Search for preposition used in a certain case.
Is there a way to, for example, search for:
περι + genitive
Thanks!
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I would swear that I saw a post by a Logos employee recently that specified multiple values for a single column in the morph coding which would allow the collapsing of the @NG, @JG and @DG ... but for the life of me I don't remember enough about it to find it in a google search.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Fr Devin Roza said:
It looks as though you only need one "@"
But this does give slightly different results to the longer form of the search - still 222 verses but 482 results as opposed to 504 and I can't work out why
(A detail, in your longer search you have "V?????G" and in the list you have "V??P??G". I used "V?????G" in mine)
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Graham Criddle said:
It looks as though you only need one "@"
Golly gee willikers, Graham, you're right! [:O]
With the NA28, this search gives 554 results in 250 verses, which is identical to the results of the longer query, so it works!
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Ah, I've finally proved that the syntax I was thinking of works only on the columns after the first selection. You can do things like @N[AN[ but you can't do @[NJD]G as I had thought.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thats awesome, thanks so much!
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Graham Criddle said:
It looks as though you only need one "@"
Hmmm.... would this be documented anywhere?
Graham Criddle said:But this does give slightly different results to the longer form of the search - still 222 verses but 482 results as opposed to 504 and I can't work out why
Why fewer results?
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Lee said:
Hmmm.... would this be documented anywhere?
I don't think so... I had checked the Wiki about this point before my initial post, and didn't find anything. It would certainly be worth adding, along with the trick that MJ mentioned of using the [] after the initial choice of the part of speech.
Lee said:
Why fewer results?
It's related to the fact that a lot of Greek words aren't translated, especially definitive articles ("the") that aren't necessary in English. Just the untranslated definite articles account for 34 of those "missing" results (try searching for lemma:περί BEFORE 1 WORDS @DG in a Greek vs English to test).
Basically, if you want to make sure your numbers are correct and aren't missing anything, you need to search against a Greek NT. Then you can always use "Add version" to add an English translation to read along.
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Fr Devin Roza said:
It's related to the fact that a lot of Greek words aren't translated, especially definitive articles ("the") that aren't necessary in English. Just the untranslated definite articles account for 34 of those "missing" results (try searching for lemma:περί BEFORE 1 WORDS @DG in a Greek vs English to test).
Basically, if you want to make sure your numbers are correct and aren't missing anything, you need to search against a Greek NT. Then you can always use "Add version" to add an English translation to read along.
Thanks, I forgot Graham was searching against an English translation.
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Graham Criddle said:
and it can be περί BEFORE 1 WORDS @(NG, R??G, JG, V??P??G, DG)
So i updated the search help wiki accordingly. It expands correctly when you click on Bible Search.
Graham Criddle said:But this does give slightly different results to the longer form of the search
In ESV the counts difference is due to Mt 18:19 - the interlinear panel will show 3 Greek words (in the same cell) that satisfy the morphology and the OR method seems to count 2 for each match (=6) whilst the List method seems to count 1 + (3 in list) = 4.
In SBLGNT the difference is due to Acts 25:19 where τινος has 2 matching morphologies and the results are also due to OR counting vs. List counting.
Dave
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Thanks Dave
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