Any suggestions on Verbum packages to "add" to my Logos library (?)...
Hello everyone, I still haven't done a lot of posts here yet, and I'm still trying to learn the ropes, so hopefully this comes thru OK...
In a nutshell, I've only been using Logos since earlier this year (2022) - and still have a lot to learn.
My current Logos (9) resources are primarily oriented along a Reformed Baptist bent (so to speak).
For reference, in regard to Logos 10 - I'm currently planning to probably upgrade to the following main base packages within the next couple of days before the upgrade discounts expire (the following subject to some change/tweaking):
- Logos 10 Standard Portfolio
- Logos 10 Baptist Portfolio
- Logos 10 Reformed Diamond
- Logos 10 Academic Pro
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In addition to the above listed items, I'm thinking to "add" and "mix in" one or more Verbum packages to (hopefully) provide better insight and resources in regard to Catholic teachings/etc.
My main goals with the Verbum additions would be for the following:
* Better insight into Roman Catholic history, teachings, traditions and doctrine from early church to current.
* Some general/good commentaries in regard to current Roman Catholic teachings/doctrine.
* Better insight into Eastern Orthodox Church history, teachings, traditions and doctrine from early church to current.
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My current thinking is to "add" the following two Verbum packages (as the cost isn't that expensive, relatively speaking, with dynamic pricing/etc):
- Verbum 10 Academic Professional and Verbum 10 Gold.
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Let me know if these two packages would likely be able to 'meet' my main Verbum goals outlined above (?).
A couple of fast additional questions/options (?):
* Would a "move"/upgrade to Verbum 10 Platinum (or Diamond) provide a significant boost/increase in value/resources (generally speaking)?
* Would including one of the Verbum Eastern Catholic packages provide a significant increased breadth of coverage in that area?
* Might it be worth considering one of the Verbum Ordinariate packages - instead of and/or in addition to Verbum 10 Gold, for example?
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By the way, I'm right in the middle of trying to move - so I'm somewhat pressed for time/energy/etc... 
So, I appreciate any quick/fast thoughts/suggestions before I need to place my order before the current discounts may expire soon....
Please note, with my current situation, I may not necessarily be able to reply/respond very quickly to any possible questions/etc...
Thanks for everyone's time/consideration..... 
PS I was thinking of trying to post this also on the Catholic Products Forum, but I'm running out of time/etc - and I wasn't quite exactly sure the best way to do that/etc - so I'm just going to to keep it simple (for me!) and just post this here....
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NightOwl said:
* Might it be worth considering one of the Verbum Ordinariate packages - instead of and/or in addition to Verbum 10 Gold, for example?
Probably not as this is for Anglican-usage Catholics, a subgroup you have not expressed a specific interest in.
NightOwl said:* Would including one of the Verbum Eastern Catholic packages provide a significant increased breadth of coverage in that area?
Given the overlap of the 23 Eastern rites with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, this probably is of less value than the Orthodox package.
NightOwl said:- Verbum 10 Academic Professional and Verbum 10 Gold.
This provides a good base ... to supplement the Bible Commentary section, I would consider Biblicum which is an academic package. See Compare Base Packages - Verbum
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:NightOwl said:
* Would including one of the Verbum Eastern Catholic packages provide a significant increased breadth of coverage in that area?
Given the overlap of the 23 Eastern rites with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, this probably is of less value than the Orthodox package.
I'm a protestant but have bought base packages from most of the traditions over the years. I have a rather eclectic library at this point. For my Logos 10 upgrade, I went with Orthodox Silver. Out of all the new packages this year (that I could afford), it's the one that caught my eye as having the best bang for the buck (for my tastes and interests, at least). I'd definitely take a look at the Orthodox packages if you're interested in the East as well as patristics.
BTW many of these packages include (as a pre-pub) J. Pelikan's 5-volume The Christian Tradition, a must-have for studies in historical theology of all eras. I think Orthodox Silver is the cheapest package with it.
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NightOwl said:
In addition to the above listed items, I'm thinking to "add" and "mix in" one or more Verbum packages to (hopefully) provide better insight and resources in regard to Catholic teachings/etc.
* Might it be worth considering one of the Verbum Ordinariate packages - instead of and/or in addition to Verbum 10 Gold, for example?
