Logos 7 - What should it offer?

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 28 2014 10:39 PM

Wait -- I already know the answer! "Fix annoying-thing in Logos 6 first!" :-)

And we will! Multiple Logos 6.x releases are already scheduled, and you can help us prioritize improvements, optimizations, etc.

Visit http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6, which has just been updated to reflect Logos 6 changes.

Re-distribute your votes! Sort by 'Hot' or 'New' to look for things that aren't already at the top of the list.

We really do pay attention to UserVoice -- it's one of the best ways to get your request to the top of our list.

And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set? A completely new feature area? More videos? More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians? Bible words tagged by emotive impact?

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 12:37 AM

1.Built-in OCR PDF converter for PBB.

2.Better integration of the rest of my library into the Guides without me using a self custom collection. (I'm don't know how to put those rules together, neither more than half Logos users).(YOU make the collections NOT us)

3.Make Vyrso resources into Logos's resources. (without custom collection, YOU do the collections)

4.Make the drop down for parallel resource stretchable.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 12:40 AM

mike:

Built-in OCR PDF converter for PBB.

Blessings in Christ.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 12:51 AM

Not sure how I end up being the first to respond to many of your posts, but there it is. I also hesitate to be first because I'm sure you want upbeat, forward-looking ideas. Sorry...decidedly retrograde here. (Ah. good...others snuck in while I was typing.)

Despite Bradley's "It is finished!" pronouncement for notes, I don't see what I'm looking for. Granted, I don't have L6 yet, and I will certainly take a look when I have the chance, but I'm pretty sure the things I want aren't baked into the pie. And User Voice is broken for me--has been for a while. On top of that, I also realize I am beating a very dead horse...even the flies have flown the coop. You've already shot down most of the things I find critical for daily use. But I will go ahead and take the time to screenshot as many of the issues and reasons for them as I can one last time. But it will have to wait until tomorrow, it's too late tonight.

I will say this. While there are a few nifty things you have come out with since L3, I would permanently trade every single feature and data set and search option Logos has created since then in order to get notes to work like they do in L3 (with some minor additional tweaks thrown in). I realize I can't say that notes are more important than search ability, since search abilities generate note fodder, but at least for me, not having a highly utilitarian note function makes the search function nearly worthless. I will attempt to show why and how L3 gets the job done so well tomorrow.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 1:00 AM

mike:
Built-in OCR PDF converter for PBB.

Yup, great idea! I'd use that.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 2:02 AM

1. Continue tagging the existing resources before L7

2. Intelligent links (book version neutral and other functionality)(actually the Bible verse links are kind of advanced links: they can point to any language and version, and in some cases when the verse numbering is different, it can point to the correct content)

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JC54 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 2:10 AM

Bob, I am very happy you are so willing to pay attention to uservoice, but my feeling is that a very small percentage of users is actually using the tool. It might be an idea to have some action or promotion to motivate people to use uservoice. That would give more accurate information on what users want and it would give many users a place to voice their ideas.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 2:19 AM

Johannes Hendrink Menkveld:

Bob, I am very happy you are so willing to pay attention to uservoice, but my feeling is that a very small percentage of users is actually using the tool. It might be an idea to have some action or promotion to motivate people to use uservoice. That would give more accurate information on what users want and it would give many users a place to voice their ideas.

Johannes Hendrink Menkveld:

Bob, I am very happy you are so willing to pay attention to uservoice, but my feeling is that a very small percentage of users is actually using the tool. It might be an idea to have some action or promotion to motivate people to use uservoice. That would give more accurate information on what users want and it would give many users a place to voice their ideas.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6,

Blessings in Christ.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 2:29 AM

Johannes Hendrink Menkveld:

Bob, I am very happy you are so willing to pay attention to uservoice, but my feeling is that a very small percentage of users is actually using the tool. It might be an idea to have some action or promotion to motivate people to use uservoice. That would give more accurate information on what users want and it would give many users a place to voice their ideas.

You are probably right ... but I'm not feeling terribly generous at the moment. If a user doesn't care enough to use uservoice, should their voice count for much? I say that as someone who encouraged uservoice because I saw it used well with a different company. I use it when I care intensely about a feature; I ignore it when I don't have an axe to grind. At the moment not all my votes are used because I am deliberately thinking I have no particular vested interests and my votes would be split among several worthy suggestions based upon my whim of the day ... I'd rather not vote.

