NEW Dispensational Theology Base Package

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Josh | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, May 8 2014 11:29 AM

Since Logos has put out several base packages for the Reformed, Anglicans, Lutherans, Seventh Day Adventists, and Catholics...maybe it would be nice to also produce a new base package with resources for those who subscribe to Dispensationalism.

Logos already has many interesting commentaries/resources they could bundle, such as:

The Numerical Bible

The Annotated Bible

Darby's Synopsis of the Bible

Clarence Larkin Collection

C.I. Scofield Collection

Lectures in Systematic Theology

A.C. Gaebelein Collection

H.A. Ironside

Lewis Sperry Chafer Collection (and his famous 8 vol. Systematic Theology)

Charles Ryrie Collection

Arnold Fructenbaum's Ariel Ministries Messianic Collection

John MacArthur's Essential Bible Study Library

John Walvoord Commentary and Theology Collection

Believer's Bible Commentary

etc. The list goes on.

Not to mention many other authors, such as Darrell Bock.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 8 2014 12:32 PM

Josh:
The list goes on.

Thank you for listing these. I found one resource I had overlooked.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 8 2014 12:42 PM

Super.Tramp:

Josh:
The list goes on.

Thank you for listing these. I found one resource I had overlooked.

No problem. I'm sure I missed quite a few as well. Logos doesn't have "Dispensationalism" as one of their search refiners.

I, also, want to note that those who subscribe to this system of theology in the US is rather large. Craig Blomberg in one of his books estimates that there could be 25 million adherents in the US. The Oxford Handbook of Millennailism has this figure closer to 40 million. 

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 8 2014 8:15 PM

Bump...there has to be someone else out there that also wants this...Smile

I found some other resources that could easily be included.

J. Dwight Pentecost Collection

Warren Wiersbe's Be Series

Tom Constable's Expository Bible Notes

Roy Zuck Vital Issues Series

Roy Gingrich's Commentaries in Outline Form

Donald Grey Barnhouse's Expositions of Bible Doctrines...Romans

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 8 2014 9:15 PM

You could also include:
DTS Journal
D. L. Moody life works
R.A. Torrey collection
C.I Scofield collection
Charles Ryrie Collection
H.A. Ironside

Swindoll is also a Dispensationalist IIRC.

Thinking of making a reformed dispensational collection within my installation of logos.

So far I have John MacArthur.... haha

John Piper also holds to a dispensational millennium and is reformed.

He is probably the furthest away from dispensationalism, although he does agree with dispensationalism that there will be a millennium.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 8 2014 9:40 PM

abondservant:
Thinking of making a reformed dispensational collection within my installation of logos.

Yep.  Me too,

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 6:16 AM

Super.Tramp:

abondservant:
Thinking of making a reformed dispensational collection within my installation of logos.

Yep.  Me too,



Keep me posted on who you put in that collection if you don't mind.

I'm starting with a rule:
Author:(Macarthur,Piper) OR Mytag:Reformed AND Mytag:Dispensational

Which created a collection with 211 resources - mostly by piper and MacArthur - but plenty of others as well.

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 8:09 AM

abondservant:

Super.Tramp:

abondservant:
Thinking of making a reformed dispensational collection within my installation of logos.

Yep.  Me too,



Keep me posted on who you put in that collection if you don't mind.

I'm starting with a rule:
Author:(Macarthur,Piper) OR Mytag:Reformed AND Mytag:Dispensational

Which created a collection with 211 resources - mostly by piper and MacArthur - but plenty of others as well.

Piper classified as dispensational? That would be news to him.

I would put in this category: John MacArthur (and others at Masters College and Seminary), Erwin Lutzer, John D. Hannah, S. Lewis Johnson, Donald Barnhouse, Daniel Wallace, and Steve Lawson. Perhaps James Boice as well.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 8:15 AM

Did you see the link to desiring God and the quote of the staffer that was writing about his position?

Maybe I should just leave him as escatalogicaly dispensational.


Here is the rule I used (from the denomination tags thread) to tag the dispensationalists.

