Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 8 Base Packages)

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 23 2019 2:25 PM

Kolen Cheung:

Also, it is quite common to have 2 volume commentaries, 1 for OT, 1 for NT.

Literally they aren't "One Volume Commentaries", but in practice there aren't too much difference between them (i.e. they made an effort to reduce things to 1 vol., just per testament or per bible.)

Would you consider regarding them as "Commentaries (One Volume)", or perhaps add a new "Commentaries (Two Volumes)"?

Sorry, I should have said it all in one go.

I looked at the rule to create "Commentaries (One Volume)", there's no extension that can make it include "One volume per testament kind of commentaries". Either it has to be manually added as a collection, or Logos/Faithlife add new metadata to it.

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Father Gregory | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 24 2019 4:58 PM

This effort is outstanding!

Thank you.  Star

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 12:35 AM

Kolen Cheung:
I looked at the rule to create "Commentaries (One Volume)", there's no extension that can make it include "One volume per testament kind of commentaries". Either it has to be manually added as a collection, or Logos/Faithlife add new metadata to it.

This gets close:  type:bible-commentary AND  {Series Any}  AND (subject:”Bible.O.T.--Commentaries” OR subject:”Bible.N.T.--Commentaries”)

You can't cater exclusively for a series-pair, so you have to tag them to be excluded or included.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 3:30 AM
Dave Hooton:
type:bible-commentary AND  {Series Any}  AND (subject:”Bible.O.T.--Commentaries” OR subject:”Bible.N.T.--Commentaries”)
Thanks! I created such with the name "Commentaries (Two Volumes)", for the lack of better name.
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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 4:56 AM

Kolen Cheung:
I looked at the rule to create "Commentaries (One Volume)", there's no extension that can make it include "One volume per testament kind of commentaries". Either it has to be manually added as a collection, or Logos/Faithlife add new metadata to it.

It was always my intention to include two-volume commentaries in the one-volume collection. I've re-written the rule to do a better job of this. In my library, that's increased the number of resources included from 39 to 66.

I've also added A Messianic Commentary to the Expository collection.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 10:23 AM

Mark Barnes, THANK YOU for this work that you do!

I updated from Commentaries:One Volume to Commentaries (One Volume) and also saw a dramatic increase in resources.

Can you clarify the difference between Commentaries:Expository and Commentaries (Expository)? I get the same resource count with either collection. Is the addition of A Messianic Commentary the only change?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 11:00 AM

David Thomas:
Can you clarify the difference between Commentaries:Expository and Commentaries (Expository)?

I don't have a collection called "Commentaries: Expository". I think the ones with colons are ones that abondservant created using my rules (with my permission), before we could easily share collections (i.e. prior to Logos 8). They won't have been updated for at least a year, I think.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 11:07 AM

Mark Barnes:
They won't have been updated for at least a year, I think.

Thank you. I just added all the collections with parenthesis and deleted my collections with a colon and the same name.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 26 2019 1:14 AM

Mark Barnes:
I've re-written the rule to do a better job of this. In my library, that's increased the number of resources included from 39 to 66.

Did you push the update to the public already?

I didn't see that changed on my side. IIRC, it seems that if you publish it, you need to manually update it on the web, but on the receiver's side it is automatically being pushed. But https://wiki.logos.com/Documents_ didn't mention this rule. (Nor did the Logos Help manual, it seems.)

Do you have the IVPBBC? The rule suggested above (that I made as "Commentaries (Two Volumes)") has this included but not the "Commentaries (One Volume)".

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 26 2019 1:23 AM

Kolen Cheung:

Mark Barnes:
I've re-written the rule to do a better job of this. In my library, that's increased the number of resources included from 39 to 66.

Did you push the update to the public already?

Yes I did that yesterday. I don't subscribe to any other collections, so I'm not sure what is supposed to happen when I update a collection. You could go to https://documents.logos.com/ and choose "Resource Collections" from the dropdown menu and see if you can force an update that way.

Kolen Cheung:
Do you have the IVPBBC? The rule suggested above (that I made as "Commentaries (Two Volumes)") has this included but not the "Commentaries (One Volume)".

I include this in my background commentaries collection, rather than in my one-volume collection. Likewise for other specialist commentaries such as Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament.

