SUGGESTION: The Case for the Deuterocanon: Evidence and Arguments
We need Gary G. Michuta's The Case for the Deuterocanon: Evidence and Arguments in Logos. Yes, the format is basically logical - each chapter having argument, analysis, evidence, objections, answers ... But the value of the book is the 125 pages of examples of the use of the Deuterocanon in the Early Church Fathers ... one of the most thorough presentations of the evidence I have seen.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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[Y] I'd buy
Have joy in the Lord!
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Got the Kindle version: Very interesting comments in the Preface. Thanks for pointing out this book.
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I cannot find the Kindle for this. However, I would prefer it in Logos.
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I'm not a huge fan of Michuta (or any apologist) -- just of particular books but since Amazon seems to have gone crazy price wise see https://catholicproductions.com/collections/gary-michuta/products/the-case-for-the-deuterocanon-evidence-and-arguments-signed-by-gary-michuta for something more reasonable. We need Craig to work out a contract.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Ronald Quick said:
I cannot find the Kindle for this. However, I would prefer it in Logos.
Search for "Michuta"
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Got it. Thanks.
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MJ. Smith said:
But the value of the book is the 125 pages of examples of the use of the Deuterocanon in the Early Church Fathers ... one of the most thorough presentations of the evidence I have seen.
I'm interested.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Have just finished the book. Really enjoyed chapter 13 "Illicit removal by Jerome". Proves some ideas that I have had about him for some time. Just that it is worse than I thought. I knew of one thing that he did that I did not like (switching the OT from the Greek LXX to the Rabbinic Hebrew Masoretic) but was not aware that he was the one most responsible for the removal of the Deuterocanon from the Cannon. Now I am just going to have to read the Deuterocanon. Anyone have a reading plan? [[Have read an English translation of the LXX from cover to cover so I have already enjoyed the word 'God' in Esther and have enjoyed some of the additions to Daniel.]]
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David Ames said:
Have just finished the book. Really enjoyed chapter 13 "Illicit removal by Jerome". Proves some ideas that I have had about him for some time. Just that it is worse than I thought. I knew of one thing that he did that I did not like (switching the OT from the Greek LXX to the Rabbinic Hebrew Masoretic) but was not aware that he was the one most responsible for the removal of the Deuterocanon from the Cannon. Now I am just going to have to read the Deuterocanon. Anyone have a reading plan? [[Have read an English translation of the LXX from cover to cover so I have already enjoyed the word 'God' in Esther and have enjoyed some of the additions to Daniel.]]
I can't comment on this book but I do recommend by the same author 'Why Catholic Bibles are Bigger" 2nd edition. I'm betting he took the same arguments and added substantial detail as part of the purpose of the book which I'm reading (very slowly) is historical.
Canonicity research is a big area of interest for me so i already agree with your suggestion. I'm not Catholic but I'm a lot more sympathetic to the deuterocanon than many people who aren't.John 3:17 (ESV)
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.0 -
Chrisser said:
Canonicity research is a big area of interest for me so i already agree with your suggestion. I'm not Catholic but I'm a lot more sympathetic to the deuterocanon than many people who aren't.
What I got out of chapter 13 "Illicit removal by Jerome" was that the major reason that the protestants don't use the Deuterocanon is Jerome. Reading that book and other information: Jerome thought that the Jews should know what their scriptures should be. Did he know that they did not finalize them until 130 AD [other sources listed 150 AD] ? As for the Deuterocanon he probably could not find copies in Hebrew so thought that they had never existed. [did the Jews burn them all? Some were found at the dead sea!] Just remember that the simple gospel is easy to find in any version of the Bible. [that at least survived all the attacks on scripture] [[We need that book in Logos - and others]]
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thanks for the response. i think it might be mirkier than even that. I recall there being 3rd century references in rabbinic literature to Sirach being canon. To be honest, Jerome's logic might be weak. While Jerome understood Hebrew, something very few fathers did, (in fact the only two I can think of is Origen and a contemporary of Eusebius named Dorotheus. Another bishop shares his name later one who may be arian but thats a different person who Eusebius never knew since he died in 340. Well now should finish my broken sentence. Jerome's logic is flawed as Rabbinic authorities don't accept the NT either. So I don't think his thinking is sound for determining inspired Christian canon.
John 3:17 (ESV)
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.0 -
Chrisser said:
Jerome's logic might be weak.
Actually, the discovery of the DSS shot many holes in Jerome's logic as he believed that the Hebrew was a single, unaltered tradition i.e. that the Masoretic text was the only text ever used in Hebrew.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I was thinking more simplistically. I forgot about that part, which is more important probably. Yeah it did.
John 3:17 (ESV)
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.0 -
Will this help? https://www.logos.com/product/156046/introducing-the-apocrypha-2nd-edition-message-context-and-significance
$29.99 and ships 3/9/2020
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[[Taken from another thread on a similar subject]]MJ. Smith said:Please obtain the necessary permissions to make Rojas' 1, 2 and 3 year reading plans for the Catholic Bible predefined reading plans in Verbum. It is "a disgrace" for Verbum to reflect only the Protestant canon in its reading plans.
Maybe some Protestants should overthrow Jerome and read a wider canon?
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David Ames said:
Maybe some Protestants should overthrow Jerome and read a wider canon?
Maybe just Enoch. Oh, wait, did Jerome nail Enoch too for the Catholics. I just can't seem to remember. Smiling. Oh, wait ... it's coming back ... Barnabas and Hermas too.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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