Any reason to purchase features set now if planning to subscribe to Logos Pro for two years?
I've read several threads concerning the new Logos tiered subscriptions, though not all the long one in which Mark Barnes introduced March 6, 2024 and am trying to determine whether it is prudent to "own" an upgraded features set.
The latest full feature set that I purchased is Logos 6. I have been subscribing to Logos Now/Faithlife Connect: No Library for years.
I had considered buying a features set, probably Logos 10 Silver Features Upgrade, and allowing my Connect subscription expire in a few weeks. But lately I've been reading references to the features fallback option of the new tiered subscription programs after subscribing for two years.
If I intend to subscribe to the new subscription program, probably Pro, for two years and then cancel (or perhaps even years later if the same policies continue, a big "if"), would I keep what amounts to Logos 11 features?
I'm trying to determine if there is a good reason to purchase a Logos 10 features set if I intend to subscribe to the new Logos subscription for two years.
Thank you for any insights. I appreciate the contributions of so many of your to the subscriptions threads that I've read.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Yes, to own whatever you can now before it’s available on subscription only. I’m not sure if people will still be able to buy L10 full feature set once the subscription model goes live.
DAL
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Thanks, DAL.
Are you saying that, with the fallback after two years of subscription, I would not "own" the L10 features without having purchased them but only the subscription features (minus the AI features) of, say, Logos Pro?
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In the L10 full feature set there are many features that use the cloud or Logos servers. So far I believe (but I may be wrong) that we will be able to use all the features we have paid for in the L10 feature set. But It seems that the Legacy Fallback license would turn off any features that use AI or the cloud after you cancel your subscription after two years.
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Thanks, Bobby.
Because I do not yet own an L10 Features upgrade (full or otherwise), as far as you understand it, were I to subscribe to Pro for two years and then cancel, I would "fall back" to L10 features that did not rely on AI or cloud. Is that correct, or would I "fall back" to L6 plus Pro features (which L6 would leave gaps or inconsistencies)?
My latest features package is L6.I don't mean to sound obtuse (though I may simply be that!) but am just trying to make sure that I understand.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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I believe you would fall back to L10 feature set plus any additional features acquired in the two years of subscription, minus the features that require the cloud or AI.
This has been a very challenging time with a lot of questions yet to be answered. My best advice is to wait for more clarification. I am sure Logos will give plenty of notice before your option to purchase the L10 full feature set is gone (if indeed it will be gone).
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You're certainly right about the questions! It's a bit frustrating.
I have one month left on the Connect subscription, so I'm thinking about doing the first free month of Pro since I'm eligible by virtue of my current subscription.And, but of course!, there's an enticing 15% discount that I can apply to Silver or Full features upgrade. I'm just trying to make sure that I don't spend $400 unnecessarily.
What you wrote about falling back to L10 feature set plus additional features acquired during the two years of subscription minus cloud or AI is what I had understood. Hopefully, more clarity will be forthcoming. At age 69, I'll need to stop the subscription service in a few years when I need to step down from vocational ministry (currently in a 22-year pastorate).Thanks much.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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I would hesitate to cancel Connect. Mark has indicated that credit will be given for the 'leftover' Connect subscription. If so, no money will be lost, as the unused subscription will be applied to Pro cost at the conversion. Plus, at least the 'cashback' 2% benefit will also be given at transition if Connect is still active (will there be other benefits? a bit unclear). Mark's recommendation is to keep Connect until the transition.
Whether to upgrade to Logos 10 is another question. I am choosing not to, as I don't see much of a risk of unsubscribing. The loss of 'online' features is a bit unclear to me. I don't think much (or any) of my current usage depends upon online features, so again I am not concerned.
Even in retirement, $100 a year doesn't seem too outrageous to maintain Logos. But loss of online features doesn't seem too problematic even if I chose to end subscription at some point.
That's my thoughts anyway.
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Bobby Terhune said:
This has been a very challenging time with a lot of questions yet to be answered. My best advice is to wait for more clarification. I am sure Logos will give plenty of notice before your option to purchase the L10 full feature set is gone (if indeed it will be gone).
I agree. I am currently paying for both Connect and Pro and I am hoping that Logos will be offering big discounts on the purchase of L10 full feature sets to current Connect subscribers once the (full) transition to the subscription model begins.
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Bill Moore said:
Thanks, Bobby.
Because I do not yet own an L10 Features upgrade (full or otherwise), as far as you understand it, were I to subscribe to Pro for two years and then cancel, I would "fall back" to L10 features that did not rely on AI or cloud. Is that correct, or would I "fall back" to L6 plus Pro features (which L6 would leave gaps or inconsistencies)?
