Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 8 Base Packages)

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 8 2019 3:41 PM

Oh, I see where that improvement comes from. Thanks!

I think as long as you update your collection, then in the web update it by clicking the link symbol, then the one who added your resource should automatically see the change.

i think having a testing account is also useful especially the web app can already does a lot of thing so there’s not much overhead to setting one up.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 8 2019 3:56 PM

Ted Harms:
what advantage it would be to me to integrate this into my program

depending upon the size of your library, it can get you to your desired resources quicker. For example, If I search "Matthew 6:9" in my "all commentaries" collection I get 1901 results. I simply can't process that much information for just 1 verse of the 10 that I will preach next Sunday. By dividing into collections I can start with what would be most likely to be relevant to my purpose.  If I was writing a term paper for seminary I would start with "Technical Commentaries" collection, If I'm leading a weekly small group I might just search my "one-volume" collection, If I'm preaching on Sunday morning to a broad audience I would want to be sure to see all my "expository commentaries" collection. Early on in my study (while I'm still making observations on the text but I don't want to put on blinders of one commentator) I'll check my "background commentaries" to open my mind beyond my current cultural setting.

It is kind of like going to the grocery store that has many items, it helps me start on the aisle that is most likely to have my product.

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Ted Harms | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 8 2019 4:39 PM

That is a great explanation. Thanks so much

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 9 2019 12:49 AM

Ted Harms:

Mark, by all the comments that have been made this must be something that is really helpful. I have limited knowledge to all the finer point of Logos 8 and am not really sure how this will help organize my Library. or what advantage it would be to me to integrate this into my program. Please give me some insight. Thanks for all the work you did.

In addition to David's answer about searching, I use these collections in a custom passage guide. The following is taken from the first post (it was at the bottom of the post, but I've now moved it up to be more prominent).

The power of these collections mostly lies in giving you the ability to create a custom passage guide like the one below, which I strongly recommend. That way you can consult different types of commentaries depending on the questions you're asking the text, and were you are in your study. Personally I use technical commentaries first to answer questions of grammar and basic exegesis, before moving to intermediate commentaries for ideas about what to communicate and basic application, and later to expository commentaries to help me think about illustrations and more specific application.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 9 2019 2:17 AM

Thanks a lot, Mark!

It took a while to get figure it all out and get it working, but now it is fine!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 9 2019 1:49 PM

Mark Barnes:
I've added over 200 hundred individual volumes to the shared collections, so the shared collections now include ALL the commentaries I'm aware of, not just those in a series.

Mark, did you note my post just below this post of yours?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 9 2019 3:56 PM

MJ. Smith:

  • Asia Bible Commentary Series
  • An Exposition on Prayer in the Bible (James E. Rosscup)
  • Life Lessons (Max Lucado)
  • The People's Bible (see above)
  • Septuagint Commentary Series

I don't have Asia Bible Commentary Series, Life Lessons, The People’s Bible or Septuagint Commentary Series. To include them, I'd need to know the EXACT series name, and which category they fall into.

An Exposition on Prayer in the Bible is included in Expository.

I don't have Nelson’s Old Testament Survey or Nelson’s New Testament Survey. For technical reasons I'm unable to include resources that are not in a series and that I don't own. Sorry.

Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary (LLS:29.1.34) and Evangelical Commentary on the Bible (LLS:29.1.4) should be picked up by the One Volume collection already.

I'll consider adding a Jewish commentary collection, although I think users might differ sharply in their expectations of whether Messianic Jewish works should be included.

Lectionary-based commentaries would be easier, of course. Does the rule {Series "Feasting on the Word", "Series Ministeria", "The Lectionary Commentary"} plus Thurston's Preaching Mark cover it? The other possibilities I can see ("Lectionary Reflections", Tom Wright's Lent for Everyone and Twelve Months of Sundays) are monographs.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 9 2019 5:51 PM

Mark Barnes:
I don't have Asia Bible Commentary Series, Life Lessons, The People’s Bible or Septuagint Commentary Series. To include them, I'd need to know the EXACT series name, and which category they fall into.

  • Asia Bible Commentary Series [expository]
  • Life Lessons [expository]
  • The People’s Bible [expository]
  • Septuagint Commentary Series [technical]

Mark Barnes:
An Exposition on Prayer in the Bible is included in Expository.

Okay, I discovered I had a user series name ... cleared it and all is well.

Mark Barnes:
I don't have Nelson’s Old Testament Survey or Nelson’s New Testament Survey. For technical reasons I'm unable to include resources that are not in a series and that I don't own. Sorry.

That makes perfect sense.

