Where is my Create Note option?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 12 2014 12:14 PM

Surely I can create a note in a book in L5...someone please explain to me what I'm doing wrong.

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Thomas Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 12:18 PM

It's right there. "Add a note to "Emphasis Markup." That note is either open, or the last one used. 

If you open a blank note you should be able to use that as the location the note you're trying to make goes to.

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 12:26 PM

Tommy Ball:

It's right there. "Add a note to "Emphasis Markup." 

This doesn't make any sense.

Tommy Ball:

That note is either open, or the last one used. 

This doesn't make any sense.

Tommy Ball:

If you open a blank note you should be able to use that as the location the note you're trying to make goes to.

This doesn't make any sense.

I don't like L5 very much. Broken Heart

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Thomas Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 12:31 PM

David Paul:
I don't like L5 very much. Broken Heart

I'm sorry you feel that way.

David Paul:

Tommy Ball:

It's right there. "Add a note to "Emphasis Markup." 

This doesn't make any sense.

Highlights made under specific pallets are combined onto a specific note file. If you go to your Documents menu you'll see this is the case. You likely highlighted something last rather than last created a note file as you are trying to do here. If you create a new blank note document you'll be able to add to that note file from the context menu as you were trying to do here. 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 12:49 PM

David Paul:

Tommy Ball:

It's right there. "Add a note to "Emphasis Markup." 

This doesn't make any sense.

Tommy Ball:

That note is either open, or the last one used. 

This doesn't make any sense.

Tommy Ball:

If you open a blank note you should be able to use that as the location the note you're trying to make goes to.

This doesn't make any sense.

I don't like L5 very much. Broken Heart

I hope you understand the Bible better than you understand Tommy (come on after all your expository posts you deserved that Wink)

What Tommy is saying is that Logos assumes you want to place your note in a note file that is open. If no note file is open, Logos assumes you want to place the note in the last note file you used.

In practice, this generally means you open the note files you wish to use before you start adding notes to them.

When you select a location, a blank note will be created.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 1:36 PM

Okay, I understand the concept, but I'm not sure how to go about saving these note files. I want to save a set of notes for the book I'm reading and I want to save notes that will be topic related. I assume that is two different note files...but where are these saved at? Do I have a folder option that allows me to keep all my book-related files in a folder called Books? Understand...I want to keep the notes for the book I'm reading now, The Innocence of God, in a folder titled "The Innocence of God", and I want to keep that note file in a folder of notes titled "Books". Can I do that? I also want to put the same notes I create while reading this book (and others) in a variety of note files that have the titles of the books I am authoring myself...and have each of those note files in a folder titled "My Books".

In other words, I guess, can I create a note and then drag-and-drop it into whichever folder I choose from the various note folders and subfolders that I create?

Or am I wanting to use Clippings, which I know almost nothing about? I am not writing notes per se (though at times I may add comments to remind myself why I am marking a quote); I am just trying to mark the quotes and snippets that I want to use or quote in writing my book(s).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 1:41 PM

Click on Notes in the left panel and you will create a new notes file which you may name whatever you want. Click on the right hand side Notes and you expand/contract the list of the note files you already have. Click on a specific file name to open it.

The save is done automatically.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 1:44 PM

David Paul:
In other words, I guess, can I create a note and then drag-and-drop it into whichever folder I choose from the various note folders and subfolders that I create?

No - but some people add the notes to a work file and then drag-and-drop to the location they actually want.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 2:17 PM

Next question: after I have read through a book and created all the notes in that book, do I have a way of tabbing through those notes quickly with a button click? And can I tag those notes so that I can tab only through the notes with a particular tag?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 3:27 PM

I guess the question I'm really asking is...can I use the Bible study software to do stuff that someone who is studying the Bible might actually want to do? Why would anyone who has to do meticulous research want to use a software program that doesn't keep track of the raw ore extraction in a way that facilitates the transition to a final product?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 3:31 PM

David Paul:
And can I tag those notes so that I can tab only through the notes with a particular tag?

No, only clippings can be tagged but you can't do much of anything with the tags.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 3:36 PM

David Paul:
I guess the question I'm really asking is...can I use the Bible study software to do stuff that someone who is studying the Bible might actually want to do?

Logos is a digital library program... not a word publisher. Notes could be beefed up, by the response by Logos is to create a personal book and import it. I am torn here. On the one hand, it would be GREAT to have a program to do both the research AND the writing... on the other hand, there are good programs out there to do the later. It might not be worth the man hour (especially taken away from other projects!) to produce a mediocre substitute for other programs. In other words: try to be the best at what you do.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 3:38 PM

David Paul:
.can I use the Bible study software to do stuff that someone who is studying the Bible might actually want to do?

