Books Within Books: Some major current limitations

Jacob Hantla said:

I have recently had this problem when trying to search within only John Owen's Death of Death in the Death of Christ. I had to first find the book within my John Owen Collection. Then open that volume. Then run a search on that volume and have to manually sort through which results from that search fell within Death of Death. 

I didn't buy the Owens collection when it was offered since my primary interest lies in biblical studies, but I remember buying that book from Blackwells when I was in college.  It brings back memories.

Jacob Hantla said:

Rosie Perera said:

Add this to UserVoice, please, Jacob, and I'll somehow find another feature on there to sacrifice my vote from and vote for this.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works

Great! This is so important I've moved 3 votes from elsewhere to this. I hope others notice and go vote for it!

Jacob Hantla said:

Please

• Allow us to search for books within multi-work volumes from the Library Screen (perhaps have a sublist under multi-work volumes displaying the different books found within).
• Display which book within a multi-work volume a search result is found
• Allow us to limit searches within a multi-work volume to a specific book found within that volume.

Also make sure these 'books within books' work for collections. I'm sure there are lots of books in the Early Church Fathers that I would want in various collections -- but I can't get them there! Not without manually going through every single volume and manually adding it to every single collection that I want it in. Which is quite a bit of work...

I too  sacrificed another uservoice vote to make this happen.

Yay, it's up to 27 votes already. Please, sir, can I have some more? :-)

Donnie Hale said:

I'm not sure I grok this issue. Is there a resource that comes standard w/ Platinum (which I have) that would demonstrate it to me?

I think you've got Early Church Fathers as part of Platinum, right? That demonstrates it pretty well. Suppose you are looking for where Augustine refers to the metaphor of "plundering the Egyptians" (as I was just the other day). First you have to find out which ECF volume or volumes Augustine's works are included in, which is no easy task the way the Library is currently set up. Then you run a search for plunder NEAR Egyptians in that volume or those volumes (which you have to make a small temporary collection of if there are more than one). Then you have to step through all the search hits and check if it's within one of Augustine's works (there are other authors' works included in the same volume).

I still haven't finished this search, as I got distracted along the way making a Table of Contents for my ECF collection by copying all the TOCs of each of the individual volumes into a Clippings file. Then I will be able search that clippings file for a title or author to narrow down which volume what I'm looking for is in. (But  I got distracted in the midst of that task when I came across a whole new category of typos I needed to go searching for through my entire library....)

We need some easier way to find what we've got in our books-within-books!

Thanks for the explanation. Your example here is to search within a custom-defined collection with the search phrase (pseudocode, of course):

author:Augustine AND (plunder NEAR Egyptians)

(Note I've adapted how we express a search within our resources for this pseudocode.) Do I understand this correctly (at least this example)?

Thanks again,

Donnie

Rosie Perera said:

Yay, it's up to 27 votes already. Please, sir, can I have some more? :-)

Oliver, you must leave !  [:D]

Todd Phillips said:

Donnie Hale said:

I'm not sure I grok this issue. Is there a resource that comes standard w/ Platinum (which I have) that would demonstrate it to me?

Donnie

Grok this:

Suppose you wanted to see how many times Josephus mentions "taxes" in his The Wars of the Jews.  As it is, you'd only be able to see results from all of his works since they are in one volume, and you'd have to wade through all the results from Antiquities before you even got to see the first result in Wars.

In other words, what you would like is the ability to select portions of works as one is able to select separate books in the bible.

George Somsel said:

I was thinking that this might refer to such things as Festschrifts.

Those too, and other multi-author works. I'd love to be able to easily search across all works by a particular author even if they are merely chapters within a book edited by someone else. I've begun to tag these multi-author works in my Library with the view of someday making a complete listing of all the authors/chapters included in them for this purpose, but am hoping Logos gets around to providing better tagging/searching in these resources before I get around to it. I'd never be able to keep up anyway, as I'm always acquiring new books. Someday I'd like to settle down and stop spending so much time on library maintenance and have more time for actual reading and study!