Author:("Allen, Ronald B.", "Arnold, Clinton E.", "Bailey, Mark", "Barber, Cyril J.", "Barbieri, Louis A.", "Barker, Kenneth L.", "Benware, Paul N.", "Boa, Kenneth", "Bock, Darrell L.", "Campbell, Donald K", "Chafer Theological Seminary", "Chafer, Lewis Sperry", "Cone, Christopher", "Dallas Theological Seminary", "Darby, John Nelson", "Deane, Andy", "DeHaan, M. R.", "Derickson, Gary", "Dillow, Joseph", "Dyer, Charles H.", "Emmaus Bible College", "Enns, Paul P.", "Evans, Tony", "Farnell, F. David", "Farstad, Arthur", "Feinberg, Charles L.", "Feinberg, Paul", "Fruchtenbaum, Arnold G.", "Gaebelein, Arno", "Garland, Anthony C.", "Geisler, Norman L.", "Gingrich, Roy Edward", "Gromacki, Robert", "Harrison, Everett F.", "Hartman, Fred", "Hendricks, Howard G.", "Hindson, Edward", "Hitchcock, Mark", "Hodges, Zane", "Hoehner, Harold", "House, H. Wayne", "Hughes, R. Kent", "Ironside, H. A.", "Jensen, Irving", "Jeremiah, David", "Johnston, Wendell", "Karleen, Paul S.", "Keathley, Hampton", "Kelly, William", "Kreloff, Steven A.", "Kroll, Woodrow", "LaHaye, Tim", "Laney, J. Carl", "Larkin, Clarence", "Levy, David M.", "Lightner, Robert P.", "Litfin, Duane", "Lopez, René", "Lutzer, Erwin W.", "MacArthur, John F.", "Mackintosh, C. H.", "Malphurs, Aubrey", "Mayhue, Richard L.", "McGee, J. Vernon", "McKenzie, Marni Shideler", "McQuaid, Elwood", "Merrill, Eugene H.", "Mills, M. S.", "Morris, Henry M.", "Olander, David", "Ortlund, Raymond C.", "Pentecost, J. Dwight", "Pfeiffer, Charles", "Radmacher, Earl D", "Rosscup, James", "Ryrie, Charles C.", "Sailhamer, John H.", "Saucy, Robert L.", "Scofield, C. I.", "Showers, Renald E.", "Stanley, Andy", "Stanley, Charles F.", "Stedman, Ray C.", "Strauss, Richard L.", "Swindoll, Charles R.", "Talbot, Louis T.", "Taylor, Kenneth N.", "The Master's Seminary", "Thiessen, Henry Clarence", "Thomas, Robert L.", "Trahan, Kerry", "Tyndale Theological Seminary", "Unger, Merrill F.", "Varner, William", "Vine, W. E.", "Vos, Howard F.", "Wallace, Daniel B.", "Waltke, Bruce K.", "Walvoord, John F.", "Water, Mark", "Waymeyer, Matthew", "Wilkin, Robert", "Wilkinson, Bruce H.", "Willmington, Harold L.", "Wolf, Herbert", "Wuest, Kenneth S.", "Zuck, Roy B.","Ryrie,Charles")

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 8:24 AM

elnwood:

Piper classified as dispensational? That would be news to him.

I would put in this category: John MacArthur (and others at Masters College and Seminary), Erwin Lutzer, John D. Hannah, S. Lewis Johnson, Donald Barnhouse, Daniel Wallace, and Steve Lawson. Perhaps James Boice as well.



I notice Hannah, Johnson, Barnhouse, Lawson, and Boice are not listed under dispensational in the current iteration of the rule - if you have sources that show these people as dispensational the guy that manages the rules will add them to the list which benefits the whole community.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 9:01 AM

abondservant:
Did you see the link to desiring God and the quote of the staffer that was writing about his position?

Maybe I should just leave him as escatalogicaly dispensational.

I think you would be mischaracterizing him.  Out of all the positions, he is the "furthest away from dispensational".  Believing in a future millennial age doesn't make one dispensational, as any classic premillenialist will tell you (like Spurgeon or Ladd).  If you search Google you will find Piper being attacked by classic dispensationalists for having "replacement theology" and being "supercessionist", and Piper has indicated elsewhere that he believes that Jews and Gentiles will share in the eschatological land promises.  This may make him akin to a progressive dispensationlist although I've always thought of him as a non-confessional reformed baptist, however he's probably somewhere in between.  He seems to not want to categorize himself because he does teach elements of covenant theology while denying other parts of it. His views tend to not match common category definitions.

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 9:19 AM

He is probably the furthest away from dispensationalism, although he does agree with dispensationalism that there will be a millennium.

Yes, John Piper is premillennial, but premillennialism does not mean dispensational. Premillennialism was the dominant eschatology in the early church, but dispensationalism didn't come until the 19th century. That's why it says John Piper is the furthest away from dispensationalism. 

Some premillennialists are very anti-dispensational, such as George Ladd. See also Craig Blomberg and Sung Wook Chung's book A Case for Historic Premillennialism: An Alternative to "Left Behind Eschatology."

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 9:30 AM

abondservant:

I notice Hannah, Johnson, Barnhouse, Lawson, and Boice are not listed under dispensational in the current iteration of the rule - if you have sources that show these people as dispensational the guy that manages the rules will add them to the list which benefits the whole community.

You could even add Skip Heitzig, Greg Laurie, and Ray Comfort to that list as well. Skip and Greg have their own sermon archives on Logos. 

https://www.logos.com/product/33978/greg-laurie-sermon-archive

https://www.logos.com/product/36350/skip-heitzig-sermon-archive

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 10:08 AM

IF they aren't listed in my earlier post, suggest them here, with a link demonstrating that they are dispensational (a bio, curriculum vitae, a book with an obvious title, wiki page, etc).