My latest features package is L6.I don't mean to sound obtuse (though I may simply be that!) but am just trying to make sure that I understand.
I don't think this question has been answered. I'd like to know the answer, so it is a matter of curiosity because I own L10 Full feature set.
I think I can extract the unobservable factors that determine how the new CEO installed by the private equity is being compensated. There are bread crumbs here and there and we can piece it together. This is me going down some intellectual rabbit holes.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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David Carter said:Bobby Terhune said:
This has been a very challenging time with a lot of questions yet to be answered. My best advice is to wait for more clarification. I am sure Logos will give plenty of notice before your option to purchase the L10 full feature set is gone (if indeed it will be gone).
I agree. I am currently paying for both Connect and Pro and I am hoping that Logos will be offering big discounts on the purchase of L10 full feature sets to current Connect subscribers once the (full) transition to the subscription model begins.
Thanks for your input, David. My Connect subscription runs through August 31. Are you suggesting that I continue the Connect subscription while also subscribing to Pro. I don’t understand the reason.
I hope you’re right about forthcoming nice discounts on L10 Full Features upgrade.
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Bill Moore said:
Thanks for your input, David. My Connect subscription runs through August 31. Are you suggesting that I continue the Connect subscription while also subscribing to Pro. I don’t understand the reason.
Honestly Bill, the only reason I subscribe to Pro is because I like trying out new things. It explains why for years I have subscribed to the beta channel [:D]
Mark Barnes has always maintained there will be a pathway from Connect to Pro and I have no reason to doubt him. Mark has also advised against canceling a Connect subscription because of the potential loss of any benefits.
So if I were you I would continue with your Connect subscription and not subscribe to Pro at the moment (unless like me you like trying out new things [:)] )
Logos have never been in the business of ripping people off, and I don't believe they are going to start now. I am sure they will be more than fair to all of us.
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David Carter said:
I agree. I am currently paying for both Connect and Pro and I am hoping that Logos will be offering big discounts on the purchase of L10 full feature sets to current Connect subscribers once the (full) transition to the subscription model begins
Are you subscribed to the discounted rate of Logos Pro? If you subscribe to the annual subscription you will save some over the course of a year. In this case you don't need to worry about ever purchasing the full feature set. After being subscribed for two years you will retain ownership of all non cloud/AI features that you had access to at the time you cancelled the subscription. It's worth mentioning, however, that this is not the same as the Logos 10 full feature set. There are some features in the Logos 10 full feature set that will not be included in the fallback license. It's true that this transition has been quite confusing.
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In my experience, Logos has been surprisingly generous.
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GaoLu said:
In my experience, Logos has been surprisingly generous.
You can use the history to forecast the future only if there is no "structural break" - a big event that makes the history irrelevant. For example, I could work 10-12 hours/day before my first child was born. I can't use my pre-child history to forecast the future. I've never gone back to working 10-12 hours/day. Similarly, the new private equity owner of Logos changes everything. They didn't buy into Logos to be generous to customers. They are trying to get the maximum return for their investors. There will be no meat left on the bone - I can tell you that.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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Thanks, David, Aaron, GaoLu and 1Cor10 31 ... I quite agree about Logos' past trustworthiness, and I think that any change in that will gut its business. I'm just trying to decide whether I need to invest in an L10 features upgrade while it's still available.
Frankly, I think that the current L10 Silver features would suffice for what I need, so if the fallback is to even that level down the road, I would not find the way that I use Logos hampered.
I could just purchase L10 Silver features upgrade and go about my business, but I am intrigued by the AI potential, so that would warrant, in my estimation, at least two years of subscribing to Pro at the same annual rate as I currently do with Connect.Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Are you subscribed to the discounted rate of Logos Pro? If you subscribe to the annual subscription you will save some over the course of a year.
Currently paying the monthly rate (as I do with Connect/Logos Now). Once we all know exactly what is (and isn't) included in the subscription tiers I will probably switch to an annual subscription.
Aaron Hamilton said:In this case you don't need to worry about ever purchasing the full feature set.
I'm not so sure about that because as you say yourself:
Aaron Hamilton said:It's worth mentioning, however, that this is not the same as the Logos 10 full feature set. There are some features in the Logos 10 full feature set that will not be included in the fallback license.
As things stand, nobody seems to know for sure what may - or may not - be lost by not owning the Logos 10 full feature set. Unless I have missed this in the hundreds of posts that I have read in the forum.
