WIVU Constituency Trees Again

According to the product page for the "Stuttgart Scholarly Editions: Old and New Testament (29 vols.)" https://www.logos.com/product/55086/stuttgart-scholarly-editions-old-and-new-testament I should be able to access the following: "the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia: Workgroep Informatica Constituency Tree Analysis. The new WIVU database allow for a precise overview on how the single textual elements of a specific text passage are analyzed and hierarchically organized". But I can't.

Shucks, I had the "Constituency Trees" back when my "Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible" (SESB) 3.0) was new. But when I inserted the SESB CD my laptop tried to install Libronix and failed because I don't know my old ID number.(I'm running Logos 6.6 SR-2 on Windows 7, Service Pack 1.)

Yes, I've searched the Forums and the Wiki, but failed to recognize a solution.An email to Tech Support with a request that if they can't help they pass my request along to one of the Logos Hebrew Gurus has yet to be answered.

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Schumitinu

Any news on this?

I have the same issue. The product page says I own the resource, but I cannot find it in my library.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/776347#Comment_776347

Steve you probably need the files reinstalled- mine went away as well- but was able to get the files and get them working again.

NB.Mick

when I inserted the SESB CD my laptop tried to install Libronix and failed because I don't know my old ID number

Nevertheless Logos 6 should be able to scan the resource files on the CD - if only the wivu trees are missing, check the CDROM for a file called wivucgraphs.lbxclv and try using the scan command on the folder where it is. Alternatively (or if scan doesn't work) you may put it directly into the resources folder of your L6 installation and restart.

Gabe Martini (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/776377#Comment_776377

Thank you for bringing this up again, we are looking into a resolution.

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/776418#Comment_776418

Many thanks to each of you for your replies: the bump from Schumitinu, the encouraging report from Whyndell,the coaching from NB.Mick, and the hopeful news from Gabe. Being the nervous sort when it comes to fiddling with the innards of files, I'm leaning toward waiting for Gabe's search for a resolution to bear fruit.. But I suppose it's possible courage will strike my 79 year old nephesh and I'll try what NB.Mick suggests. Anyway, thanks for all your replies.

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/776418#Comment_776418

Thank you for bringing this up again, we are looking into a resolution.

Just for your information this issue was also brought up on Sun, Sep 20 2015 8:04 AM at

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/78773/764456.aspx#764456

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

The Constituency Trees visualization resource is now available: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/122824.aspx

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/802489#Comment_802489

Thank you very much for the update![Y][:D]

Nathan Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/802529#Comment_802529

It downloaded into my library today. Is it basically a Syntax Graph based on the BHS?

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/802735#Comment_802735

Nathan, your have correctly identified the WIVU Constituency Trees. Think a less advanced "Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis".

Nathan Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/802764#Comment_802764

Nathan, your have correctly identified the WIVU Constituency Trees. Think a less advanced "Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis".

Great. Thanks!

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/802764#Comment_802764

Think a less advanced "Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis".

The edition of the WIVU Constituency Trees in Logos have decidedly been frozen for a few years now, while Andersen-Forbes has continued to be updated. So, at first it might appear that the WIVU database is less advanced or outdated for those who can only access it through Logos.

However, the above is actually misleading because for one the WIVU and Adersen-Forbes have very different underlining tagging philosophies. And, two the WIVU database outside of Logos has continued being used and improved throughout the years over what you are able to see in Logos. It was renamed and is now better known as the ETCBC database of the Hebrew Bible. Some Researchers Students know of it through SHEBAQ (link). I am happy that Logos once again given us access to the WIVU constituency Trees and I look forward to the day when they give us access to the full searchable database in Logos as well as bringing it update with the latest edition. When, that happens I doubt anyone will claim the ETCBC to be in anyway inferior or less advance than the Andersen-Forbes.

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/803063#Comment_803063

BKMIitchell, thank you very much for clarifying and extending my answer to Nathan.

Thank you, too, for the link to SHEBANQ. I had not heard of SHEBANQ, which only goes to show I work at a pretty elementary level.

It would indeed be great to have the WIVU Constituency Trees updated!

Nathan Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/803081#Comment_803081

I agree that the response was great, and I would LOVE to see these new additions in Logos. Sounds like a rich gold mine waiting to be enjoyed!

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/803081#Comment_803081

No, rather thank you Steve Maling and Nathan Parker both!

Yours are the voices that Logos/faithlife and the creators of databases need to hear more often. I fear that the tools and databases often do not get used as much as they could be because the tools/database haven't been properly explained and demonstrated in a way that is practical, useful, and obvious.

Okay, a little more about the Syntactical databases:

Different Syntactical databases of the Hebrew Bible are not all created with the same underling philosophies nor goals. This is one reason why I believe one can never have too many of them since it is always good to have others to compare and contrast search results. Here are some of the few I know about as well as my opinion on what I think their philosophies are. ( I, of course could be wrong and if so please help me correct the following/ the following is a quick and dirty summary):

Dr. Holmstedt database = generative linguistic theory & minimalist in approach. (not in Logos)

Anderson-Forbes database = descriptive linguistics theory and a board range of other schools of thought in and outside of syntax, like discourse (sometimes) and talking Animals. It in short in of the opposite of the above database.

WIVU database = aims(or at least on the aims was) to distinguish between distributional ('atoms') and functional data (phrases, clause, sentences, paragraphs) atoms are tagged with functional syntactical labels as well. Higher literary critical issues have some tagging, and instead of lemma, it uses Lexeme. Takes a bottom up approach and searches are constructed based on a different logical than the Anderson-Forbes.

Biblia Hebraica transcripta (BHt, aka "Richter Morphology") = created on structuralist-oriented principles .Yes, it is a morphology not a syntax but it includes some tags not found in other morphological databases, plus a world view that is radically different from what one normal encounters in a morphology.

Westminster Hebrew Syntax (currently not available to the public/commercially) seemed to be based on traditional formal syntax?