Some of the names I recognize as being dispensational, but the person who adds them to the list wants more than just a couple guys recognizing them as such.

abondservant:

Author:("Allen, Ronald B.", "Arnold, Clinton E.", "Bailey, Mark", "Barber, Cyril J.", "Barbieri, Louis A.", "Barker, Kenneth L.", "Benware, Paul N.", "Boa, Kenneth", "Bock, Darrell L.", "Campbell, Donald K", "Chafer Theological Seminary", "Chafer, Lewis Sperry", "Cone, Christopher", "Dallas Theological Seminary", "Darby, John Nelson", "Deane, Andy", "DeHaan, M. R.", "Derickson, Gary", "Dillow, Joseph", "Dyer, Charles H.", "Emmaus Bible College", "Enns, Paul P.", "Evans, Tony", "Farnell, F. David", "Farstad, Arthur", "Feinberg, Charles L.", "Feinberg, Paul", "Fruchtenbaum, Arnold G.", "Gaebelein, Arno", "Garland, Anthony C.", "Geisler, Norman L.", "Gingrich, Roy Edward", "Gromacki, Robert", "Harrison, Everett F.", "Hartman, Fred", "Hendricks, Howard G.", "Hindson, Edward", "Hitchcock, Mark", "Hodges, Zane", "Hoehner, Harold", "House, H. Wayne", "Hughes, R. Kent", "Ironside, H. A.", "Jensen, Irving", "Jeremiah, David", "Johnston, Wendell", "Karleen, Paul S.", "Keathley, Hampton", "Kelly, William", "Kreloff, Steven A.", "Kroll, Woodrow", "LaHaye, Tim", "Laney, J. Carl", "Larkin, Clarence", "Levy, David M.", "Lightner, Robert P.", "Litfin, Duane", "Lopez, René", "Lutzer, Erwin W.", "MacArthur, John F.", "Mackintosh, C. H.", "Malphurs, Aubrey", "Mayhue, Richard L.", "McGee, J. Vernon", "McKenzie, Marni Shideler", "McQuaid, Elwood", "Merrill, Eugene H.", "Mills, M. S.", "Morris, Henry M.", "Olander, David", "Ortlund, Raymond C.", "Pentecost, J. Dwight", "Pfeiffer, Charles", "Radmacher, Earl D", "Rosscup, James", "Ryrie, Charles C.", "Sailhamer, John H.", "Saucy, Robert L.", "Scofield, C. I.", "Showers, Renald E.", "Stanley, Andy", "Stanley, Charles F.", "Stedman, Ray C.", "Strauss, Richard L.", "Swindoll, Charles R.", "Talbot, Louis T.", "Taylor, Kenneth N.", "The Master's Seminary", "Thiessen, Henry Clarence", "Thomas, Robert L.", "Trahan, Kerry", "Tyndale Theological Seminary", "Unger, Merrill F.", "Varner, William", "Vine, W. E.", "Vos, Howard F.", "Wallace, Daniel B.", "Waltke, Bruce K.", "Walvoord, John F.", "Water, Mark", "Waymeyer, Matthew", "Wilkin, Robert", "Wilkinson, Bruce H.", "Willmington, Harold L.", "Wolf, Herbert", "Wuest, Kenneth S.", "Zuck, Roy B.","Ryrie,Charles")

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 12:53 PM

Based on what Gabe Martini said, "Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines, while bundles, add-on products, and collections will continue to be marked more specifically to 'viewpoints' (Calvinism, Arminianism, Christology, etc.)."

I'm now thinking this would be best marketed as a bundle or collection instead of a base package. 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 9 2014 1:36 PM

Josh:
I'm now thinking this would be best marketed as a bundle or collection instead of a base package. 

I think so.

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 1 2014 9:31 AM

Josh:

Based on what Gabe Martini said, "Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines, while bundles, add-on products, and collections will continue to be marked more specifically to 'viewpoints' (Calvinism, Arminianism, Christology, etc.)."

I'm now thinking this would be best marketed as a bundle or collection instead of a base package. 

Perhaps, but I think you underestimate how much dispensationalism breaks down along denominational/church lines. Dispensationalism used to transcend denominations, and you had Anglican dispensationalists, Congregational dispensationalists, Presbyterian dispensationalists, etc., but that has changed drastically. 

Dispensationalism is now practically non-existent in Presbyterian and Anglican churches. While there are a few denominations that have some dispensational and some non-dispensational (Southern Baptist, Evangelical Free), a great number of dispensational churches are organized into their own groups: Grace Brethren, Plymouth Brethren, Calvary Chapel, fundamentalist Baptist, and non-denominational Bible churches.

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Jeremy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 1 2014 12:11 PM

Yes I would buy it!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 1 2014 3:44 PM

I've thought of dispensationalism as a hermeneutical filter rather than a denomination even though it is centered in particular denominations. Therefore, it seems to me to be more appropriately a bundle rather than a base package.

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