New Wordsearch books being added to Logos
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Larry Craig said:
Is it possible they can download them as they get them?
If they finish 5 books a week, can they download those 5?
It is their standard practice to release as they go. What makes you think they won't?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Larry Craig said:
OK, a lot of WS resources need to be integrated into Logos and that will take time.
It seems that Logos is waiting until they have a lot done before they download the final versions. Is it possible they can download them as they get them?
If they finish 5 books a week, can they download those 5?
Many WS commentaries, for example, are listed as monographs. Not helpful if you are looking for those commentaries.
Thank you
WS is still operational so I would continue to use that until your resources get switched over. Logos is doing their best. Switching resources to commentaries takes time as verses and milestones need to be annotated as well as the resource viewed in its entirety to make sure it is acceptable. No easy task.
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I was happy when the two merged, because I wasn't using WS as much.
But my question still remains.
I would rather they downloaded a few books a week rather than 200 at one time.
There are so many books, I am sure they are completing several a week.
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Larry Craig said:
I was happy when the two merged, because I wasn't using WS as much.
But my question still remains.
I would rather they downloaded a few books a week rather than 200 at one time.
There are so many books, I am sure they are completing several a week.
Hi Larry,
If you open up the Program Settings in Logos and scroll down to the Internet section you can turn Download New Resources to No. Now the resources will still show up in your library, but they won't take up space on your HardDrive. You can then download the ones you want.
As far as when resource updates are published, resource updates are shipped every two weeks and done in a batch. They don't ship them one at a time or a few at a time.
I hope this helps,
Philana
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thank you
that was helpful
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Bradley,
Noticed that the migration of books has slowed somewhat.
Nothing for a couple days now. But Thats ok.]
However, any idea how long before I get the following which I own:
(1)Mattoon's Treasures - Old and New Testament
(2)NIV New Testament Commentary - by Standard PublishingThe other 250 books still out there I am not so worried about, but I sure miss the above two collections.
Use them quite often, especially Mattoon's..Thanks,
Mark Johns
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Sorry, we don't have any more specific dates for particular resources than our overall goal of converting them all by the end of the year.
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Thanks Bradley....
Good things come to those who wait.
Sorry for my impatience. Getting a new
Bible program is like being a kid in a candy store!
Maybe by Dec 25th? You don't even have to put
it in my stocking! [:D]
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Patience is something I don't use very often. But I waited and continued to use WS until about a week or so ago. Now most of my stuff works in Logos....Some books have not been started yet... but I already see a lot of work has gone on. Thanks.
I started back with QuickVerse with Craig Rearden... and it is amazing how Bible software has evolved. Love it!!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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We wanted to get these books out and available to Wordsearch users as soon as possible. Rather than wait until the book was a complete Logos resource to ship it, we decided to batch create and ship Faithlife ebook versions that we will update to Logos resources. These ebooks will have basic functionality but not all the tagging that comes in a Logos resource (because they are batch produced, they could contain typos or strange formatting). We will begin work immediately to update these resources. We plan to have them all updated by the end of 2020
Hi all,
I wanted to provide a quick update on the status of updating Wordsearch books to Logos editions. While we planned/hoped to have these updates complete by the end of 2020, it's looking like we probably won't make that date. The process is going to be a bit more complex than anticipated and our production pipeline is a bit fuller than we expected.
We're going to prioritize upgrading books with heavier markup and deeper integration in the software (reference works, commentaries, etc).
I'll keep you updated as things move forward.
Thanks!
Senior Director, Content Products
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thank you for letting us know. At least those of us who are in the forum.
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Hi all,
I wanted to provide a quick update on the status of updating Wordsearch books to Logos editions. While we planned/hoped to have these updates complete by the end of 2020, it's looking like we probably won't make that date. The process is going to be a bit more complex than anticipated and our production pipeline is a bit fuller than we expected.
We're going to prioritize upgrading books with heavier markup and deeper integration in the software (reference works, commentaries, etc).
I'll keep you updated as things move forward.
Thanks!
Thanks, I'm sure everyone has their "pet" but I have to make a shameless plug for "Thompson-Chain Reference Libraries"
I know the interest in forums has been significant, and many of us who own it in Wordsearch12 are missing it0 -
Thank you for the update .
Blessings in Christ.
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I always thought it was an over ambitious timeline for the resources to be done correctly. Thanks for updating Ben.