Don't ask me to defend Logos 5 notes - although they have improved dramatically and I have reason to believe they will take some additional positive steps. I have found a number of research functions for which they work well and a few for which they do not work at all or are so clunky I don't want to use them. You have to try them, play with their strengths and weaknesses then come up with a work flow that is satisfactory to you. That is true of pretty much all software.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 3:50 PM

LMBO

Brought this up months back I got poo-pooed, that right click menu needs a "create new note"-

IT STILL DOES TURKEY'S!!!!!!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 3:57 PM

Whyndell Grizzard:
IT STILL DOES TURKEY'S!!!!!!

I find name calling annoying.

Whyndell Grizzard:
right click menu needs a "create new note"-

It does - built into the select file option. Creating a note to save in thin air (i.e. no specified file) makes no sense. I agree that the interface could be improved but "add a note to ..." is similar enough to "create a new note in ..." that I'm not sure what you are actually asking for. Are you asking for a "create new note" that requires a "save in" exit? I can see that as being useful if you are switching between a number of files in which you may wish to save the new note - but I would fear complaints about lost data as the remainder of the system does not require explicit saves.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 4:09 PM

alabama24:

David Paul:
I guess the question I'm really asking is...can I use the Bible study software to do stuff that someone who is studying the Bible might actually want to do?

Logos is a digital library program... not a word publisher. 

Yes, I understand that. But I'm not really talking about anything that is so far along that I'm wanting or needing the capabilities of a word processor. I'm talking about note manipulation--the ability to "tag" the parts of a book in my library that I may want to quote or otherwise refer to at a later time...and, then the ability to essentially drag-and-drop each of those tagged artifacts to folders that allow information to be organized both in clumps and in sequential order. What I'm talking about is a fairly rudimentary concept but it could be expanded in many useful ways...once it has been implemented. Again, I'm talking about manipulating the raw data, the mined ore, that Logos provides. This is back-end as opposed to front-end data manipulation, but it isn't stuff that has "matured" sufficiently to the point it is ready to be extracted to a presentation program (word processor, etc.). Logos tends to focus primarily on front-end data manipulation--finding the books that might have useful info, searching resources to locate data. But before that data is extracted from the program, there is quite a bit of data manipulation activities that are best accomplished in program. Once data is extracted from the program, it is effectively no longer digital...it's an analog lump of coal. Logos needs to devote some serious attention to back-end data organization (i.e. raw data manipulation).

Frankly, I think whatever Logos does in this regard is generally church oriented. I'm much more interested in academic & publishing aspects, and I think Logos has pretty much ignored these avenues of the end-user experience. I would really like to see that change sooner than later...and by sooner, I guess I'm meaning L6 at the latest.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 4:17 PM

MJ. Smith:

Are you asking for a "create new note" that requires a "save in" exit? I can see that as being useful if you are switching between a number of files in which you may wish to save the new note - but I would fear complaints about lost data as the remainder of the system does not require explicit saves.

Well, after considering what you and Tommy said above, I realized that is what makes this process so counter-intuitive, because "Yes", that is exactly the way pretty much every other program I use works. You choose where you want it after you select it. The reason that makes sense is because it honors the workflow process, as opposed to expecting you to predict the future as to where your next note may need to go. I see something, I want it, I grab it, I put it where I want it--NOT I see something, I want it, I go find the place I want to put it, I come back to where I was, then I grab it, and then put it where I want it. There is a logical hiccup in that procedure.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 4:37 PM

David Paul:
I realized that is what makes this process so counter-intuitive, because "Yes", that is exactly the way pretty much every other program I use works. You choose where you want it after you select it. The reason that makes sense is because it honors the workflow process

From my career in IT I would say that your expectations are common in standalone system; the Logos model is common in web, mobile and work-station systems. I am finding fewer and fewer of the apps on my system work the first way - most notably Microsoft. As a result my habitual workflow has also changed.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 13 2014 4:08 AM

MJ. Smith:

Whyndell Grizzard:
IT STILL DOES TURKEY'S!!!!!!

I find name calling annoying.

Whyndell Grizzard:
right click menu needs a "create new note"-

It does - built into the select file option. Creating a note to save in thin air (i.e. no specified file) makes no sense. I agree that the interface could be improved but "add a note to ..." is similar enough to "create a new note in ..." that I'm not sure what you are actually asking for. Are you asking for a "create new note" that requires a "save in" exit? I can see that as being useful if you are switching between a number of files in which you may wish to save the new note - but I would fear complaints about lost data as the remainder of the system does not require explicit saves.

Sorry your offended it was meant more in jest, not a condemnation- maybe a little "smile" afterwards would have been more appropriate. 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 13 2014 7:17 AM

I want to acknowledge that Clippings does appear to meet some of what I described above in terms of being a place I can stash things and organize them sequentially. That's quite helpful, so I must admit my L5 dissatisfaction meter has ticked a couple of notches in a positive direction. Unfortunately, the list of things L5 does that L3 can't do will never overcome the list of things L3 does that L5 will never be able to do. Fortunately they do tend to play well together.

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