Mark Barnes:
Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary (LLS:29.1.34) and Evangelical Commentary on the Bible (LLS:29.1.4) should be picked up by the One Volume collection already.

They aren't so I look in to this further.

Mark Barnes:
I'll consider adding a Jewish commentary collection, although I think users might differ sharply in their expectations of whether Messianic Jewish works should be included.

I argued with myself over that, gritted my teeth and included the Messianic works. I have series:("JPS Tanakh Commentary", "Mekhilta de-Rabbi Ishmael","JPS Study Bible Series","The Commentators' Bible","Walk! Messianic Jewish Devotional Commentary","Complete Jewish Bible and Commentary","Arial's Bible Commentary")

Mark Barnes:
Lectionary-based commentaries would be easier, of course. Does the rule {Series "Feasting on the Word", "Series Ministeria", "The Lectionary Commentary"} plus Thurston's Preaching Mark cover it? The other possibilities I can see ("Lectionary Reflections", Tom Wright's Lent for Everyone and Twelve Months of Sundays) are monographs

You're correct that the monograph/Bible commentary issue messes this one up. Yes, your rule works. I will send a note to Kyle on the issue of the 65 monographs.

Thanks for your response.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2019 11:00 AM

Can someone tell me how I can update it please?

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 10 2019 2:11 PM

Tes:

Can someone tell me how I can update it please?

Hi, Tes. Updating is exactly the same process as adding the collections and is described in Mark's OP. See the first diagram and the paragraph just above it.

There is a bug or issue here that I believe I reported or related to one I reported back when Mark first posted the collections to the Public Docs. I haven't confirmed the cause but I think if you delete one of the collections after adding it, then adding it back results in the name of the collection being appended with a counter. I think testing it back at that time I deleted the technical collection so every time I update that collection it doesn't overwrite the existing one but creates a new collection with an appended counter that's incremented from the last time I updated.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 14 2019 11:43 AM

Randy W. Sims:

Tes:

Can someone tell me how I can update it please?

Hi, Tes. Updating is exactly the same process as adding the collections and is described in Mark's OP. See the first diagram and the paragraph just above it.

There is a bug or issue here that I believe I reported or related to one I reported back when Mark first posted the collections to the Public Docs. I haven't confirmed the cause but I think if you delete one of the collections after adding it, then adding it back results in the name of the collection being appended with a counter. I think testing it back at that time I deleted the technical collection so every time I update that collection it doesn't overwrite the existing one but creates a new collection with an appended counter that's incremented from the last time I updated.

Thank you Randy I had this performance already , but my problem is how to update it. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 14 2019 2:52 PM

Tes:
but my problem is how to update it. 

You update it the same way you first added it.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 17 2019 2:25 PM

MJ. Smith:

Tes:
but my problem is how to update it. 

You update it the same way you first added it.

Thank you MJ.smith I am going to try it.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2019 1:44 AM

A small update today:

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2019 9:00 AM

Another small update:

That means all the commentaries from the new Messianic Jewish base packages are now included.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 20 2019 11:27 AM

Do they update automatically in L8 Mark?

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Mike Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 5 2019 10:45 AM

If you add the documents through this link: https://documents.logos.com/users/55595/documents, you can also update them through the same link when Mark updates them.

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 19 2019 8:28 AM

Hi Mark, 

I've finally got round to upgrading to use your collection documents. Thanks for your work on those.

I have come across several commentaries that don't seem to fit in any of yours. Could you consider these when you are next updating your lists?

  • Exalting Jesus series, currently listed as monographs.
  • Romans: Deliverance from Wrath by Zane Hodges
  • Romans by Robert J. Morgan
  • Romans by Scott Hahn and Mark Shea

Thanks again.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 19 2019 8:33 AM

Keener has a new Galatians commentary. I don't think I saw his John one pop up with a tag either. I don't own his acts commentary

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 20 2019 2:55 AM

For performance reasons, I can only add commentaries that either (a) I own, or (b) are part of a series. In this small update, I've added (to the shared collections only):

  • Expository: Resurrection Life in a World of Suffering: 1 Peter
  • Technical: Galatians: A Commentary (Keener)

The rules remain unchanged.

Keener's commentary on John is already in Technical. The "Exalting Jesus" series are excluded because as monographs and eBooks, they're not really useful as commentaries within Logos (also Logos' metadata doesn't have them as part of a series). Morgan's volume on Romans isn't a monograph.

I don't have any volumes in the Catholic Scripture Study series. It looks difficult to classify, although judging from the preview I think it would have to be expository. (I've been thinking about whether 'theological' commentaries need a category of their own.) But if you can let me know the exact series name, I can include it.

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