Slow Layout Menu ... an exploration and some requests ...
Irritated by the 10+ seconds it takes to open the layout menu (MBP i7 with SSD) I decided to delete the layouts in the RHS of the menu.
The bottom line is that my menu now opens almost instantly 
An Observation:
When saving a layout, I assumed an independent copy was stored somewhere, and a link to it appears on the LHS of the menu. This does not seem to be the case. When you delete the last remaining instance of a named layout (on the RHS), then the layout also disappears from the LHS without warning! I would guess that the LHS list of saved layouts are only shortcuts to the stack of layouts on the RHS.
Suggestions for Logos (please 
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1. It seems that Logos is making snapshots at all sorts of time without pruning them. I wonder how often we return to a snapshot/app close after a month has passed? two months? a year? Please prune these automatically.
2. Please implement a warning if the last instance of a named layout is about to be removed.
The other menu plagued by appalling response times is in the search/library panels. I want to search subsets of my resources, as defined by my collections. If this is the same as the layout menu then I would put the number of entries in the menu as the cause of the lack of responsiveness.
A Final Suggestion (
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3. The search/library menu should not be populated with an entry for each tag (I have hundreds) plus ratings, series etc. I cannot 'delete' these ... I can only request that Logos stops putting them there, even if it is an option in the settings ...
Thanks.
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Martin Folley said:
I can only request that Logos stops putting them there, even if it is an option in the settings ...
It would have to be an option as my collections, series and tags depend upon this behavior. For myself it decreases the number of collections I need.
I support your suggestion for layout history although it isn't my highest priority.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
It would have to be an option
Agreed ... although I wonder how many people actually work down the tags list beyond the collections ... trawling for a tag amongst so many ... it is easier to type into the search bar ... especially since we can now click on a tag in the info panel and it will create the search for us [:#]
MJ. Smith said:It would have to be an option as my collections, series and tags depend upon this behavior.
Just curious ... how?
I am suggesting that the tags etc. do not appear in the drop-down list ... I can always use 'my tag:bibliography'; or build a collection using a tag/series ... and presumably optimise that collection; ... I cannot see how collections depend on the content of the drop-down list ... workflow does ... but not the actual collections/tags.
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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In early L4 I had built collections for all series so that I could easily search a series. Once these were automatically supplied I could remove my collections which speeded the building of the drop-down menu.
I don't have nearly as many tags as you - I tend to use them to create "automatic" collections I think Logos should provide - e.g. the Lutheran, Anglican and Orthodox versions of church documents, catechisms, and confessions. In these cases I don't need to build a collection. I use tags to indicate the canon used, the default translation used, what guide sections a resource automatically appears in so that I can build "missing from guide section" collections - this often leads to genre tags e.g. sermons to build "sermons not in sermon section", links that a resource should scroll on (sermons on confessions to the confession, many resources to liturgical calendar...) Some of these still require me to build a collection but for many the tag itself is sufficient and appears to process a bit faster. Some I don't use as collections but rather they assist me in the seemingly endless task of setting priorities.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I don't have nearly as many tags as you - I tend to ...
Thank you for the reply.
It is fascinating how different users use L5 in different ways.
I am pondering on my workflow without tags (or rather with only a few tags) ... hmmm ... I can see how that would work but do not have the courage to remove the hundreds of tags (and tagging hours) just in case I change my mind and want them back later !
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Martin Folley said:
When saving a layout, I assumed an independent copy was stored somewhere, and a link to it appears on the LHS of the menu. This does not seem to be the case. When you delete the last remaining instance of a named layout (on the RHS), then the layout also disappears from the LHS without warning! I would guess that the LHS list of saved layouts are only shortcuts to the stack of layouts on the RHS.
Since named layouts are sync'd to Logos servers, one option is contacting Logos to restore desired layout(s).
Martin Folley said:3. The search/library menu should not be populated with an entry for each tag (I have hundreds) plus ratings, series etc. I cannot 'delete' these ...
Concur with desire for program setting to show/hide myrating, mytag, and series in drop down menus.
Dreaming of My Data library column for Logos resources so could convert most of my 50 tags (how resource acquired) into metadata that does not need a collection (clicking column header so can group by data values would be sufficient). Also dreaming of Logos exposing more resource metadata for dynamic rule collections: e.g. morphology tagging and interlinear resources with Display menu.
Wiki => http://wiki.logos.com/Example_Collections includes link to FaithLife group Logos Collections that currently has 305 dynamic rule collections, which can be freely copied.
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Martin ... I had to make sure this wasn't an old thread! What ... you edited the date?
I'm just laughing, since the same thing happened to me at least a year ago; maybe longer. And for the exact same reason. In my case, I only have 1 layout but it's my big boy ... maybe 120 resources open on 5 windows.
Luckily Logos did a lot of work on the layout section since then. Now, the improved version apparently saves a lot of useless images, takes a while to load, and if a user deletes them, it's curtains for their layouts!
I guess? I don't want to try it! Actually in the 'old' version it wouldn't let you delete the last layout in use. Maybe the update now lets you delete that one too!
Regarding the option on tags etc. I've no issue with an option; my issue is all the other resources below the tags. Where in the world do they get the list. Is it a time-machine?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Martin Folley said:
1. It seems that Logos is making snapshots at all sorts of time without pruning them. I wonder how often we return to a snapshot/app close after a month has passed? two months? a year? Please prune these automatically.
That should already happen. If you see Application Closed snapshots older than a month or so, there must be a bug.
Martin Folley said:I wonder how many people actually work down the tags list beyond the collections ... trawling for a tag amongst so many ... it is easier to type into the search bar ... especially since we can now click on a tag in the info panel and it will create the search for us
That only works in Library. It doesn't work in Search.
Martin Folley said:even if it is an option in the settings
That would be meaningless for most of us. Since I couldn't do without all, I'd have to keep all.
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