We wanted to get these books out and available to Wordsearch users as soon as possible. Rather than wait until the book was a complete Logos resource to ship it, we decided to batch create and ship Faithlife ebook versions that we will update to Logos resources. These ebooks will have basic functionality but not all the tagging that comes in a Logos resource (because they are batch produced, they could contain typos or strange formatting). We will begin work immediately to update these resources. We plan to have them all updated by the end of 2020
Hi all,
I wanted to provide a quick update on the status of updating Wordsearch books to Logos editions. While we planned/hoped to have these updates complete by the end of 2020, it's looking like we probably won't make that date. The process is going to be a bit more complex than anticipated and our production pipeline is a bit fuller than we expected.
We're going to prioritize upgrading books with heavier markup and deeper integration in the software (reference works, commentaries, etc).
I'll keep you updated as things move forward.
Thanks!
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I write a lot of sermons. It helps me to have access to illustrations regularly. I noted that these have not being started on yet:
Encyclopedia of 15,000 Illustrations
American Quotations
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I wanted to provide a quick update on the status of updating Wordsearch books to Logos editions. While we planned/hoped to have these updates complete by the end of 2020, it's looking like we probably won't make that date. The process is going to be a bit more complex than anticipated and our production pipeline is a bit fuller than we expected.
We're going to prioritize upgrading books with heavier markup and deeper integration in the software (reference works, commentaries, etc).
Hi Ben,
How about getting the remaining WS books at least into Logos ebook editions? Is that still targeted for end of the year or is that delayed also?
Thanks,
Peter
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I appreciate the number of resources already converted. But I have noticed that many are coming over without authors being added. When I was searching for a number of books by author they did not show up. I then found them later by title and no author was given. It does not appear we have the ability to add this kind of data to the books. We are only allowed to change or add tags.
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Complete Biblical Library: Part of this recourse has transferred to Logos. The New testament books have not shown up yet. Sparkling Gems form the Greek 1 hasn't shown up yet but # 2 has.
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Richard Hansen said:
no author was given. It does not appear we have the ability to add this kind of data to the books. We are only allowed to change or add tags.
And titles, short titles, and series. All those won't help when you filter for the author-field, but should be mentioned. But if you get more precise and add a list of books and authors, Faithlife may correct the metadata of these resources (mostly eBooks in my library) quite easily.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks for update, Logos is a challenge to me to learn, it is nothing like Word search, and I am overwhelmed, but trying to patiently get it.
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Be encouraged Samuel. I felt the same but dived into the videos they pointed us to. It feels much more complicated because Logos is at least 10 times more powerful. But worth the effort.
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When I was downloading Logos, it said the program was 3.5 GB whereas Wordsearch is about 350 MB, a huge difference!
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Greetings Samuel
I think you will find that the program is quite small - the 3.5 GB will be the contents of your library.
tootle pip
Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Thanks for your answers.
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I agree with the Flanary's.... sure do miss Thompsons Chain Reference. I know things take time.... and I'm sure looking forward to using it. Thanks for the hard work.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Being a former WORDsearch user, I am starting to get my head around the differences between the two software programs.
I am looking forward to your Logos/Faithlife teams getting all the WORDsearch books transferred across and I do appreciate that these things take time.
I was involved in lobbying to get Christian radio in the UK and from the first local MW/AM station being licenced in 1995 to them be being allowed to broadcast nationally on DAB took over eight years so that listeners outside London could hear their programmes. So I can be patient!!
I look forward to the Open Your Bible Page By Page - OT to join the NT edition and for the complete The Passion Bible - NT, Psalms, Proverbs & Song of Songs to arrive, as currently, I keep having to go back to WORDsearch for the parts of these books that are not yet in Logos.
Blessings and keep up the good work.
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xnman said:
I sure do miss Thompsons Chain Reference. I know things take time.... and I'm sure looking forward to using it. Thanks for the hard work.
I’ve used Thompson Chain since 1983. So I fully get why people like it!
I also do NOT "have an ax to grind" about forcing WS users to adapt to Logos--I have used BOTH programs for nearly 2 decades.
