New Feature: Systematic Theology Section (Dataset)
What is it?
A dataset that gathers all the cross references from your systematic theology resources on a specific passage and organizes them according to denominational affiliation.
How does it work?
Logos searches your systematic theology resources for biblical references and then organizes the results according to standard theological categories. These results are then further broken down according to the denominational affiliation of the author. Discover what Baptist, Lutheran, and Presbyterian theologians say about a specific passage of Scripture as it relates to the doctrine of the Bible.
Where can I learn more?
Watch it in action here. https://logos.wistia.com/medias/oyle16w0w8
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Liam said:
Wow this looks really useful! Is there a list of which systematic theologies are tagged to work with this tool? Will there be a way to purchase this tool that does not require a monthly subscription? A new datasets package of some kind?
Hi Liam.
I've attached a PDF that has a list of the systematic theologies (as of today, June 29, 2015) broken down by group/tradition.
0045.SystematicTheologiesResources-2015-06-29.pdf
At present, this is a Logos Now feature/tool.
Rick Brannan
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Thanks for your interest! At the moment, Logos Now and Logos Cloud will be the only ways to access this dataset. You can always sign up for a free month trial to Logos Cloud or Logos Now (if you haven't already done so). I believe it will be available at the premium level of Logos Cloud. I
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
I've attached a PDF that has a list of the systematic theologies
Thank you, I was also interested in this
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
I've attached a PDF that has a list of the systematic theologies (as of today, June 29, 2015) broken down by group/tradition.
Woah! Nice list! Checking out the feature now!
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Also, I've shared a collection file that has these systematic theologies. You can access it here.
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Jacob,
I have the free trial version of Logos Cloud for the month, but I'm not able to access the systematic theology feature. Is this available for those using the free trial (for the next 2 days) or is it only available for those who paid for the subscription?
Thanks
Edit: Ah just saw that you said it would be available for the premium version. I don't remember which version the free one was, but maybe it wasn't the premium.
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Logos Cloud is getting updated right now. Should be done by noonish.
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Also, Systematic Theologies is a 6.4 feature, so that version of the software is required along with the proper license.
Rick Brannan
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This is available to anyone with the free trial or the paid version. I think that the release is now live. Check by typing "Update Now" in the command box of the program. Let me know if this works.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Logos Cloud is getting updated right now. Should be done by noonish.
Yep, I can confirm. I got the friendly 201.2 MB of updates downloading now notification. [<:o)]
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Also, for those of you who are interested in filling out all the dataset with all the systematic theologies we have (and that are in this feature), you can find the feature collection here.
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James Taylor said:
Yep, I can confirm. I got the friendly 201.2 MB of updates downloading now notification.
Excellent!
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Jacob Cerone said:
Also, for those of you who are interested in filling out all the dataset with all the systematic theologies we have (and that are in this feature), you can find the feature collection here.
Great idea! Thanks for compiling this
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Jacob Cerone said:
This is available to anyone with the free trial or the paid version. I think that the release is now live. Check by typing "Update Now" in the command box of the program. Let me know if this works.
OK, it says it's been downloaded in my updates drop down, but does not show up in the passage guide at all.
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Did you restart?
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Liam said:
yeah, ive restarted twice now, and nothing yet. I'll try one more time.
You're still running Logos 6.3. As Rick mentioned above, the dataset requires Logos 6.4 (which just became available less than an hour ago). Try entering "update now" in the Command Box and see if that will trigger the application update.
Though, restarting should have also triggered this, so I'm not entirely sure why you're not updated. At any rate, this section won't be visible until you're running Logos 6.4 (6.4.0.0037).
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Seems to work, could not find any Lutheran, though
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This may be due to what's in your personal library. Unlike the Ancient Literature and Cultural Concepts sections, the Systematic Theology section will only return results from what is in your library.
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Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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Jacob Cerone said:
Also, I've shared a collection file that has these systematic theologies. You can access it here.
Thank you - this is a big step forward for Logos users.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Liam said:
Hmm. I've had to redownload the update to this version 3 times. It reaches 100% and then restarts the download. Does anyone have any tips on how to complete the download?
You may need to contact our Tech Support, but I know they are well versed in handling these sorts of issues.
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Any Chance we can get Larry Hart's "Truth Aflame: Theology for the Church in Renewal" that is in Vyrso added to the dataset?
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Veli Voipio said:
I bought one Lutheran systematic theology resource (not Pieper) from the list (You can access it here ) and tested once more, and now mine has also Lutheran links
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As a new user this is one of the most exciting features I've seen in Logos 6 so far. Too bad I spent almost 600 dollars and can't get it without a monthly subscription. It would be nice to use functionality with the new 179 dollar Bavinck set I just bought too. Does this really have to be an additional fee to use when we've spent so much money already?
