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DAL | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2014 2:35 PM

NIDB is leaving the $139.95 zone and moving to the $299.95 zone tomorrow.  That's, according to Logos, a 53% difference.  You won't even get this price on a Twitter or Facebook Deal or as a special "upgrade price," so move on right ahead and place your pre-pub order before it's too late.  Today and part of tomorrow morning is your last chance to snatch this.  With publishers getting tight on discounts, who knows if this puppy will get the usual 25% discount form Abingdon Press.

I was debating for a long time whether to get it or not (Dan Francis can attest to this) but I figured I'd rather snatch it now at a low price and then if I don't like it return it, than to later on try it at regular price and decide I DO want it, but no special discount for it.  So give it a try, it may never replace AYBD, but it will certainly add to it to make your studies deeper!

Blessings!

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 17 2014 2:27 PM

Silly me...hehehe...replying to my own post.  Anyway, New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible is out now, but more expensive.  There's still time to get it at an affordable 12 payments of $30 bucks per month.

DAL

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 17 2014 2:41 PM

I hope you enjoy it... I do think you will find it a fine compliment to your ABD and well worth it for $139... But please do let us know if find it is not I would be interested in your opinion of the set after you have had a while to use it.

-Dan

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 17 2014 2:51 PM

Dan Francis:

I hope you enjoy it... I do think you will find it a fine compliment to your ABD and well worth it for $139... But please do let us know if find it is not I would be interested in your opinion of the set after you have had a while to use it.

-Dan

I have made a layout with just AYBD & NIDB to read articles side by side and compare them; since those are my two main Bible dictionaries.  I think I'll add the IVP's ones to get a fuller picture and determine if I actually need the NIDB or just return it to off set the cost of the NIB that will be out (Finally!) next month.

I can say this, though, under the Acts section of the AYBD there's more content than in the NIDB.  There's also Acts of Andrew, Peter, Pilate, etc. something not found in the NIDB.  But either way, I'm sure there will be plenty in the NIDB that will not be found in the AYBD.  We'll see...

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 9:13 AM

Bug NIDB and Topic Guide

All I can say is that "Is not looking good for this much anticipated resource!"

Not only it fails to yield results on the Topic Guide, Biblical People, Places and Things, but the articles are not in-depth.  Eerdman's Dictionary of the Bible has better quality articles than this one -- one example would be Tithe, Tithing; Sabbath, The Epistle to the Hebrews, etc.

As I stated before, I think AYBD may be a little out-dated, but it's still the BEST Bible Dictionary there is out there in terms of scholarship and depth of the articles.  So far not even this newer dictionary is match for AYBD.  The little extra (and insignificant in my opinion) is the feature Unix loves - it includes the actual Hebrew and Greek characters, but seriously, who needs that? A transliteration will suffice which by the way, is included in it.

I'll try to give it another week or two to continue the "trial period" but thus far, is not what I expected. Sad

DAL

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mc | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 10:17 AM

Thanks for the updates DAL.  I was on the fence for this one.  Kind of glad I did not get in based on your reviews.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 11:30 AM

Same here MC. Thanks DAL.

I've been eying aybd for a while. In terms of the conservative vs liberal continuum where would the scholarship you've read fall? Reformed (ish) Southern Baptist here.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 12:13 PM

As noted in my other thread, I'll likely call it in today (refund).  On a continuum, I'd say AYBD is a bit less liberal but it has more to do with the 1980s when liberal scholarship was less forward.  NIBD simply nails it and moves on. Almost militantly.  Actually I like what people call 'liberal' if there's info; but NIBD is pretty much info-free (outside various Bible references and thin articles). I think they were targeting an IVP-ish level; not AYBD.

EDIT: Well, I refunded it.  Interesting call.  The entry person, no matter the call, sends you to the rotary choices, none of which are a refund.  At the end is 'stay on the line' if not these.  But then the computer lady wants a number. So I gave '0' (equal to stay on the line).  That started the rotary numbers again. This time I was trained: I hit '0'.  Best not to wait.  But the support guy was nice.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 5:20 PM

abondservant:

Same here MC. Thanks DAL.

I've been eying aybd for a while. In terms of the conservative vs liberal continuum where would the scholarship you've read fall? Reformed (ish) Southern Baptist here.

See Denise response.  First thing that comes to my mind is that the AYBD has a little bit of everything, so you cannot really pip point one specific school of thought (e.g. Reformed, Southern Baptist, etc.) - that's what makes the AYBD one of a kind.  IMHO if you're really looking to supplement the AYBD the NIDB should not be your first choice, I'd say the Black IVP Dictionaries would serve you better along with the Eerdman's Dictionary of the Bible and any other Bible Dictionary; especially the ones found in the IVP Essentials Library.  If I had money to spare I'd buy the NIDB if I didn't have it.  Now I have it, but the "trial period" may not save it from getting returned, we'll see.  I have yet to find something that would lead me to keep it, hopefully I'll find it, if not I'll return it.