i realize Logos has a steep learning curve and those who have become comfortable in the WS system have familiar workflows. Here is my personal opinion (you are free to disagree!) WS built largely on the organization system of Strong’s numbers and Thompson’s cross-reference. The metadata that Logos implements through reverse Interlinear makes searching on the actual Hebrew and Greek words possible. Logos also has robust cross-reference database and thematic tagging that overlaps Thompson’s original goal in creating his chains. I am NOT standing in the way of getting resources based upon the Strong’s and Thompson’s systems! I just want to suggest that Logos has other tools that can lead to very similar final products if one is willing to learn new paths.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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I noticed today that the Urban Legends Series was coming over. There are 3 total but I only noticed two on the prepub list. It would make sense to grab #3 as well
https://www.logos.com/product/202023/urban-legends-of-the-new-testament-40-common-misconceptions
https://www.logos.com/product/202024/urban-legends-of-the-old-testament-40-common-misconceptions
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/197243/urban-legends-of-church-history-40-common-misconceptions
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I also noticed that the Essence of the XX Survey series had 1 coming over but one left behind
https://www.logos.com/product/202034/the-essence-of-the-new-testament-a-survey
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/39783/the-essence-of-the-old-testament
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Thanks for the "heads-up" Mattillo, I was missing the NT volume and was able to pre-order.Mattillo said:I noticed today that the Urban Legends Series was coming over. There are 3 total but I only noticed two on the prepub list. It would make sense to grab #3 as well
https://www.logos.com/product/202023/urban-legends-of-the-new-testament-40-common-misconceptions
https://www.logos.com/product/202024/urban-legends-of-the-old-testament-40-common-misconceptions
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/197243/urban-legends-of-church-history-40-common-misconceptions
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David Thomas said:
i realize Logos has a steep learning curve
David, that might be the understatement of the year! LOL!
David Thomas said:The metadata that Logos implements through reverse Interlinear makes searching on the actual Hebrew and Greek words possible. Logos also has robust cross-reference database and thematic tagging that overlaps Thompson’s original goal in creating his chains.
I'm super impressed with all of Logos' tagging. I didn't use Thompson all that much in WS, but enough to agree wholeheartedly that Logos' approach is far better...in my humble opinion.
David Thomas said:I just want to suggest that Logos has other tools that can lead to very similar final products if one is willing to learn new paths.
After using Logos now for over a month, I wouldn't go back to WS if you paid me! (Okay...well...if you paid me enough...but that's another discussion. HA!) And yes, Logos' range of tools is amazing. I've fully embraced Logos and am finding the new paths are taking me places with my ever-growing library and resources that I never dreamed possible.
So if you are a WS user and you are struggling with the steep Logos learning curve, I encourage you to persevere. It will be WELL worth your efforts...as in richly rewarded, at least that's been my experience.
Thanks, David. You've been one of the helping hands here in the forums that have kept me going in this. It's yet another great reason to be a part of the new FL family - you get to meet some pretty awesome folks here. [:)]
Blogger/Teacher and former WORDsearch user who is LOVING LOGOS!
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Sharon Hillam said:
Thanks, David. You've been one of the helping hands here in the forums that have kept me going in this. It's yet another great reason to be a part of the new FL family - you get to meet some pretty awesome folks here.
You are too kind! But the Forum family is pretty amazing.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Are you able to tell me when "Spiritual Warfare, A Biblical Point of View" would be transferred from WordSearch to my Logos account? Thank you.
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Gordon Skinner said:
Are you able to tell me when "Spiritual Warfare, A Biblical Point of View" would be transferred from WordSearch to my Logos account? Thank you.
I don't see that title listed at https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/catalog. What is the Book ID in Wordsearch? (Right-click the book in the Library and choose "Properties".)
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Gordon Skinner said:
Are you able to tell me when "Spiritual Warfare, A Biblical Point of View" would be transferred from WordSearch to my Logos account? Thank you.
I don't see that title listed at https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/catalog. What is the Book ID in Wordsearch? (Right-click the book in the Library and choose "Properties".)
Book title is backwards.
Should be "A Biblical Point of View on Spiritual Warfare"
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TWBeining said:
Book title is backwards.
Should be "A Biblical Point of View on Spiritual Warfare"
Thanks!
Gordon Skinner said:Are you able to tell me when "Spiritual Warfare, A Biblical Point of View" would be transferred from WordSearch to my Logos account? Thank you.
It's already available: https://ref.ly/logosres/LLS%3AWS_4E66C1500F4A45D4AF8991D9219EA207
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I saw a bunch of new Wordsearch titles download tonight - thanks! - and note that they are mostly still epubs or Logos Reader editions, so obviously still WIP.
However, the AMG Comprehensive Dictionaries of Old Testament & New Testament Words came across classified as Dictionaries, in Logos Research editions. Are these being considered complete? They lack quite a bit of the functionality of the corresponding Wordsearch ebooks:
They don't appear to have a headword index; outlining elements are lacking for complex entries; the Hebrew text of the entry is not given after the morphology that follows the transliteration (the Greek is there for the NT); the Strong's G/H number following that is not hot linked; other associated headwords given in the article are not hot linked; even the Scriptural references are not hot linked (!). The second parts (i.e. reverse dicts) are similarly unlinked.
Is it safe to assume these are still WIP despite being formatted as full Logos resources?
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John W Gillis....
From my experience, I suggest you check your WS to Logos Transition page and see if it says "Available" for that book. If it does, then Logos is through with it... and probably won't touch it again unless someone brings up problems with the book. Which is what you are doing.
