folders in prioritization

Larry Craig
Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭
edited December 2024 in English Forum

Logos gives us the ability to prioritize our commentaries.

That is fine if we prioritize one volume commentaries or series, but there are 66 books in the Bible, and the best commentaries are not one volume ones or the whole series.

So we need to have an individual list for each book of the Bible.  That list will soon become very, very long. 

The order of priority can remain the same.  I have two series I am happy to have first regardless of the Bible book.  But I have in many cases dozens of commentaries for each book of the Bible that I want high in my guides.  That can make it hard to find or add books to the priority list.

We need folders in the priority list.  And not like the favorites option.  That is clumsy and tedious.  They should be preset by Logos.  Commentary series, one volume, and each book of the Bible.

One volume commentaries should count separate.  Meaning, if I prioritize my one volume commentaries, those should not take priority over sets or individual volumes.  

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  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭

    Larry, there's a workaround for this...custom series names.

    If you put your favorite commentaries for each book in a collection and then change the series name (I use "sercom1," "sercom2," etc. for scholarly, original language, and expository commentaries, etc.), you can put this series in the PL and it works well. It also makes changes easier...you don't have to find/replace each book, you can simply add/delete/change a book with the custom name and it then works with the series.

    You don't have to worry about losing the original series name...if you delete your custom name, leaving the series title blank, Logos will reinsert the 'factory' series name.

    Your suggestion is a better option, but I'm guessing it won't happen any time soon, so the workaround helps.

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    thank you

    I'm not understanding all of this

    I am working through two commentary recommendation books now

    by doing the Bible books in order, I can follow it okay.  but then I have hundreds of prioritized books from before

    messy

    all I can do is suggest

    what i have is better than nothing so I am grateful

  • I'm not understanding all of this

    Thread => Creating a New Series of Commentaries may be helpful for workaround insights.

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    thank you

    I went to that thread and got lost

    what I am doing now is working, but Logos can and should make it easier

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭

    thank you

    I went to that thread and got lost

    what I am doing now is working, but Logos can and should make it easier

    I have found that it takes us customers to make Logos better. One of the discussions that went on in L9 was about search. I absolutely stopped using Search in L9 simply because I felt I had to take a college phd course each time I wanted to use it. There was no little discussion about it. Logos did listen.... and the Search in L10, while is not perfect, but it is miles ahead of the Search of L9.  I can actually use it to find things I search for....

    Just don't give up. If you have a great idea on how to improve Logos... stick with it! Make it known! I can vouch that Logos does listen... 

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  • We need folders in the priority list.  And not like the favorites option.  That is clumsy and tedious.  They should be preset by Logos.  Commentary series, one volume, and each book of the Bible.

    Feedback suggestion => Prioritize resources by type has 84 votes (comments include "Dreaming of a Faceted Library tab next to a Faceted Prioritization tab (where Prioritization facets correspond to Language & Type combinations used).") & => Prioritize Library (Feature Update) has 51 votes.

    Some commentaries about a subset of Bible books (e.g. Minor Prophets) have better comments about a Book or two. My custom Top series has some commentary volumes included for a particular Bible Book, which has other books tagging along.

    Current Library prioritization is a complex logic puzzle. My custom Top series has advanced prioritization for types: Bible, Bible (BHS), Bible (CJB), Bible (JPS), & Bible (VUL-W). Some Bibles have English headwords (so my advanced prioritization has data type Bible in my Bible priorities).

    xnman said:

    Make it known! I can vouch that Logos does listen...

    Feedback suggestion => Prioritize resources by type has 84 votes, whose comments also include: "Tab allows longer Resource titles to appear (some titles need many words to see difference)." Thankfully Library Information & Prioritization tab is now resizable so can see longer titles.

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    I don't have success creating my own collections of commentaries

    They don't function as commentaries, so every verse is a hit.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,743

    They don't function as commentaries, so every verse is a hit.

    This sounds as if it is likely a simple error. Could you post the contents of a collection that fails to function as commentaries ... and tell us where it is not functioning properly?

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    anytime I have tried to make a collection of cmmentaries, they don't function as commentaries.  So now I did a passage guide of Matt 5.18 and added a collection of commentaries I created.  Instead of just Matthew commentaries going to Mt 5.18, it shows all commentaries in that collection that reference Matt 5.18.  So I have James commentaries and Galatians commentaries.  Not just Matthew one.

    Maybe Bible commentary collections must be created differently from other collections?

    I don't know

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,743

    they don't function as commentaries. 

    Where? Are you referring to the Commentary section of the Passage Guide? OR are you making the mistake of putting them in a collection section? You need to do what is in the green box not the red box.

    If this guess isn't right, I need to have the contents of the collection and a picture. My guessing is very inefficient.

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    I am making the mistake of putting them into a collection.

    I tried to copy what I thought somebody else was doing to no avail.

    so how do I make a collection of commentaries?

    I am still not getting notifications when people respond to me

    they have no idea why

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,743

    so how do I make a collection of commentaries?

