and National Geographic Channels. Some of these theories, such as the one that has the Israelites crossing the Gulf of Aqaba and landing in Saudi Arabia will be examined biblically, archaeologically (Hoffmeier) and geologically (Moshier). Was Mt. Sinai a volcano? Is there any basis for identifying Mt. Sinai with the traditional site, Gebel Musa? These and other questions will be treated, using film clips, slides and maps.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564887#Comment_564887

location of the Re(e)d Sea.

"God drowned all Pharaoh's army in three inches of water!"

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564885#Comment_564885

or refusing to be drawn into an OT debate.

Wow this is tempting to join in but I'm going to join you instead Super.Tramp.

Eric Weiss

16 The word of the Lord came to me: ²Mortal, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, ³and say, Thus says the Lord God to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite, and your mother a Hittite.
Ezek 16.1-3

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Ugarit is occasionally mentioned in texts from other sites (Mari, el-Amarna). In these sources, Ugaritians belong to the "Amorite" element since they bear "Amorite" names and, in the 18th century b.c., they maintain cultural relations with other "Amorite" kingdoms.

p. 10

This would seem to imply that Israel's birth was in the land of Canaan. Additionally, no archaeological evidence has be discovered to support an exodus from Egypt with a 40 year wandering in the desert despite the fact that smaller groups have left evidence of their passing. It would appear that the Exodus was more of a theologoumenon than an historical reality.

“I am YHWH your God, who didn't bring you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Nevertheless, you shall have no other gods besides me.... Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as YHWH your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to YHWH your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. Remember that you really weren't slaves in Egypt and that YHWH your God didn't bring you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Nevertheless, YHWH your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."

Mark Pritchard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564885#Comment_564885

Hilarious

Dean J

This might be a good place to say . . .

perhaps Logos could get the works of Peter James (Centuries of Darkness) and David Rohl (Pharaohs and Kings etc).

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564908#Comment_564908

“I am YHWH your God, who didn't bring you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Nevertheless, you shall have no other gods besides me.... Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as YHWH your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to YHWH your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. Remember that you really weren't slaves in Egypt and that YHWH your God didn't bring you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Nevertheless, YHWH your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."

Or more in keeping with the etiquette of argumentation (show your opponent's view in its most favorable interpretation) - not as funny but ..

“I am YHWH your God, who brought you out of what in your collective memory you call Egypt, out of the land of oppression which in your collective memory you recall as slavery - at least that will be the translation in 3+ millenia.. You shall have no other gods besides me (in fact, I'll eventually teach you there are no other gods).... Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as YHWH your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to YHWH your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. Invoke your collective memory that you were slaves in Egypt and that YHWH your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm in at least a metaphorical and experiential sense. YHWH your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."

Edit: Advantage is that it recognizes that precise geographical locations and social structures are not really known 3000+ years later. It's a matter of language, culture and politics changing ... and our understanding of related words changing with them.

Can we have more historical linguistic resources in Logos?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564929#Comment_564929

Careful exegetical review would suggest that 'mighty' hand (and very likely the 'outstretched' arm) was God's right side (yesterday's forum lesson). And since right and south are almost synonymous in hebrew (God's language of course), there's clear proof of the location of the watery battle with Pharoah's hosts.

Robert M. Warren

Your origin and your birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite, and your mother a Hittite.

Isn't this the prophetic equivalent of "Yo mama eats kitty litter"?

no archaeological evidence has be[en] discovered to support an exodus from Egypt

Isn't this arguing from archaeological silence?

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564873#Comment_564873

Even if you locate Mt Sinai in Arabia, they still need to get there which means crossing Sinai.

Yes but if you consider it part of Egypt it is a race across it.

-Dan

PS: I am not dogmatic about this even if the story is not true it is the truth in the story that is important to my faith.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564962#Comment_564962

Isn't this arguing from archaeological silence?

Let's put it this way: If you say you've lived in a particular area for 40 years (or make that 25 for one generation), wouldn't you think that the inability to find any evidence that you had been there suspicious—even when there's evidence for the presence of others?

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564982#Comment_564982

There are many things that were they to be said outside of scripture that would make one suspicious. Yet since they are in scripture, I do indeed believe.

To name a few, walking on water, resurrection from the dead, and virtually the entirety of the book of revelation.

But again, since scripture says them, I believe them.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564980#Comment_564980

Even if you locate Mt Sinai in Arabia, they still need to get there which means crossing Sinai.

Yes but if you consider it part of Egypt it is a race across it.

-Dan

PS: I am not dogmatic about this even if the story is not true it is the truth in the story that is important to my faith.

A race?

19 On the third new moon after the Israelites had gone out of the land of Egypt, on that very day, they came into the wilderness of Sinai.

Quite a dash. A dash of snails?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564984#Comment_564984

Here in Sedona, we like to go walking before the sun comes up and begins cooking us.

I happily point in the direction of the last time we saw where the sun came up, and say "Only in Sedona does the sun come in the north!"

My spouse sighs, and says "No, that's east. We discussed this yesterday."

Luckily I have my apologetic skills along on the walk, and point out "Yes, but you're arguing from silence. North could have moved. Maybe the archaeologists will find that out? How can we know for sure?"

I feel confident in my logic, since surprisingly there's many here that point to north, where east normally would be. So obviously my argument is a good one.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564984#Comment_564984

A race?

Ex 19.1 NRSV">
19 On the third new moon after the Israelites had gone out of the land of Egypt, on that very day, they came into the wilderness of Sinai.

Quite a dash. A dash of snails?

It is to 40 years in the desert... or maybe they had people like me, i take 2 light cycles or more to cross a city street....

-Dan

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565012#Comment_565012

A race?

