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  • Re: Dear Logos for the general user you've got it ass-backwards teaching understanding before use

    How did the message of Jesus Christ ever survive without a deep, complex, massive, and internet based bible search program? Perhaps FL design team could take a few pointers on complexity of use from the First Century approach to messaging.
    Posted to Suggestions by Rene Atchley on Tue, Dec 8 2020
  • Re: Wordsearch Sales Agents vs. Logos Sales Agents

    What may seem obvious, after a few interactions, with FL sales reps is that the company seems to place marketing/sales as a priority in customer interactions over the agenda of Word sales reps.
    Posted to General by Rene Atchley on Tue, Nov 24 2020
  • Re: Frustrated former Wordsearch Customer

    [quote user="Denise"] [quote user="Rene Atchley"]I suppose further discussion of the obvious will lead to some sort of forum violation.[/quote] Rene, Rene, Rene. You didn't seriously think you could say something negative about FL, and not precede it by saying how you love Logos oh so much, except for just a tiny little detail. Did you not expect the
    Posted to Logos 9 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Wed, Nov 18 2020
  • Re: Frustrated former Wordsearch Customer

    [quote user="Joseph Turner"] [quote user="Rene Atchley"]Not so hard to find a product without such an amazing and romantic approach considering the market is monopolized by a company (or ministry or dating service or TV station or college book publisher) who can charge up to $10k for digitized public domain products. Of course the good old days of Standard
    Posted to Logos 9 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Wed, Nov 18 2020
  • Re: Frustrated former Wordsearch Customer

    [quote user="Mike Binks"] [quote user="Rene Atchley"] Indeed Logos is annoying, expensive, counter intuitive, and generally an indirect piece of software that takes several steps where one could suffice. However, it doesn't matter since the business model of the company is making money (I suppose) and its not going to change unless the ownership changes
    Posted to Logos 9 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Tue, Nov 17 2020
  • Re: Frustrated former Wordsearch Customer

    Indeed Logos is annoying, expensive, counter intuitive, and generally an indirect piece of software that takes several steps where one could suffice. However, it doesn't matter since the business model of the company is making money (I suppose) and its not going to change unless the ownership changes. In a way my best advice is to accept the world of
    Posted to Logos 9 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Tue, Nov 17 2020
  • Re: Best Values Among the Logos 9 Base Packages

    Unless one has specialized needs such as academic related reasons then any of the standard Bronze packages might be a good compromise between value and cost.
    Posted to General by Rene Atchley on Sun, Nov 15 2020
  • Re: New in Logos 9: Counseling Guide

    I have taken a quick look at the counseling guide with some interest in its development. On one hand I find the connected listing with related as almost a useless tool for my day-to-day work as a licensed therapist (LCSW/LISW/MSW)/D. Min). On the other hand if this tool can be used, simplified, and meaningful then it is likely that my pocketbook will
    Posted to Logos 9 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Sat, Oct 31 2020
  • Re: Logos 8 Bronze --> Logos 9 Bronze?

    I got the upgrad to 9 Bronze recently....as usual it seems ok. Personally I don't need 10k of books with 50% public domain for huge sums of cash. Seems to me that Bronze is worth the effort to get a max benefit at minimum cost.
    Posted to Logos 9 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Fri, Oct 30 2020
  • Re: Logos 9

    [quote user="Myke Harbuck"] [quote user="Rene Atchley"] If the coding dept. was as determined as the marketing dept. issues with initial releases wouldn't exist....although trying out beta ware at slightly discounted prices can be entertaining... [/quote] I get what you're saying and understand your sentiment, but I would like to suggest an alternate
    Posted to General by Rene Atchley on Thu, Oct 22 2020
  • Re: Logos 9

    If the coding dept. was as determined as the marketing dept. issues with initial releases wouldn't exist....although trying out beta ware at slightly discounted prices can be entertaining...
    Posted to General by Rene Atchley on Thu, Oct 22 2020
  • Re: Silver or Bronze?

    [quote user="Lynden Williams"] [quote user="Rene Atchley"]package since we can develop a payment plan to get that cash....just sign here please.[/quote] Where do you want me to sign? [/quote] Lol...are looking you for the economy $10k starting minimum starter edition or our semi-deluxe $20K Useful edition (with most databases)?
    Posted to Logos 8 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Wed, Oct 21 2020
  • Re: Silver or Bronze?

    Personally I have had one edition or another of Logos since 1992...starting with the Scholar edition. What I have found it is better to start with the entry level package (Bronze) then make additions as necessary as one learns what the most important resources necessary for effective bible study. There is always a justification and a company marketing
    Posted to Logos 8 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Tue, Oct 20 2020
  • Re: What base package?

    A simple answer might be with discount Bronze to start and without discount Starter....then see how your needs develop in future...then buy what you need.
    Posted to Wordsearch Bible Software by Rene Atchley on Sat, Oct 3 2020
  • Re: Bible Software Consolidation -- Who's Next?

    There was two things that I took away from a Wesleyan/Methodist view on theology and faith was a) the text is primary and b) theology is opinion on/about the text. From this perspective the approach to text work from Logos seems little more than an attempt to use ai to spit out predigested assumptions, conclusions, and speculations from "expert" about
    Posted to General by Rene Atchley on Thu, Oct 1 2020
  • Re: Is Fundamentals Decent? What is it missing?

    Logos seems to have a different system of working when doing bible study or other kinds of bible related work (Counseling). From my experience the difference isn't the books in a library (like WS) rather it is the sum total of data that is searched by the AI to generate the results from that database...sort of like the difference between Excel vs. WordPerfect
    Posted to Logos 8 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Sun, Sep 27 2020
  • Re: Is Fundamentals Decent? What is it missing?

    I would suggest a starter or Bronze set to really get a feel for the software. The strength of Logos (imo) lies in the breadth of the data (library) that the AI engine uses to give results.
    Posted to Logos 8 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Sun, Sep 27 2020
  • Re: Enough with the WordSearch brouhaha...I want what I paid for.

    Perhaps the question then is Logos, in whatever form, done right when a person spends thousands of dollars on a product and significant parts don't work. After all the Pinto was done right in many ways...it just had an itty bitty problem. Personally I have about $1500 wrapped up in this beast over 25 years but I still would use any possible alternative
    Posted to Logos 8 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Wed, Sep 23 2020
  • Re: Enough with the WordSearch brouhaha...I want what I paid for.

    Well one could go down the rabbit hole of problems with Logos...which seem numerous in program implementation. Yet I would ask the questions about user concerns in a different way. When the core product is constantly supplemated, in pursuit of profit, with multiple other lines of products (i.e. dating services, secular products, TV channels, purchasing
    Posted to Logos 8 Desktop App by Rene Atchley on Wed, Sep 23 2020
  • Re: Logos Is Too Expensive

    [quote user="Mark Smith"] [quote user="Rene Atchley"]which is now a near monopoly[/quote] I imagine you read Bob Pritchett's comment in the thread on last man standing in the Bible software marketplace: I think of our space as incredibly competitive -- while QuickVerse and BibleWorks and PC Study Bible have faded as competitors, YouVersion, BibleHub
    Posted to General by Rene Atchley on Tue, Sep 22 2020
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