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  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    [quote user="David Ames"] ... or did your programing class skip GOTO? [/quote] Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Thu, Jan 12 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    I see your point. In this case, they are trying to get get people to agree to a joke. At least they put in point (c) which enabled people to by-pass the joke. If they had not said that, I would have been reluctant to use the website if I were to go there. I mean these websites that say "by reason of the use of this website, you agree that you understand
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Tue, Jan 10 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Hi Rick; Thanks for the reply. What a useful tool - logos in the academic setting, I wasn't aware of that - the potential is enormous, with many benefits. However, and we would have to check, it is possible that the academic version might have a different end user license agreement because of the educational setting. The definition of fair use includes
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Jan 6 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    An additional note to all this is that the license actually tells us in the first paragraph that the package is intended for personal use. "You may load it on both for your personal use" ( http://www.logos.com/ArticleViewer/2090 ). So now we can ask another question of interpretation, and that is what is "personal use?" Does it mean that you can use
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Tue, Jan 3 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Good idea!
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Tue, Jan 3 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Another matter that comes to mind in these discussions is the extent to which we are required by law to give the reference for the quoted material. How much information do you actually have to give about the source of the quote? Can you just state the name of the author, or just the name of the publisher without giving the date and page number for the
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Mon, Jan 2 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Now as to fair use . That is a separate matter and it has less to do with Logos and more to do with the individual copyright holders of the copyrighted books in Logos. This is assuming we can get around the Logos 4 EULA and actually copy content into external documents. Now, does the publisher of the original work allow for small portions to be quoted
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Mon, Jan 2 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Thanks for that fgh : I didn't see that the license explains these terms for it's self. So according to the logos 4 license (see http://www.logos.com/ArticleViewer/2090 - “License grant”): Content = electronic text, graphics, audio or other resources - To my understanding this includes the books public domain or otherwise Documentation = related explanatory
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Mon, Jan 2 2012
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Hi Rick, According to how I have interpreted it so far, no the EULA does not deal with only with the software. It also deals with the content of the books. That is why there is a distinction made in the EULA between "content" and "documentation". Content refers to what is in the books. Documentation refers to the stuff the program is made of. Both are
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Thanks Super Tramp. I have not used Logos 4 content in any of my presentations yet, although I would like to, and that is because of the End User License Agreement (EULA) that I was asked to agree to when I loaded the Logos software. That is the reason I started this discussion because I know the Logos resource could make my presentations much nicer
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    I can see your point. I am sure the police in America have more important things to do than to chase after villians who are copying 501 words from the logos content instead of the 500 words expressly allowed by the publisher. However, sometimes publishers may split hairs especially when it comes to the re-use of photos and clip art in copyrighted works
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: Evernote Integration!

    Depending on the nature of the notes that are placed into evernote, the automatic bibliographic reference that is generated would have to be two-fold. It should state (1) that the copied content came from Logos 4 and (2) that the copyright in the copied content belongs to the specified copyright owner. Since the EULA for Logos 4 does not allow for this
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    So here are some more suggestions about what logos can do about this. I am trusting God that we have the mind of Christ in this. (1) They can change the EULA as suggested above. Although this might be quite a process. (2) They can get permission from the copyright holders for logos users to copy portions of the content within certain restrictions. Kind
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    You have a point, however, it doesn't change the fact that they have said that " You may not ... c opy the Software or Content except to make archival or backup copies as provided above". So that brings us back to level 1 - before we even get to the publisher, we have to deal with the logos EULA to copy portions of the content into our own documents
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: Evernote Integration!

    Not all logos users have heard of evernote software (nevermind onenote) so perhaps you could tell us where to get it, and why it is better than MSword, or opensource office. It might have to be part of the logos 4 package when you buy the original software, otherwise those who don't have evernote will see the icon/option there and never use it - just
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Fri, Dec 30 2011
  • Re: New Posting Milestone for Keep Smiling 4 Jesus - 6,000 posts

    Since he has no name, I think I am going to call him "Rainbow". A rainbow is a symbol of God's covenant faithfulness to show mercy, which is another reason to SMILE!
    Posted to General by Christopher Gunter on Thu, Dec 29 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Perhaps a more useful suggestion would be for logos 4 to change their EULA to say that the content of each book is governed by each individual publisher, and that for quotes and use of the content of the book, the individual publisher must be consulted. Public domain books may be used without permission. In doing so, they could leave out the clause
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Thu, Dec 29 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    I actually was already thinking of going to a lawyer in South Africa about certain copyright issues. However, I know that our Heavenly Advocate is helping us get this straight without having to spend too much money on lawyers for what might turn out to be an obviously easy answer. As I am thinking more deeply about this, I can see there are different
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Thu, Dec 29 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Thanks for the link to the website. Apparently fair use includes (among other things) criticism, research, scholarship, teaching, and comment, but it must be for non-profit, educational purposes. Also the idea is that you don't affect the potential market or value of the copied work. Nevertheless, sometimes the copying is part of a commercial product
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Thu, Dec 29 2011
  • Re: Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use

    Thanks for that, however, what exactly are the boundries of fair use? Isn't it only educational use and non-commercial use? That means I cannot sell the sermons with logos content in them. I can only use them to give away for free?! In addition to that, I am in South Africa and you are possibly in America, the definition of fair use may be different
    Posted to Suggestions by Christopher Gunter on Thu, Dec 29 2011
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