I had this problem with a book in my WS library. It showed up "Available" and had errors. I could not search it in Logos but could in WS. I brought to their attention and they changed the "Available" to "Not Started".
We WS people need to help Logos by checking our books and reporting problems. I know from my experience that Logos is trying and we should all appreciate that even though in the mass of work they have to do... they still make mistakes. If we let them know... they will correct their mistakes.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
From my experience, I suggest you check your WS to Logos Transition page and see if it says "Available" for that book. If it does, then Logos is through with it... and probably won't touch it again unless someone brings up problems with the book. Which is what you are doing.
"Available" means that a version of it is available in Logos, not necessarily the "final" version. They're being rolled out first as Ebooks, then being upgraded. See the first post in this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/193938/1117970.aspx#1117970
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John W Gillis said:
However, the AMG Comprehensive Dictionaries of Old Testament & New Testament Words came across classified as Dictionaries, in Logos Research editions. Are these being considered complete? They lack quite a bit of the functionality of the corresponding Wordsearch ebooks:
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Is it safe to assume these are still WIP despite being formatted as full Logos resources?
Yes; these are not done. They had their "Edition" set incorrectly to "Logos Research" instead of "Ebook". We'll update that to avoid confusion.
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The Bible verses cannot be hovered in Fire Bible.
From prison (1:7, 13-14), most likely in Rome (Ac 28:16-31), Paul wrote to the Philippian Christians to thank them for their generous gift brought to him by Epaphroditus (4:14-19) and to update them on his present circumstances. In this letter, Paul assured the congregation that God's purposes were being worked out through his imprisonment (1:12-30).
Not only that ,but the topics are cannot be hovered. The fire Bible is far from being integrated to logos. There are a lot to be done it is not versified yet.
Blessings in Christ.
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Bradley, last night I received 134 megabytes of update (WordSearch migration to my LOGOS 9) which included the DAKE ANNOTATED BIBLE NOTES eBook. When you try to open this eBook, it shows no table of contents but opens to Genesis by default. However, if you scroll through Genesis, it stops at chapter 38. You can't scroll to any other part of the Bible commentary, nor is their any index. The scroll bar will only go that far, and the rest of the Dake commentary is missing! I tried to access on web app and android, but on the web app it will not even open. Any suggestion? Bad roll out or should something else be tried? I can't imagine its just a case of further updates to the DAKE NOTES coming since it would be useless to roll out eBooks in this state. Interestingly, other resources which downloaded are fine such as the LIFE APPLICATION BIBLE NOTES which, though in eBook form, contains whole Bible commentary and is indexed for easy navigation. Please help... and appreciate what you guys must be working through
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VINCENT BRAVOCO III said:
DAKE ANNOTATED BIBLE NOTES eBook. When you try to open this eBook, it shows no table of contents but opens to Genesis by default. However, if you scroll through Genesis, it stops at chapter 38.
This was produced via an automated conversion process. Many times, the output of this process is "good enough" until the resource can be upgraded to a Logos Research edition. (That's why we are releasing them as ebooks first.)
It may be that our source material (for the automated conversion) was incomplete, and that's why it stops at Exodus 38. Dake's Topics is similarly affected: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/194101.aspx
I'll let the Content team know this one needs extra work.
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If this has been discussed please forgive this post. It deals with indexes on the Word Search books being migrated as Ebooks. I know you guys are moving as fast a possible so my question is not about why the indexing of the migrated books is not done.
My question is how we will know when the creating indexing occurs? Would it be looking for certain titles each time my Logos is updated?
For example, because it is not indexed the Life Application Study Bible is not functional for what it was designed to do. I know you will get to it when you can, but is there a way that it can be automatically communicated when it is indexed without adding something to your plate.
Thankful for Logos
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Joe Mayden said:
My question is how we will know when the creating indexing occurs? Would it be looking for certain titles each time my Logos is updated?
For example, because it is not indexed the Life Application Study Bible is not functional for what it was designed to do. I know you will get to it when you can, but is there a way that it can be automatically communicated when it is indexed without adding something to your plate.
When a resource appears as a Logos Research Edition, it's done.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I never heard of that. So the question becomes: how will we know when a resource appears as a Logos Research Edition?
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Larry Craig said:
So the question becomes: how will we know when a resource appears as a Logos Research Edition?
It will show as an updated resource.
The edition field in the library metadata will say "Logos Research Edition"
The resource information panel will say Logos Research Edition.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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thank you
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Happy to see the work being done!
Question: Would it be possible to get a fourth status in the migration list - something that sits between In Progress and Complete to indicate which resources are in EBook format but not yet indexed?
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