I prefer adding Verbum Ordinariate packages and Messianic Jewish Packages to complement my Reformed Baptist Conservative bent. But, adding Catholic teachings is not my goal. You have to examine the actual contents of each package.
NightOwl said:
PS I was thinking of trying to post this also on the Catholic Products Forum, but I'm running out of time/etc - and I wasn't quite exactly sure the best way to do that/etc - so I'm just going to to keep it simple (for me!) and just post this here....It would just be a copy and paste, maybe a minute or two.
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I have greatly benefited from adding Verbum packages to my library. I had a 10-day free trial of Verbum 10 Gold and I liked it. I ended up getting Verbum Bronze because I couldn't afford Gold yet. So yes I recommend getting Verbum Gold, and the Academic packages are great so go for it.
This time around only get Verbum Ordinariate if you're really into Thomas Aquinas or if you want to pick up a bunch of the Oxford Handbooks (I got Verbum Ordinariate Silver, Verbum Academic Essentials, and Verbum Bronze, all of which were cheaper together than Verbum Gold for me).
I would also recommend the Anglican packages for that Middle Way perspective.
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Thank you all very much for these suggestions & comments - all very helpful and very much appreciated!!
PS Thanks Dale for forwarding the post link to Catholic Products Forum! By the time I finally got this original post squared away to submit it - I was basically falling asleep at the keyboard... thanks again!
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Quick thoughts (as a Catholic):
Verbum Eastern Catholic Gold would, IMO, provide you with significant coverage in that area. It has the best patristics coverage as well as some Orthodox material.
Ordinariate Gold is great for high quality contemporary Aquinas-related studies and Catholic-relevant Oxford Handbooks. Ordinariate 10 packages also have the best discount rate of every non-academic package I have checked. Do consider at least a lower level Ordinariate package. They do have a real quantity of Anglican material--generally more "conservative"/"traditional"/"high"/Oxford Movement stuff. (Incidentally, Orthodox packages have the least awesome discount rates of any non-academic package line I have checked. Alas.)
Verbum 10 Gold is a pretty solid package. For myself, I bought a higher level than that (but not Portfolio) as well as Eastern and Ordinariate Gold and Academic Pro, plus some lower level Logos 10 packages.
There is a lot of overlap between the three Verbum lines, so check out the dynamic pricing with everything in cart. You may find some options cheaper than expected.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Thank you very much SineNomine for this feedback...
I basically took/followed your advice just to see what would happen - and "added" Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold to my online cart (in addition to the almost dozen other assorted things already in there!) - and it "only" increased the overall cost of my cart by 9 cents/pennies - wow...
I haven't had a lot of time yet to try to "dig" deeper to closely compare the differences/additions/etc - but unless there is already near 100% overlap (?) - for 9 cents/pennies - that is not a lot extra to pay...
So, thank you again for the advice/feedback!
PS For whatever it is worth - I'm going to try to review and finalize and place my order with my very good Logos phone rep person within the next 2 hours or so - as I'd like to get this wrapped up today/Fri since I have too many other things going on in my life right now.......
Thanks for everyone's help/feedback on these questions! I feel a lot better with the direction I'm going now!!
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Evidently, there's no rush. This was posted today.
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/210629.aspx
Dale E Heath: When will the 30% for first purchases end and when will the 15% for subsequent purchases end?
We'll give plenty of notice before this offer ends. It's not imminent.
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Yes (!!) - thanks Dale (!) - I happened to see that post about the 30% off first purchase sale when I quickly glanced thru the Recent Topics section of the Logos Forums.....
That was great/wonderful news to see....
And my great/responsive Logos rep has been able to 'confirm' that info at least into next week for my situation....
So, now I do have a little more time to work with - which is wonderful for my situation - with moving and all!
(I was originally operating under the 'assumption' that the sale would 'expire' on Monday Oct 31st)....
So, thank you very much Dale (!) for following up and asking Mark Barnes about this in the first place - and for Mark's reply/etc.....
PS These Logos Forums - and especially the people actively participating/responding on them - really are a great/helpful/extraordinary part of the Logos "system"/"universe".
Kudos to FaithLife/Logos for providing and hosting these Forums - and providing a place for people to actively and constructively interact....
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NightOwl said:
Thank you very much SineNomine for this feedback...
You're very welcome.