    I think you are confusing two things:

    • the Collection tool which makes a collection of books - they may be service books, Bible commentaries, sermons ... they are simply a collection of books
    • the Collection section of a Guide which is used primarily to access books that do not have a Bible index

    Here is my collection of books that I used for the screen shot above:

    The total content of this list is:

    [quote]


    Bible_Genesis_TopCommentaries Bibliography (2)

    Schroeder, Joy A., H. Lawrence Bond, Philip D. W. Krey, Ian Christopher Levy, and Thomas Ryan, eds. The Book of Genesis. Translated by Joy A. Schroeder. The Bible in Medieval Tradition. Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, U.K.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2015.


    Severian of Gabala and Bede the Venerable. Commentaries on Genesis 1–3: Homilies on Creation and Fall and Commentary on Genesis: Book I. Edited by Michael Glerup, Thomas C. Oden, and Gerald L. Bray. Translated by Robert C. Hill and Carmen S. Hardin. Ancient Christian Texts. Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic: An Imprint of InterVarsity Press, 2010.


    Didymus the Blind. Commentary on Genesis. Translated by Robert C. Hill. Vol. 132. The Fathers of the Church. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 2016.


    Reardon, Patrick Henry. Creation and the Patriarchal Histories: Orthodox Christian Reflections on the Book of Genesis. Chesterton, IN: Ancient Faith Publishing, 2008.


    Skinner, John, 1851-1925. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on Genesis. International Critical Commentary. New York: Scribner, 1910.


    Day, John. From Creation to Babel: Studies in Genesis 1–11. London; New Delhi; New York; Sydney: Bloomsbury, 2013.


    Cotter, David W. Genesis. Edited by Jerome T. Walsh, Chris Franke, and David W. Cotter. Berit Olam Studies in Hebrew Narrative and Poetry. Collegeville, MN: The Liturgical Press, 2003.


    Brueggemann, Walter. Genesis. Interpretation, a Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching. Atlanta, GA: John Knox Press, 1982.


    Westermann, Claus. A Continental Commentary: Genesis 1–11. Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 1994.


    Westermann, Claus. A Continental Commentary: Genesis 12–36. Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 1995.


    Westermann, Claus. A Continental Commentary: Genesis 37–50. Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2002.


    Brayford, Susan A. Genesis: Commentary. Edited by Stanley E. Porter, Richard S. Hess, and John Jarick. Septuagint Commentary Series. Leiden; Boston: Brill, 2007.


    Carasik, Michael, ed. Genesis: Introduction and Commentary. Translated by Michael Carasik. The Commentators’ Bible. Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2018.


    Speiser, E. A. Genesis: Introduction, Translation, and Notes. Vol. 1. Anchor Yale Bible. New Haven; London: Yale University Press, 2008.


    Coats, George W. Genesis: With an Introduction to Narrative Literature. Vol. 1. The Forms of the Old Testament Literature. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1983.


    Sarna, Nahum M. Genesis. The JPS Torah Commentary. Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society, 1989.


    Coogan, Michael D., ed. The New Oxford Annotated Bible. Oxford University Press, 2007.


    Louth, Andrew, and Marco Conti, eds. Genesis 1–11. Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2001.


    Sheridan, Mark, ed. Genesis 12–50. Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002.


    Scarlata, Mark William. Outside of Eden: Cain in the Ancient Versions of Genesis 4:1–16. Edited by Robert P. Gordon. Vol. 8. The Hebrew Bible and Its Versions. London; New Delhi; New York; Sydney: Bloomsbury, 2013.


    Galambush, Julie. Reading Genesis: A Literary and Theological Commentary. Reading the Old Testament Series. Macon, GA: Smyth & Helwys Publishing, 2018.


    Exported from Verbum, 3:56 PM April 24, 2023.

    In this screen shot (repeated from above) when I put it in a Commentary section it behaves as a Bible commentary; when I put it in a Collections section, it simply looks for any reference to the Bible reference in question.

    Are you doing the same thing as I did in green? If you aren't please provide screen shots. If you aren't doing the same thing, try doing what I did and see if it solves your problem.

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    I think I'm getting it.  

    so I make a collection as usual.  But then when I add a section to the guide, I check commentaries and then add that collection to that group?

    I did that for one and it seemed to work.  I did that another and I get nothing.

    but that's how I do it, right?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,743

    Yes, that's how to do it.  When one doesn't work and you can't see why, come back and ask. If the commentaries do have a entry for the passage it should show.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    thank  you very, very much

    do you have any idea why I would stop getting notifications to the forums?

    I was getting them all along and then one day they stopped.

    And I stopped coming here.  Looking for other ways to solve problems

    I talked with customer service a number of times

    They showed me the subscription link, and yes, most were unchecked.  I certainly didn't do that

    but i checked all the right boxes (no's to yes). and still  nothing changed

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,743

    No, I really can't help much with email. If it isn't going into spam, I'd suspect the issue is on the Faithlife end.

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  • do you have any idea why I would stop getting notifications to the forums?

    Curious if forums@logos.com is in your email address book ?

    Some email software clients need address book entry for inbox delivery.

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  • Larry Craig
    Larry Craig Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    yes, I added that

    but I was getting them all the time and then they stopped

    so I stopped using the forum

    I'm trying it again, but I'm still not getting them

    thank you

  • but I was getting them all the time and then they stopped

    so I stopped using the forum

    My web browser has a bookmark for discussions having at least one reply by me => https://community.logos.com/forums/MyForums.aspx

    FWIW: my email already has too much flowing into inbox so my quirk is not using forum email notifications.

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