BUG: Very Frustrating Text Selection Error

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 1 2015 10:26 AM

I'm trying to build a rather extensive reading plan, and in trying to simplify the process, would like to use the Windows-standard method of selecting a passage of text. I first highlight a couple lines at the start of the text, like this-

Then I scroll down to where the end of the passage will be, and hold down the Shift key and click to select the passage, like this-

I scrolled back to the top to make sure the selection was correct, and it was not. For some reason, a couple words along with a portion of a word preceding the desired selection was highlighted, as here-

This will screw up the reading plan (which is intended to be a public, shared plan). This leaves me with clicking and dragging, which makes finding the end of the passage very difficult. The error is repeatable.

Any help?

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 10:43 AM

Yes. In Program Settings, set Smart Text Selection to No and see if that works. It should.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 10:49 AM

SineNomine:

Yes. In Program Settings, set Smart Text Selection to No and see if that works. It should.

Thanks for the tip, but I turned Smart Text Selection off the first day it was added. I hate it. I'll go back and check to be sure it hasn't been turned on remotely by some gremlin, but I'm sure it's off.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 12:57 PM

I cannot reproduce the issue whether holding Shift whilst scrolling or pressing Shift at the end.

I wonder if your Page visual filter is affecting it?

EDIT: with Show Page # ON I can reproduce the issue.

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rod.bergen@p2c.com | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 1:22 PM

Doc B:
I turned Smart Text Selection off the first day it was added. I hate it.

Same exact thing happened to me.  The powers that be decided to override your prior choice when you upgraded to Logos 6 because they couldn't hardly conceive that anyone would want to opt out.

So you have to opt out again.

Another typical example of programmers knowing better than users what we want.  I wasted an hour of time that i didn't have trying to figure out why I couldn't cut and paste the same way that i did in L5

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 2:37 PM

Doc, I am not sure whether this is the answer to your problem or not, but I had a vaguely similar problem until I realized that regardless of what you highlight, a couple lines or a paragraph, it will switch it to correspond to what is selected in the context menu (selection, paragraph, etc). So this can "throw off" your selection. One needs to make sure to switch as needed in the context menu. I wonder if this has to do with your problem as well? Or are you not using the context menu at all?

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 2:48 PM

Dave Hooton:
EDIT: with Show Page # ON I can reproduce the issue.

Yes, I have Show Page # turned on, as that is the only way I can follow the printed reading plan. If I turn it off, the highlighting might work, but I won't be able to follow the plan.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 2:50 PM

Francis:
it will switch it to correspond to what is selected in the context menu (selection, paragraph, etc). So this can "throw off" your selection. One needs to make sure to switch as needed in the context menu.

This would make sense except for one thing...how is a part of a word part of some context in the context menu? (See my previous screen shot for the partial word being included.)

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 4:31 PM

I have not seen exactly this same behavior, but I have had times when the standard Windows scroll-and-shift+click-to-extend-selection thing doesn't work because you've inadvertently scrolled beyond the maximum amount of text that Logos will allow you to select. They will then adjust the beginning boundary for you, so that you can't copy and paste more than the allowed amount.

For example, start a selection at "John Calvin to the Reader" and then scroll down to the end of Book Three, Chapter XI. Then Shift+Click to try to extend the selection to there (a ridiculously large amount of text). Scroll back up and see that you've only selected a small portion of the last chapter:

I've never seen it actually enlarge your selection, though. In particular, I cannot reproduce the problem you described on that particular section of the book. That action gets the whole indented selection for me, and nothing more:

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 4:54 PM

Rosie Perera:
I've never seen it actually enlarge your selection, though. In particular, I cannot reproduce the problem you described on that particular section of the book. That action gets the whole indented selection for me, and nothing more:

Have you tried it with the page number visual filter?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 5:04 PM

SineNomine:

Rosie Perera:
I've never seen it actually enlarge your selection, though. In particular, I cannot reproduce the problem you described on that particular section of the book. That action gets the whole indented selection for me, and nothing more:

Have you tried it with the page number visual filter?

Aha, no I hadn't. But I just did, and when I have that VF turned on I can reproduce it (though the selection boundary is different for me that for Doc B):

Weird. I wonder if having other VFs turned on adjusts the selection boundaries. These are the ones I have turned on:

When I turn all of them off but page numbers, I still get the selection beginning at "himself". But I have no highlighting in this book. Doc B, do you have any highlighting, and could that account for the discrepancy? What happens if you turn off all your VFs?

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 5:55 PM

Rosie Perera:
Doc B, do you have any highlighting, and could that account for the discrepancy? What happens if you turn off all your VFs?

I have no highlighting in this resource. I have all my visual filters off except for the Show page numbers, which is essential for me to follow the PDF reading plan that I downloaded from the Facebook group page.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 6:03 PM

Doc B:
I have all my visual filters off except for the Show page numbers, which is essential for me to follow the PDF reading plan that I downloaded from the Facebook group page.

You can tell what page you're on by looking in the reference box above. As you scroll across a page boundary, that page number will change.

Also, the middle column of that reading plan (if it's the one I think you downloaded, the PDF from Chapel Library, from the pinned post on the Facebook group page) gives section numbers, so you don't need to know the page numbers if you're selecting sections.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 6:17 PM

Rosie Perera:
from the pinned post on the Facebook group page) gives section numbers, so you don't need to know the page numbers

Rosie, you've greatly overestimated my interest in converting Roman numbers to Arabic ones. Smile

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 1 2015 10:23 PM

Doc B:
Rosie, you've greatly overestimated my interest in converting Roman numbers to Arabic ones. Smile

Oh, I thought everyone could read Roman numerals with ease. Wink Sorry for my false assumption.

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 2 2015 11:16 AM

Thank you. I have reproduced the issue and have written up a case for it.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 13 2015 4:22 AM

This is reported as fixed in 6.0b RC2.

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Angela Murashov | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 14 2015 2:10 PM

Mark Barnes:

This is reported as fixed in 6.0b RC2.

6.0b is now available for stable users, including this fix.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 14 2015 5:09 PM

Angela Murashov:
6.0b is now available for stable users, including this fix.

Great news.  Thanks!

I'm next going to try to do a custom one-year reading plan for Grudem's Systematic Theology...this fix will save me a LOT of time.

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