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James Hudson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 3:31 AM

MJ. Smith:
If a user doesn't care enough to use uservoice

Hi,

I agrree with your sentiments, but I, for one, care passionately about Logos wanting it to become the best software and best user experience to enable users to study God's Word and makle preparation of sermons, personal and academic study as easy as possible.

However, I stopped using UserVoice as it was clear that it was not being used by Logos employees. (evidence: rare comment from employees / very little marked as started and a few comments explaining why they won't be doing them - over the last 3 years).

However, I was heartened by Bob's emboldened statement that they are now going to start using it again.

I would like to see evidence for this by Logos putting a 'started' for (say) the top 10 user requests! [I still don't have the confdence yet that that will actually happen - if it doesn't then I still have to wonder whether they really want customers opinions!]

I would then hope after the first 10 are implemented, they then move on to the next 10, and so on! That would show real commitment to 'User Voice'.

James

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JC54 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 4:21 AM

MJ. Smith:
You are probably right ... but I'm not feeling terribly generous at the moment.

I am not (only) talking about generosity. I think there are serious users with serious opinion worth listening to, that are just not aware of the existence of uservoice. I, for one, accidentally ran into it while roaming the forums, but if I weren't into reading forumposts I'd never have known of its existence...

So a one time promotion could increase the amount of users at uservoice and a bigger group of users attracts more users, and (probably) more attention from Logos. So uservoice would actually be a more interesting place for your thoughts than the forums (because at the moment I would launch an idea at the forums and not at uservoice).

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 5:12 AM

I know that this won't be a popular request but I'd love to see Latin resources morphologically tagged - especially key grammars and Bibles.

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Benny | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 5:31 AM

Bruce Dunning:

I'd love to see Latin resources morphologically tagged - especially key grammars and Bibles.

+1

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 5:42 AM

I've mentioned it in previous forums and on user voice but since you asked I guess I can re-post it here (I thought Ask the Author was going to fill this need but as far as I can tell it only provides a way to dialogue with the author and doesn't give me the information I'm looking for):

Almost every reference book I buy has a brief author bio on either the back cover or inner jacket. This info may contain the titles of other books written by the author, their education, hobbies, etc. This info is especially helpful when reading a work by an author you aren't familiar with. I assume that almost every book Logos publishes (at least that's been written in the last 50 years or so) would have this excerpt.

Why not include it as a section in the Resource Information window for each book? For older works you could have a general bio for well known authors like Plato, Anselm, etc. This would be especially helpful as I read through things like commentaries which have different volumes written by different authors. Some authors I know, some I don't. I'd like to be able to read the same bio I can see on the back of the print edition.

On most of the product pages I look at I can see that Logos already has this author information. It usually appears in the "About" section on the product page when you are ordering a new book. (For example, scroll to the bottom of this page to read about author Wayne Grudem.)

The information is already there and Logos already has it, I'd just like to see that same information applied to the resource information window in my resources. In my personal opinion that would be more helpful than say "Search Fields" and "Indexes" which already appear there (at least for non-power users.)

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Michael Parry-Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 5:48 AM

There are many resources that have not been updated to work with version 6, from previous builds

it would be good to have a place on the website where we could enter the titles of resources that do not work correctly because of changes in new versions of the software

this has got to be a positive way of identifying problematic resources that could even cause instability in the programme due to links not working correctly to other resources due to changes,

Mick
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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 6:36 AM

Bob Pritchett:
And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set? A completely new feature area? More videos? More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians? Bible words tagged by emotive impact?

I would like to have the "today's readings" on the homepage be available as a window panel so that I don't have to switch between the homepage and my Bible for each reading.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 6:40 AM

I don't think that my suggestion should be on user voice because it has already been planned (or at least discussed) by Faithlife. But I would love to see the PBB store that was at one time in the rumor mill implemented.

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19 Let us then pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.

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Kevin Olson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 6:44 AM

Bob Pritchett:

Wait -- I already know the answer! "Fix annoying-thing in Logos 6 first!" :-)

And we will! Multiple Logos 6.x releases are already scheduled, and you can help us prioritize improvements, optimizations, etc.

