New Feature: Propositional Outlines

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 8 2014 1:59 AM

Propositional Outlines = Lexham High Definition NT on steroids.

What even better? I use Lexham HD NT together with Propositional Outlines. Cool

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 8 2014 4:18 AM

mike:

Propositional Outlines = Lexham High Definition NT on steroids.

What even better? I use Lexham HD NT together with Propositional Outlines. Cool

As a matter of fact, the Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament was my introduction to Logos. I studied about discourse analysis, put it into practice by analyzing a minority language that I was studying and then got interested in applying the same communication principles to the Bible. That's when I stumbled across Dr. Runge's website (www.ntdiscourse.org) and learned about his analysis of the Greek text. I purchased it. At first I was a little bit disappointed. I was missing two things. First, participant reference and secondly, a propositional analysis. Both seemed to me to be very important parts of the discourse analysis process. I then purchased Logos 5 and with it came the referent dataset which took care of the participant references. It also came with another extra, the reported speech dataset which labels all quoted speech. Now they have added the propositional outline, the last thing I was missing. And as you pointed out, Mike, the nice thing is that this all works together in the LDGNT as well as the LHDNT. Very well done! Very exciting!!! I also like the Bible Book addition in the Factbook. It brings together outlines and structure of a book, purpose and other introduction topics that relate to discourse analysis.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 10 2014 2:37 PM

Schumitinu:

MJ. Smith:

It's the Lexham documentation of the feature.

http://www.bible-resources.org/dox/BI262_Prop_Relations is a PDF on the method and has a number of references to research further.

Thanks! The Lexham Propositional Outlines Glossary has no introduction what so ever. It "only" brings glossary entries. This was my first stop to look for information. But I got none. Unlike the Lexham Theological Wordbook, which has a great introduction explaining the methods behind the work.

I'll check out the PDF you mentioned. Thanks for directing me to it!

We don't yet have a methodological introduction to how this dataset was created. Mark Keaton was the primary author, along with Jeremy Thompson. We built on the existing Cascadia syntactic analysis, but Mark (who was one of the creators of the Bible Sense Lexicon, along with Jeremy and David Witthoff) created the labels he felt he needed to capture the relationships in the text. So in some sense it's really his analytical framework, applied across the different NT books, more than a particular school or framework.

Early on we discussed several ways to represent the information, including ways to represent relationships, box-and-arrow diagrams, and other notations. But we settled on this approach so that we could complete the analysis in time to ship with Logos 6, and to strike a balance between depth of analysis and usability for exegesis.

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 10 2014 7:16 PM

This is a great tool. Will there ever be something similar for Old Testament text?????

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 10 2014 7:19 PM

Mick:
This is a great tool. Will there ever be something similar for Old Testament text?????

Earlier in this thread there was an answer from Logos.

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 10 2014 7:28 PM

Thanks I should have scanned more of the thread before I posted.Smile

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 3:38 AM

Sean Boisen:

Mark (who was one of the creators of the Bible Sense Lexicon, along with Jeremy and David Witthoff) created the labels he felt he needed to capture the relationships in the text. So in some sense it's really his analytical framework, applied across the different NT books, more than a particular school or framework.

Early on we discussed several ways to represent the information, including ways to represent relationships, box-and-arrow diagrams, and other notations. But we settled on this approach so that we could complete the analysis in time to ship with Logos 6, and to strike a balance between depth of analysis and usability for exegesis.

Thanks Sean. I appreciate the work that went into it. As you can see from the responses in this thread we are all excited about the tool. And if need be we can take it further ourselves. It's not that Logos needs to feed us everything. There is great personal reward in doing analysis oneself. And the tool will stimulate that for those that have the ability to do so. But as with everything you produce, an introduction is always helpful.

I also like your decision to put it into the format of a visual filter. This way we can apply it to our favorite Bible versions.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 5 2015 12:50 PM

I like this feature. I found it after the upgrade, but it could have been the main reason to update!

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 16 2015 11:27 PM

I just want to add my two cents that I also love this feature, and I would love it if it came to the OT and to the mobile apps!

For those of you who have been enjoying this feature so far, please add your votes to the UserVoice suggestion I just created to bring the propositional outlines feature to mobile. This would be really nice for studying on a tablet especially.

And thanks again to Faithlife for adding this amazing feature so far! Keep up the good work!

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