Aaron Hamilton said:It's true that this transition has been quite confusing.
On that we can most certainly agree! [Y]
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David,
True, some features of the Logos 10 full feature set will not be included in the fallback license because they depend on the cloud or AI. I don't know exactly, but an email to customer service may shed some light on that. If my memory serves me correctly, the translation tool may be a feature that will not be included in the Fallback License. However, it is also worth noting that the fallback license will include many features that the Logos 10 full feature set does not include, because you will earn the Fallback license a full 4 years after the Logos 10 full feature set release. In your shoes I would choose to not purchase the full feature set. The couple features I may hang on to several years down the road likely wouldn't provide enough incentive for me personally. But you may reach a different conclusion. I also think it would be perfectly reasonable for you to receive the full feature set at a discounted price, given your connect subscription, if you opt to go that route. But I guess we'll see what offers they come up with as the Fall approaches.
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Hi Bill,
My question would be: do you plan on subscribing to Logos Pro? If so, then do you plan to subscribe for at least 2 years? If so, then I am not sure buying Logos 10 Feature set makes economic sense as you will have most, if not all, of the Logos 10 features after 2 years if you terminate your subscription. As Mark suggested in another post, if your resubscribe to Connect whatever is left on your subscription when all the options are made available will carry over. You will no lose anything.
If you do not plan on subscribing, then a purchase of a feature set makes sense.
I am a connect subscriber and plan on continuing to subscribe as the options are made available.l
Lastly, Mark has indicated that the Logos 10 feature sets will be available until you are notified otherwise.
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Bill Moore said:
The latest full feature set that I purchased is Logos 6. I have been subscribing to Logos Now/Faithlife Connect: No Library for years.
I invite being corrected. The fallbacks are added features (non-ai) from Nov 2022 (Logos 10) until the discussed 2-years from now (Logos 11). So, by then, you'd be missing L7-9 features, absent purchase now (if subscribe>fallback).
Also, randomly in the conversations is mention of discounted purchase of the fallbacks. Not 'free'.
I really wish Mark would simply pin a post (no questions) outlining the scenarios.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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John Fidel said:
Hi Bill,
My question would be: do you plan on subscribing to Logos Pro? If so, then do you plan to subscribe for at least 2 years? If so, then I am not sure buying Logos 10 Feature set makes economic sense as you will have most, if not all, of the Logos 10 features after 2 years if you terminate your subscription. As Mark suggested in another post, if your resubscribe to Connect whatever is left on your subscription when all the options are made available will carry over. You will no lose anything.
If you do not plan on subscribing, then a purchase of a feature set makes sense.
I am a connect subscriber and plan on continuing to subscribe as the options are made available.l
Lastly, Mark has indicated that the Logos 10 feature sets will be available until you are notified otherwise.
Thanks, John. Through the discussion in this thread, I've come to the position that you've laid out. I was satisfied with Connect and paying the annual subscription, so I'm committing to a new subscription, probably Pro, for two years. The Fallback License provides the comfort that I'll fall back to relatively new features and not all the way back to L6 full features.
What I'm not convinced about is continuing my Connect subscription while I have Pro. When Mark first made that suggestion, it was in early March. We are several months down the road, bumping up against August. I obviously don't keep up with the forums, but it would seem that the new prescriptions are beginning to settle some. I may be wrong. I would think that we're two or three months away before the official rollout. I could definitely be wrong about that, so please correct me if you have other information.
Does Logos have a comparison chart of the new tiers against Connect? That would be helpful.
Unless I get new information, I think that I'm content to let my Connect subscription run out on August 31. I intend to begin the first free month of Pro (perhaps Max) on Monday.
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As Mark suggested in another post, if your resubscribe to Connect whatever is left on your subscription when all the options are made available will carry over. You will not lose anything.
John, what is meant by "if you resubscribe to Connect whatever is left on your subscription ... will carry over"?
My understanding is that there may be some features in Connect (which I probably do not use but it's hard to tell unless I can try Pro and turn off Connect) that may not be in the new subscription that one may choose. I'm looking at Pro. So those feature in Connect that don't carry over to Pro will cease whenever the Connect subscription is finally done away with, right?
[It can be hard not to double-post in these forums, can't it? It takes the system so long to update that it seems that we must have missed the "post" button, so we press it again. I've seen triple and quadruple posts in the past, and I suspect it is due to this lag.}
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DMB said:
I invite being corrected. The fallbacks are added features (non-ai) from Nov 2022 (Logos 10) until the discussed 2-years from now (Logos 11). So, by then, you'd be missing L7-9 features, absent purchase now (if subscribe>fallback).