Ex 19.1 NRSV">
19 On the third new moon after the Israelites had gone out of the land of Egypt, on that very day, they came into the wilderness of Sinai.

Quite a dash. A dash of snails?

It is to 40 years in the desert... or maybe they had people like me, i take 2 light cycles or more to cross a city street....

-Dan

The point is that it took 2 full months to arrive at Sinai whether you consider that to be on the Sinai peninsula or in Arabia. That means that they would have left some evidence of having been there.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565033#Comment_565033

AS I said for me the truth told in the story is more important to me than a proof of it historically happening.

-Dan

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565043#Comment_565043

AS I said for me the truth told in the story is more important to me than a proof of it historically happening.

-Dan

On that we can agree.

RGP

Poor George,

I see that you are (with certain others) continuing to spout your rationalistic nonsense as if it were the Truth, how in the world can you find TRUTH in a lie, if you deny as you continually do the historical accuracy of Gods Word. If the bible is not historically and prophetically accurate that means whoever wrote the Bible told LIES, please inform us how you can find truth in lies.

If I were you I would close the bible and never read it again, on what basis can you trust anything that the bible says? it is not something you can pick and choose from as it suits your own mind, either you believe God is capable of giving us a complete and perfect Revelation of His mind and preserving to our day the same or you don't, if as it seems you don't please, please try some other past time and quit troubling those who have the God given faith to actually believe what the Bible says.

"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."2 Pet 1: 19-21

The apostle Paul certainly believed in the historical accuracy and reality of the Exodus, in 1 Corinthians 10:-

"Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies ewere scattered in the wilderness.Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did,and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written forour admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come."

And again the writer to the Hebrews in chapter 3:-

"And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,

Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,

In the day of trial in the wilderness,

Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,

And saw My works forty years.

Therefore I was angry with that generation,

And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,

And they have not known My ways.’

So I swore in My wrath,

‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

And again:-

"For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

What do we do with the writers of the New Testament do we throw them overboard also?

I really wish Logos would stop these threads, it really is disappointing that we find such unedifying babble still going on, for so long the forum rules have not been adhered to while some continue to attack the veracity of Gods Holy Word, with impunity.

Robert.

Ben

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565116#Comment_565116

The New Testament writers inherited a tradition about the past (as does everyone), which they interpreted from within a 2nd Temple worldview. There's no warrant for the claim that these passages establish the historicity of the Exodus as written in Exodus. That's not an "unbelieving" position, but one that actually tries to read the Bible contextually.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565116#Comment_565116

Poor George,

Robert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euq8Z4l6Iwk

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564929#Comment_564929

“I am YHWH your God, who didn't bring you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Nevertheless, you shall have no other gods besides me.... Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as YHWH your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to YHWH your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. Remember that you really weren't slaves in Egypt and that YHWH your God didn't bring you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Nevertheless, YHWH your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."

Or more in keeping with the etiquette of argumentation (show your opponent's view in its most favorable interpretation) - not as funny but ..

“I am YHWH your God, who brought you out of what in your collective memory you call Egypt, out of the land of oppression which in your collective memory you recall as slavery - at least that will be the translation in 3+ millenia.. You shall have no other gods besides me (in fact, I'll eventually teach you there are no other gods).... Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as YHWH your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to YHWH your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. Invoke your collective memory that you were slaves in Egypt and that YHWH your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm in at least a metaphorical and experiential sense. YHWH your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."

Edit: Advantage is that it recognizes that precise geographical locations and social structures are not really known 3000+ years later. It's a matter of language, culture and politics changing ... and our understanding of related words changing with them.

Can we have more historical linguistic resources in Logos?

I'm actually not arguing with George about the (a)historicity of the Exodus, just pointing out a possible implication of the Exodus being false. [H]

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565116#Comment_565116

<snip>

I really wish Logos would stop these threads, it really is disappointing that we find such unedifying babble still going on...

Robert.

This response might be viewed as more of the same.

Robert G. Mettler

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565144#Comment_565144

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565168#Comment_565168

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565143#Comment_565143

I'm actually not arguing with George about the (a)historicity of the Exodus, just pointing out a possible implication of the Exodus being false.

I know - and enjoyed your post. I merely wanted to point out the middle ground which is the more common position. Unfortunately, having started off as off-topic and meandered as reasonably friendly banter this thread has gone over the edge of any chance of defending as appropriate. Unfotunately, my Logos collection is short of the materials that I could use to create a useful search to claim to be bringing the thread back under control. So I'll invoke the guidelines.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565209#Comment_565209

I was surprised Ted invoked the 'Gons' rule, since it was Phil that initiated the thread series by posing the scary question as to whether Logos could remain on the face of planet earth, if dusty JW resources found their way into the CP process. And whether JW was just too much to stomach; maybe rants against JW's might work. Or, well, maybe something else?

I'm sure Phil's concern wasn't theological; strictly business. But the question is too obvious and so Ben's point concerning Mormons (and I'd assume any other non-mainstream group). George's thread illustrated the OT and thense the Logos library argued positions far in excess of the JWs.

But the volcanic deity thread (though not YHWH) was interesting while watching Gilligan's Island and the British rare butterfly catcher. I remember another series where the family visited Hawaii and ran afoul of the volcanic deities, but I can't remember their name.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565217#Comment_565217

Don't forget Joe vs the Volcano.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565217#Comment_565217

But the volcanic deity thread (though not YHWH) was interesting while watching Gilligan's Island and the British rare butterfly catcher.

I had to move to other programming. The story lines were just too deep. I couldn't keep up.

Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/564885#Comment_564885

Wasn't Jerusalem part of the land of the Jebusites, which Israel then took over following the exodus... would that answer the seeming contradiction?