NightOwl said:I basically took/followed your advice just to see what would happen - and "added" Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold to my online cart (in addition to the almost dozen other assorted things already in there!) - and it "only" increased the overall cost of my cart by 9 cents/pennies - wow...
What that means is that, since it has a better discount than everything else in your cart, it reduced the price of stuff that overlapped... and you're getting at least one resource essentially for free as a result. Probably more.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Be careful and don't get hooked. This can become very addictive. The next thing you know, you'll be using a Payment Plan.[:(]
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Thank you Dale for the reminder/advice on "not" going too wild...
I'm definitely paying in full up front - but even then - very good/wise/helpful counsel to try to keep things reasonable and in perspective - I appreciate it!
I'm not necessarily sure of all the 'psychology'/marketing/etc behind it - but there definitely seems to be an 'urge' or desire to "over do it" (?)...
I'm not sure (?) this is necessarily directly due to any specific marketing strategy or 'trick' or 'ploy' (so to speak) by Logos - at least not anything wildly 'different' than other businesses/etc (?).
But perhaps semi-tapping into an innate human tendency to "want a little bit more" and/or "over do it" if we can somehow find a way to do so - and/or we aren't paying attention and easily get swept away without realizing it....
And especially for "educational" type things - there seems to be an even stronger/easier pull to try to rationalize "over spending"/"over indulgence"/etc...
So, thank you again for taking the time/effort to pass along some very appreciated wise words!!
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NightOwl said:
* Would a "move"/upgrade to Verbum 10 Platinum (or Diamond) provide a significant boost/increase in value/resources (generally speaking)?
Highlights, from my perspective but with you in mind, of the upgrade from Verbum 10 Gold to Verbum 10 Platinum are as follows (not in order of rank):
- https://verbum.com/product/16115/the-papal-encyclicals-1740-1981
- A truly massive upgrade in terms of patristics coverage
- Some Aquinas stuff and Oxford Handbooks (which I think are at least mostly in Ordinariate Gold)
- Five Bible in Medieval Tradition commentaries, as well as some Anchor and Sacra Pagina commentaries (not all of the aforementioned are Catholic)
- A bunch of Pre-Reformation medieval works, mostly from Classics of Western Spirituality, including Palamas (who was Orthodox)
- A lot of Latin editions of Catholic documents (which Gold generally provides in English)
- More original language support resources
- https://verbum.com/product/139071/ancient-christian-doctrine-series
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Thanks SineNomine for this feedback/info!
This info was very helpful - as my previous 'method' of comparing packages/resources was more 'complex' this time around due to multiple packages having a lot of crossover/etc this time for me. So, thank you again for your input!
I did spend several hours on and off over the weekend trying to cross compare many different things... By the way, I'm still doing a lot of moving activity/stuff - and probably will be for at least the next week or so (which is why this reply is much later than I meant!).
I think I've pretty much decided to go (stay) with Verbum 10 Gold for now then probably go also with Verbum Biblicum and Verbum 10 Academic Professional - and then probably one of the Verbum Eastern Catholic packages and/or possibly (?) one of the Verbum Ordinariate packages.
FYI self-disclosure note
When I went back and was doing more detailed comparisons and re-running numbers/etc - I found that the overall cost to "add" the Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold package to my "base" upgrade cart came to $92.30 - and "not" just 9 cents/pennies as I indicated previously above.....I'm not sure (?) if I may have mis-read the "9 penny" number (off my phone?) from before - or I mis-remembered it - or if I had a significantly different set of packages/resources already in my cart that affected the dynamic pricing math - and/or if the prices/etc may have adjusted/changed (?). But the overall cost to 'add' Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold comes to $92.30 now for me and 'not' 9 pennies/cents in case anyone might still be 'wondering' about that!
I think I have good base of info now to try to make a good, responsible set of decisions at this stage!
I'm hoping (?) to place my order by hopefully tomorrow/Tues - as I still have a lot of different moving/etc things piling up - then I have a scheduled medical thing coming up soon in Nov. So I'd like to get this Logos upgrade order done and out of the way so I can focus better on those other pressing matters....
Thanks for everyone's patience and grace in helping with my questions! I know there were times when I was super dog tired/etc when I sent out a couple of posts - so thank you for everyone's kindness and understanding!