Also, randomly in the conversations is mention of discounted purchase of the fallbacks. Not 'free'.
Mark and the website mention retaining ownership of features after two years of subscription. To the best of my knowledge, this means ownership of the fallback license is acquired at no additional cost. Also, I have not gotten the impression that the fallback license is affected by whatever features one previously owned. Someone who owns L6 will receive an identical fallback license as someone who owns L10 (the the user who owns L6 will not be eligible for the discounted pricing, however, unless they, for example, are a connect subscriber.
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Aaron, I agree that's been the slippery sounds-like words (including the CEO).
But if true, it'd be a major, major financial loss for FL ... newbies pick up maybe $900 of features (L4-11) for approx $250+ subscription/fallback. And oldies, meh.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Aaron Hamilton said:DMB said:
I invite being corrected. The fallbacks are added features (non-ai) from Nov 2022 (Logos 10) until the discussed 2-years from now (Logos 11). So, by then, you'd be missing L7-9 features, absent purchase now (if subscribe>fallback).
Also, randomly in the conversations is mention of discounted purchase of the fallbacks. Not 'free'.
Mark and the website mention retaining ownership of features after two years of subscription. To the best of my knowledge, this means ownership of the fallback license is acquired at no additional cost. Also, I have not gotten the impression that the fallback license is affected by whatever features one previously owned. Someone who owns L6 will receive an identical fallback license as someone who owns L10 (the the user who owns L6 will not be eligible for the discounted pricing, however, unless they, for example, are a connect subscriber.
The full price of Logos 10 Features is $800 (https://www.logos.com/product/228476/logos-10-full-feature-upgrade). Why do you think that if you subscribe for 2 years ($200 total) regardless of whether you own No features of L9 Feature set, you will expect to get all the non-AI/cloud L10 features after 2 years as a Legacy Fallback option? The product is going to get expensive, not cheaper going forward.
I think it is unclear communication that is the problem.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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DMB and I are on the same wavelength!
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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My speculation is that Logos is banking on the vast majority of subscribers continuing their subscriptions, and the number of Logos users who take the fallback option to be few. Again, that is only speculation ... a firm word from Logos would help.
And, of course, in the digital world nothing is really guaranteed, is it? That's the somewhat part of it all, and that's what leads many of us to purchasing, or at least think seriously about purchasing, feature sets, although that in itself would last only as long at the device OS supported it.
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1Cor10 31 said:
DMB and I are on the same wavelength!
The most recent confirming clue (this is crazy), is Mark, a week(s) ago, was selling the subscription fallback benefit as 2-updates worth of features, not just 1.
Meaning 4 years of new features for 2 years subscribing>fallback. Not 17 years worth of features for 2 years subscribing>fallback.
But, again ... ??
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
Aaron, I agree that's been the slippery sounds-like words (including the CEO).
But if true, it'd be a major, major financial loss for FL ... newbies pick up maybe $900 of features (L4-11) for approx $250+ subscription/fallback. And oldies, meh.
2 years of a max subscription at the annual non-discounted rate would cost $700 if my memory serves me correctly. Only the max subscription would provide a fallback license that includes all offline features.
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DMB said:
The most recent confirming clue (this is crazy), is Mark, a week(s) ago, was selling the subscription fallback benefit as 2-updates worth of features, not just 1.
Meaning 4 years of new features for 2 years subscribing>fallback. Not 17 years worth of features for 2 years subscribing>fallback.
But, again ... ??
Wasn't Mark speaking to someone who had the full feature set? That person would be eligible for the discounted subscription and would receive 4 years worth of offline features after 2 years of subscription.
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My connect sub expires the week after next.
Any advice on what to do?
Also, I want to subscribe to Pro (I have early access now). How do I pay for the 2 year sub up-front?
Appreciate any help!Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Jerry Bush said:
Also, I want to subscribe to Pro (I have early access now). How do I pay for the 2 year sub up-front?
Based on the language used by Mark Barnes, there will not technically be a 2 year subscription, though they are trying to enable users to purchase two one-year subscriptions at once. You can go to the early access page today and purchase the annual pro subscription (you will save money vs monthly payments).
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Regarding subscriptions, this is the latest I could find from Mark Barnes. I will readily admit that the information is very vague and not incredibly helpful for your situation.
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:We're still finalizing the details, but I think that when the migration happens, those with only a Connect subscription will be moved onto Logos Pro (apart from those on the lowest Connect tier). They'll retain any cashback accrued and whatever time remains on their Connect subscription. They'll be able to upgrade to Max at the discounted rate if they choose.