Visit http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6, which has just been updated to reflect Logos 6 changes.

Re-distribute your votes! Sort by 'Hot' or 'New' to look for things that aren't already at the top of the list.

We really do pay attention to UserVoice -- it's one of the best ways to get your request to the top of our list.

And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set? A completely new feature area? More videos? More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians? Bible words tagged by emotive impact?

It would be great if you would do with Systematic Theologies what you have done with Ancient Literature in the passage guide.  Under the Topic Guide, and/or under the Factbook, please put a link to all the sections of the Systematic Theologies that are in your library for the given topic.

(For Logos 6, I wish you would put the NET Bible Notes under the Textual Variant Notes.)  

Great job on Logos 6!

Blessings,

Kevin 

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 6:44 AM

Bob Pritchett:

Wait -- I already know the answer! "Fix annoying-thing in Logos 6 first!" :-)

And we will! Multiple Logos 6.x releases are already scheduled, and you can help us prioritize improvements, optimizations, etc.

Visit http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6, which has just been updated to reflect Logos 6 changes.

Re-distribute your votes! Sort by 'Hot' or 'New' to look for things that aren't already at the top of the list.

We really do pay attention to UserVoice -- it's one of the best ways to get your request to the top of our list.

And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set? A completely new feature area? More videos? More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians? Bible words tagged by emotive impact?

1. A super-intelligent and super-intuitive unified Search box that will understand what I'm looking for in plain English, and decide for me what type of search (Basic, Bible, Everything, Morph, etc) will best satisfy what answer the user is looking for.  Basically a super-Fuzzy search on steroids, as smart as Google search.  Maybe even combine the generic Search box with the Command box (relax the strict syntax needed for the Command box to recognize more human language-like commands) e.g "stop receiving beta updates" "open my top 3 bibles to Jn 3:16" "define ectypal" "what are the Greek words that translate to love in English" "what's an omer". In other words, build a Google-style single search box for the non-technical lay user to direct them to the right resources, guides, tools that are currently powerfully built into Logos 6 but are overwhelming and daunting to discover, learn, and use effectively.

2. Make the Windows desktop app as touch friendly as the iOS apps, especially fix scrolling problems and make highlighting as easy and intuitive with finger without a mouse or stylus. (I hope this will be in the 6.x roadmap and we don't have to wait till Logos 7).

3. Massively migrate useful new features from Logos 6 to the mobile apps And make the mobile apps more functional offline.

4. Rethink the Faithlife Groups platform and make it more useful to yhe broader Logos user base beyond the minority who currently use it for private small Bible study groups. Thinking along he lines of the YouVersion / Facebook worldwide connectivity paradigm rather than the church small group usage.

5. Radical rethink of the constant download / reindexing paradigm. I know I can turn off automatic downloads but can the reindexing be rethought through so that it happens so quickly (a few seconds) for most machines in most cases (e.g. after downloading a couple of Vyrso books) that it can simply be done in the background without notifying the user or slowing down the machine.

Peter

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 29 2014 6:46 AM

Yes, I think the latin support should be 'next'.  In my quest to reduce the massive update downloading, I deleted my english Perseus, and kept the greek and latin texts, the latter with the assumption Logos would eventually get around to it (if not already).  Even yesterday, in the Muratorian book, they were referencing the old latin texts.

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Relative to MJ's comment about using UserVoice, I've used it maybe once for something fgh wanted. Maybe it works for Logos.  My thinking is that their development should follow their strategies.  In the latin example, if it plugs into Noet or Verbum sufficiently (market growth), then there's the answer.  If their observations on L3 were correct (many features not used), then I'd also wonder about the actual user base ... what do they actually use?

I think many of 'us' have mentioned a more easy-to-use version (or same engine, just thin it down) for entry level in the churches, but that will never happen.

Most of my whining hasn't been on new features (I'm coming around on Sense Lexicon), but implementation of 'fixes'.  I still don't understand how the designer(s) think.  Sort of 'our way or the highway ... options just cause a lot of phone calls'.  The iOS scroll option was just the opposite, this week. Refreshing.

Anyway, I'm not a good source. I'm still on L5 and of course .... Libby!!


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