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NightOwl said:
I think I've pretty much decided to go (stay) with Verbum 10 Gold for now
I think you'll be happy with Verbum Gold. It'll give you broad Catholic coverage to get you started.
The Catholic Topical Index will also become your best friend even for non-Catholic study. Pretty handy. I have it on my shortcuts bar.
So what all is in your cart right now? I'm always curious (nosey) about what people are getting.
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Hi Kiyah.....
I'm still mulling things over..................
For very fast background/context, I worked in Higher Education/Info.Tech.for over 30 years (mainly in a managerial type position dealing with hardware and software purchases then deployment/support/etc - as well as a lot of personnel & budget things).
Now I'm technically 'retired' though I'm still pretty young (at least in my humble estimation? - i.e. under 60 yrs old) so I consider myself 'semi-retired' at the moment....
Last year - and in fact a while before that - I decided I really needed to go electronic with many/most of my books/journals/magazines/etc.
I ended up spending hundreds of hours, on and off, trying to research the "best" and most relatively cost effective, reliable, stable, efficient/etc way to go "electronic" for bibles, concordances, commentaries, references, etc, etc (in addition to ebooks in general).
While it did look like there were some potentially decent alternative and relatively "inexpensive", if not in some ways "free", electronic/digital resources out there - it basically came down (in a nutshell in my mind) to the following three "main" contenders (as I'm trying to 'summarize' all that research/etc here):
* Logos
* Amazon Kindle eBooks
* and Olive Tree
Logos basically came out "on top" in my estimation - so I started off pretty "light" with Logos 9 Gold.
After doing a lot of experimenting/testing/etc - I learned - at the time - if I wanted to update/upgrade/add/etc - I could basically "add" "new" packages at a 30% discount for basically the 1st 60 days since I was a brand new customer with Logos.
By the end of that 2 months - over several different passes/orders - I went in pretty "big" into Logos and ended up with Logos 9 Standard Portfolio; Baptist Portfolio; Messianic Jewish Diamond; Reformed Diamond and Academic Professional.............
So, for now, I'm leaning towards basically updating the main packages I had previously pieced together in Logos 9 earlier this year, namely to update/upgrade to:
Logos 10 Portfolio
Logos 10 Baptist Portfolio
Logos 10 Messianic Jewish Diamond to Portfolio
Logos 10 Reformed Diamond
Logos 10 Academic Professional
Then after learning some various interesting things via the Logos Forums/etc - I'm considering "adding" the following "new" packages:
Logos 10 Kerusso
Verbum 10 Gold
Verbum 10 Biblicum
Verbum 10 Eastern Catholic Gold
Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold
Verbum 10 Academic Professional
(By the way, after my latest runs thru things, the cost to "add" the above five Verbum packages, it looks like the approximate total cost for those is about ~ $762. And this time around, the cost to "add" the Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold is ~ $6.33)....
So, that is a rough/quick summary of what I'm considering......
I still have a lot to learn/etc with Logos, and now perhaps/probably with Verbum/etc (though basically the "same" thing).......
It is very late again - so I need to wrap this up - as I have a lot going on the next several days! Please forgive any typos/etc...
PS Please also forgive/pardon any formatting quirks - as I'm still trying to figure out the best way(s) to type in (i.e. copy/paste) text for these posts...
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NightOwl said:
Verbum 10 Biblicum
I'm interested in knowing exactly what in Verbum 10 Biblicum is of most interest to you.
NightOwl said:And this time around, the cost to "add" the Verbum 10 Ordinariate Gold is ~ $6.33).
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“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
1000$ +/- for AYBC seems like a good price... well all but 14 of the old testament, and all but 7 of the new.
Still.
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Hi SineNomine,
SineNomine said:NightOwl said:Verbum 10 Biblicum
I'm interested in knowing exactly what in Verbum 10 Biblicum is of most interest to you.
I actually didn't spend a lot of time closely reviewing the Verbum 10 Biblicum package in great detail - as it "only" showed a very low dynamic price/cost of around ~ $95 to $120 or so (give or take depending on whatever specific cart items I had 'active' when comparing/reviewing).
For the most part, the main/primary reason I considered adding it was per an above comment by MJ Smith regarding Biblicum (paraphrasing) as a Bible Commentary supplement to the Verbum 10 Academic Professional and Verbum 10 Gold packages I had previously mentioned. Note: I'm not quite sure yet how to try to include/embed different previous comments yet!