You also mentioned earlier: The New International Greek Testament Commentary: Expanded Paraphrase of 2 Corinthians. This isn't a commentary. It's a paraphrase of the biblical text, so it's not included. The actual commentary, The New International Greek Testament Commentary: The Second Epistle to the Corinthians is included.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 26 2019 1:35 AM

I See. Thanks for your reply, and follow up on what I forgot already.

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 11:42 PM

Currently on 8.3 and still not seeing any but 2 of the commentary lists (one volume & expository). Still wondering if there is something I can do to 'purge' the deleted list. I'd really love to have this working again.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 9 2019 1:23 AM

danwdoo:
Currently on 8.3 and still not seeing any but 2 of the commentary lists (one volume & expository). Still wondering if there is something I can do to 'purge' the deleted list. I'd really love to have this working again.

Are you referring to the bug that once deleted cannot add again? People said that one can go to deleted document to recover them.

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 9 2019 1:34 AM

Ah! I see them there. That seems to solve it. Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 29 2019 12:26 PM

I've updated the collections to add:

If you want the latest versions, you can manually update them using the syntax in the first post, or if you've previously downloaded them from https://documents.logos.com/ head back there to get the latest version.

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Peter Bongers | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 30 2019 10:18 AM

A huge "Thank you!" for this Mark!

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2019 11:34 PM

Thanks, Mark! 

Is there a reason for including "The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges" in 'Intermediate' rather than 'Historical: 1750-1950'? According to the series PDP, the publication date range is from 1882-1922.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 8 2019 3:14 AM

I've made two changes to the collections:

  1. I've added over 200 hundred individual volumes to the shared collections, so the shared collections now include ALL the commentaries I'm aware of, not just those in a series. (These individual commentaries have been added to the Plus these resources section — they can't be added to the rules, as that would be too slow. If you've copied and pasted the rules, rather than adding the shared version to your documents, you won't benefit.)
    • Expository Commentaries: 46 resources
    • Intermediate Commentaries: 85 resources
    • Technical Commentaries: 48 resources
    • Historical Commentaries (Antiquity):resource
    • Historical Commentaries (Reformation):resource
    • Historical Commentaries (1750-1950): 20 resources
    • One Volume Commentaries: 3 resources
    • Special Commentaries: 34 resources
  2. I've moved The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges to Historical: 1750-1950.

I'm still not clear whether it's possible to update to the latest version from within Logos, or whether you need to head to https://documents.logos.com/. Perhaps someone could clarify that, and let us know the steps required.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 8 2019 2:24 PM

MJ. Smith:

Mark Barnes:

I had already added:

  • The People's Bible

Ah, you added a different series that's name starts with rather than is in its entirety. https://www.logos.com/product/9330/the-peoples-bible-complete-set is the set I was referring to.

The above collection is still not picked up.

I started with "type:"Bible commentary" and subtracted out all your collections which left me with 98 books unaccounted for. The series that seem to me ought to be caught as series are:

  • Asia Bible Commentary Series
  • An Exposition on Prayer in the Bible (James E. Rosscup)
  • Life Lessons (Max Lucado)
  • The People's Bible (see above)
  • Septuagint Commentary Series

One-volume commentaries not picked up include:

  • Dyer, Charles, Eugene Merrill, Charles R. Swindoll, and Roy B. Zuck. Nelson’s Old Testament Survey: Discover the Background, Theology and Meaning of Every Book in the Old Testament. Nashville, TN: Word, 2001.
  • Bailey, Mark, Tom Constable, Charles R. Swindoll, and Roy B. Zuck. Nelson’s New Testament Survey: Discover the Background, Theology and Meaning of Every Book in the New Testament. Nashville: Word, 1999.
  • Radmacher, Earl D., Ronald Barclay Allen, and H. Wayne House. Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary. Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers, 1999.
  • Elwell, Walter A. Evangelical Commentary on the Bible. Vol. 3. Baker Reference Library. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1995.

The remaining 26 items require a bit more research on my part.

Thanks for your work on this.

Just an FYI for those using your collections, I find it useful to have a Jewish commentary collection and a Lectionary-based commentary collection ... I'm sure the latter is no surprise.

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Ted Harms | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 8 2019 3:24 PM

Mark, by all the comments that have been made this must be something that is really helpful. I have limited knowledge to all the finer point of Logos 8 and am not really sure how this will help organize my Library. or what advantage it would be to me to integrate this into my program. Please give me some insight. Thanks for all the work you did.

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