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 10:05 PM

Well, I can now say I have no regrets! I have returned the NIDB.  It wasn't adding anything to my library.  With all the Bible encyclopedias I have and other info you get from Logos features I'm very well served.  Therefore, today I returned the NIDB and you could safely say that at least in my head, the New Interpreter's Bible commentary will be $140 bucks cheaper...hehehe.

DAL

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 10:45 PM

Well I am glad you had a chance to look it over... I didn't get it since I own it elsewhere as well as a hard copy. I like it  but only as a supplement. It was not useful for you and now you know. The ones who claim it as their primary dictionary must like it a lot but I still like AYDB as  my primary choice.

-Dan

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 6:32 PM

Dan Francis:

Well I am glad you had a chance to look it over... I didn't get it since I own it elsewhere as well as a hard copy. I like it  but only as a supplement. It was not useful for you and now you know. The ones who claim it as their primary dictionary must like it a lot but I still like AYDB as  my primary choice.

-Dan

You are correct! A supplement if you have the money to spare, but there are (IMHO) better cheaper supplements.  And YES! AYBD continues to be the best Bible dictionary out there.  NIDB is no match for AYBD.  

I don't want to start anything (so save it those of you who think I already have), but I definitely saw some "woman's bias" in some of the articles (e.g. Apostle article, Junias and a few others I can't remember).  Could be because the main editor is a woman.  Still, over priced and over rated dictionary in my opinion.  I don't see how this one will rival AYBD any time soon.

Now, I just hope the NIB doesn't disappoint and I also hope is tagged correctly and is not the "Ship now & Fix later" type of resource.

DAL

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 7:50 PM

Now, DAL.  Let's be fair.  I was careful not to ballyhoo the editor based on her plumbing.  I'd hope you don't whack her also based on her plumbing.

And yes, NIBD is more women-oriented, as is a good portion of Christiandom these days. Could it be the large majority of Christians are women? 

But  I agree with you, since 95% of sin is from men.  Dictionaries need to emphasize where the problem is.  (Just sort of joking.)

And as regards Junias, you need to battle NA/USB and those darn greek writers.  If you check the NA versions going back you'll notice a nefarious pattern.

So whatever conclusion you might prefer, the greek is your problem.  Study up!

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 8:29 PM

Don't worry Denise, I did not return it because a woman edited it, I returned it because it didn't add to what I already own, so why pay so much for something that is not giving you more than what you already have.  The editor is a nice lady.

Now on the Junias part, there's a lot of debate, but instead of presenting it like that, she just assumes it's a woman, period, and that's due to her wanting to believe that, which is fine, she can be wrong if she wants, I'm not going to argue with her (both editor and contributor).

I think the NIDB should be titled The Women's New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, since much of the articles come from a woman's perspective.  It'd be nice to have that distinction, and it's ok to have a woman's perspective too I just find the other works I own more balanced than this new dictionary.  Here's the article on Junias, no room for debate, she pretty much asserts the others are wrong (implicitly).

JUNIA, JUNIAS joo´nee-uh, joo´nee-uhs [Ἰουνία Iounia; Ἰουνιᾶς Iounias]. Junia was a Jewish Christian female whom Paul called a prominent apostle. She was imprisoned with him presumably because of their gospel ministry (Rom 16:7). Since the 12th cent. scholars have usually claimed that Paul was speaking of a male called Junias because they believed an apostle could not be a woman. However, no evidence exists that such a male name existed, while the name Junia is supported by at least 250 sources. Commentators before the 12th cent. believed Paul was speaking of a woman, i.e., the 4th cent. scholar John Chrysostom who said of her in his commentary on 16:5, “Oh, how great is the devotion of this woman, that she should be counted worthy of the appellation of apostle!” (Hom. Rom. 31 [NPNF 1 11.555]). She is probably the wife of Andronicus (Rom 16:7) and may have belonged to the closed group of apostles who were appointed directly by the risen Christ in a limited period following his resurrection (compare 1 Cor 15:7). Paul states that she was “in Christ” before he was which points to her being appointed an apostle before Paul and may have given her additional status in his eyes (compare 1 Cor 15:8).

Bibliography: James D. G. Dunn. Romans. WBC 38B (1988); Joseph A. Fitzmyer. Romans. AB 33 (1983); Philip Schaff. The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers. Vol. 11. Series One (1956).
NANCY CALVERT-KOYZIS


Calvert-Koyzis, N. (2006–2009). Junia, Junias. In (K. D. Sakenfeld, Ed.)The New Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible. Nashville, TN: Abingdon Press.

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