I'm trying to learn/experiment some with this reply! Hopefully this comes thru ok (?)...I don't remember exactly all the details - but while a lot of the commentaries listed on my screen for Verbum 10 Biblicum were listed as already "owned" (due to previous Logos 9 orders I mentioned above) - there seemed to be 2 or 3 (or so - but not too many - but interesting) remaining that more than made sense to me for the approx $100 dynamic cost. And then there were several other assorted resources/etc listed that I considered as "bonus" items - so I was good/fine/happy with including Verbum 10 Biblicum.
As I think I mentioned before - it was much more of a challenge for me this time around to try to compare/review things with all the dynamic crossover of the many different packages I was comparing at the same time.
Previously with my first cycle/'waves' of Logos 9 reviews/purchases earlier this year over basically 2 months - I had more time to work with (& I wasn't moving!) and I was able to pretty closely compare/review resources essentially one package/order at a time without hardly any live/dynamic "crossover" of resources to deal with.
So, this was a new learning experience for me......
By the way - I was able to get my order placed/processed over the phone yesterday/Tues, as outlined above, with my Logos rep/specialist. Which I'm very glad I got that order out of the way - as I was preparing to have a LOT of junk removed and hauled off from my old apt tomorrow/Thurs - but I got a call this morning/Wed from the individual mover/hauler guy I had lined up - and he had to "back out" of the appt.
However, very fortunately, I think I've been able to find and line up someone else in the meantime - so I think I'm basically back on track - though with a couple of hours of additional effort/hassle to try to square things back up............
I don't think I'm going to be able to do much decent/good experimenting/etc with Logos (and now Verbum) 10 until once I get a lot better moved/settled - and I see how this upcoming medical thing goes!
As I've said before - thank you for everyone's input, help and patience/understanding with all my questions/etc and weird/crazy life circumstances going on right now!
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I’m not Catholic, either but have benefitted greatly from the Verbum and Orthodox packages as well-both in theology, method, and tradition. This year I got Gold in Verbum, Ordinariate, and Eastern. Also platinum in Orthodox. It’s a challenge to make use of it all but I love having it available. Last night was reading an article in the Oxford handbook on Christology, specifically on the presenc/absence of Jesus in the Gospels, by Bockmuehl; also regular readings in “Virtues” by Susan Mota, as well as a few different books on theosis/deification. I find that these expand my thinking, and more importantly, my heart-when I let them! (Just as a frame of reference/contextualization, I am in a non-denominational heritage, sometimes referred to by outsiders as Campbellite or Restorationist)
Glad you are enjoying them!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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I am a Faithlife Connect subscriber and in the past I have purchased quite a few Verbum, Ordinariate, and Eastern base packages with just the books, minus the features which I get through Faithlife Connect. However, in Logos 10 I don't seem to have that option for Verbum, Ordinariate, and Eastern packages. The price includes both features and books, making them quite expensive for the books I am getting. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this, and is this by accident or by design?
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Dave Palmer said:
I am a Faithlife Connect subscriber and in the past I have purchased quite a few Verbum, Ordinariate, and Eastern base packages with just the books, minus the features which I get through Faithlife Connect. However, in Logos 10 I don't seem to have that option for Verbum, Ordinariate, and Eastern packages. The price includes both features and books, making them quite expensive for the books I am getting. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this, and is this by accident or by design?
I believe this is by design since the Logos and Verbum feature sets differ slightly. I had the same situation and was able to purchase the Verbum 10 Gold library only by calling sales.
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Louis J Rosen said:
The price includes both features and books, making them quite expensive for the books I am getting.
Call or chat online with customer service. I suspect it is an error caused by slight differences in the feature sets for Logos/Verbum.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It's not an error, just what I think is a bad decision.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
It's not an error, just what I think is a bad decision.
I believe it to be a funny oversight. In the past, the feature set for Verbum and Logos were essentially identical and likely shared a SKU or at least the SKU's had identical content. With the difference between them in the L10/V10, they would no longer have identical content/SKU's. If one didn't foresee that this would create a problem in recognizing that the feature set was already owned or rented, you would see the behavior that we have seen. A simple matter of not thinking through the consequences of a seemingly minor change.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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