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Alex Houston said:
Does this really have to be an additional fee to use when we've spent so much money already?
Should the developers keep eating? [;)]
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Alex Houston said:
As a new user this is one of the most exciting features I've seen in Logos 6 so far.
Thanks for the feedback, Alex. Glad to hear it. And welcome to the forums.
Alex Houston said:Too bad I spent almost 600 dollars and can't get it without a monthly subscription. It would be nice to use functionality with the new 179 dollar Bavinck set I just bought too. Does this really have to be an additional fee to use when we've spent so much money already?
This feature represents a significant amount of data work identifying, organizing, and classifying hundreds of systematic theology and then classifying their Bible references by various areas of systematic theology. Our business model is to charge for content: book content, data content, interactive content, and media content. But typically we provide code free of charge (at least eventually; Logos Now provides early access to code/features that will be freely available later).
By charging for this data, it enables us to reinvest back into creating even more features for theological study. There are several really exciting ideas we'd like to pursue (see here and here), and with the necessary resources we'll be able to make them a reality.
I'd encourage you to give Logos Now a try. You can evaluate it for a full 30 days and then decide whether it offers enough value to warrant the $7.50 (if you opt to pay annually) per month. You could also consider subscribing to Logos Now when you need access to this data and feature and then temporarily canceling your subscription when you don't need it.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
This feature represents a significant amount of data work identifying, organizing, and classifying hundreds of systematic theology and then classifying their Bible references by various areas of systematic theology. Our business model is to charge for content: book content, data content, interactive content, and media content. But typically we provide code free of charge (at least eventually; Logos Now provides early access to code/features that will be freely available later).
By charging for this data, it enables us to reinvest back into creating even more features for theological study. There are several really exciting ideas we'd like to pursue (see here and here), and with the necessary resources we'll be able to make them a reality.
I'd encourage you to give Logos Now a try. You can evaluate it for a full 30 days and then decide whether it offers enough value to warrant the $7.50 (if you opt to pay annually) per month. You could also consider subscribing to Logos Now when you need access to this data and feature and then temporarily canceling your subscription when you don't need it.
Phil,
It's exciting for me that Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, and I know that you have put a lot of effort into it. It looks a lot more useful and interesting than many of the tools and datasets I've received as part of my base package purchases.
Do you understand how frustrating it is that, while Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, I am unable to purchase it, unlike nearly all of the other (some almost useless to me) tools and datasets you have put out? (Renting is not the same things as purchasing.) Why is it that when a tool has at last come out in systematics, this has to be the point at which you have to make the paradigm shift as to how your customers can give you money for the stuff you want to be given money for?
I'm willing to pay money for this tool and dataset. I'm not willing to pay $7.50 or $9 a month in perpetuity for it, as none of the other things available with a Now subscription as of yet are sufficiently useful to make it compelling. A lot more needs to be ready even before I'm willing to use up the free trial month.
I am hoping that this condition does not continue indefinitely, that either this tool becomes available for purchase (e.g., as part of an L7 package) or Logos Now becomes compelling enough to subscribe to (i.e., with more tools and features and some sort of discount on what is incorporated into L7). But your organizational fear of disclosing plans or making promises gives me no clue as to when such a change might take place. I would encourage you all to take constructively some of the critical feedback you've received about this and make some adjustments and clarify--substantively--some of these issues.
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Sean said:
It's exciting for me that Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, and I know that you have put a lot of effort into it. It looks a lot more useful and interesting than many of the tools and datasets I've received as part of my base package purchases.
I'm glad you're excited about it. I'm eager to see us do even more for theological study.
Sean said:Do you understand how frustrating it is that, while Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, I am unable to purchase it, unlike nearly all of the other (some almost useless to me) tools and datasets you have put out?
I do understand your frustration. I'm sorry. I wish I had a simple solution for you that didn't force you to wait or subscribe if you're not disposed to either.
Sean said:I am hoping that this condition does not continue indefinitely, that either this tool becomes available for purchase (e.g., as part of an L7 package) or Logos Now becomes compelling enough to subscribe to (i.e., with more tools and features and some sort of discount on what is incorporated into L7).
This dataset and feature meets the criteria for inclusion in Logos 7 base packages and crosgrades, so it's highly likely you'll be able to purchase it when Logos 7 comes out.
Logos Now is getting increasingly compelling with each new release. If it's not there yet for you, just keep an eye on what we release in the next few releases.
Sean said:But your organizational fear of disclosing plans or making promises gives me no clue as to when such a change might take place. I would encourage you all to take constructively some of the critical feedback you've received about this and make some adjustments and clarify--substantively--some of these issues.
Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate it.
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