If you subscribe to both Early Access and Connect, it will be a bit more complex for us to migrate. We might have to process them manually. So while the same principles will apply, I'm not yet sure exactly what it will look like, sorry.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Regarding subscriptions, this is the latest I could find from Mark Barnes. I will readily admit that the information is very vague and not incredibly helpful for your situation.
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:We're still finalizing the details, but I think that when the migration happens, those with only a Connect subscription will be moved onto Logos Pro (apart from those on the lowest Connect tier). They'll retain any cashback accrued and whatever time remains on their Connect subscription. They'll be able to upgrade to Max at the discounted rate if they choose.
If you subscribe to both Early Access and Connect, it will be a bit more complex for us to migrate. We might have to process them manually. So while the same principles will apply, I'm not yet sure exactly what it will look like, sorry.
That's really helpful, Aaron. I saw elsewhere that Mark said there's no reason to "panic-buy" (his words) a Logos 10 full feature set.
Putting all this together, I'm inclined simply to continue with Connect, even upping my annual subscription (which ends August 31), and hold off switching to the new Pro or possibly Max, given that we will be able to migrate at the discounted prices.
Do I understand this correctly?
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Jerry Bush said:
Also, I want to subscribe to Pro (I have early access now). How do I pay for the 2 year sub up-front?
Call customer support and they can set you up with the 2 year subscription.
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I may have missed something, but if I understood Mark correctly, Logos Max equals the Logos 10 full feature set right now. Logos Max is for original language studies,
So if we subscribe to Pro and don’t have the Logos 10 full feature set, what original language features would we loose? Do we have to subscribe to Logos Max for two years to be able to keep everything in the Logos full feature set?
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Bobby Terhune said:
I may have missed something, but if I understood Mark correctly, Logos Max equals the Logos 10 full feature set right now. Logos Max is for original language studies,
So if we subscribe to Pro and don’t have the Logos 10 full feature set, what original language features would we loose? Do we have to subscribe to Logos Max for two years to be able to keep everything in the Logos full feature set?
Good question, Bobby. As a long-time pastor, I have enough biblical languages to be dangerous (four semesters of Greek and one of Hebrew). From what I can tell, Max goes deeper into the language weeds than I'm equipped to go. I may be wrong about that, but I think that Pro will give me all that I need to gain an understanding of words and syntax behind the English translation so that I can understand the text more fully and exegetical commentaries with comprehension. I doubt that I would utilize what Max offers.
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1Cor10 31 said:
The full price of Logos 10 Features is $800 (https://www.logos.com/product/228476/logos-10-full-feature-upgrade). Why do you think that if you subscribe for 2 years ($200 total) regardless of whether you own No features of L9 Feature set, you will expect to get all the non-AI/cloud L10 features after 2 years as a Legacy Fallback option?
Make sure you're comparing like for like. The price of $100/yr for the pro level is only if you already own the v10 feature set. Otherwise it's higher. So buying v10 locks in the features for ownership and also lowers the subscription costs.
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Jonathan Huber said:
1Cor10 31">The full price of Logos 10 Features is $800 (https://www.logos.com/product/228476/logos-10-full-feature-upgrade). Why do you think that if you subscribe for 2 years ($200 total) regardless of whether you own No features of L9 Feature set, you will expect to get all the non-AI/cloud L10 features after 2 years as a Legacy Fallback option?
Make sure you're comparing like for like. The price of $100/yr for the pro level is only if you already own the v10 feature set. Otherwise it's higher. So buying v10 locks in the features for ownership and also lowers the subscription costs.
Jonathan, are you including Faithlife Connect subscribers in your statement. Evidently having "owned" the L10 feature set via a Faithlife Connect subscription qualifies also. Mark Barnes' post introducing Logos Pro says:
[quote] One of the tiers of the forthcoming subscription will be called Logos Pro, and it will be aimed specifically at pastors. The full launch of these subscriptions won’t happen until later in the year, but if you own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set or subscribe to Faithlife Connect (excluding Starter and Mobile), you can get early access to Logos Pro today at a very special price.
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I’m not making any distinctions, just saying that if one is assuming $800 to buy v10 (not a v10 owner) or $200 for a 2y subscription (only true for v10 owner), thats not a fair comparison. How you qualify as a v10 owner doesn't change that if I’ve understood things correctly.
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I see ... and agree.
As I understand it, and that's always up for grabs, one who has upgraded to L10 FFS (or who has all that is in the L10 FFS via a Logos Connect subscription) has all that is viable from the previous full feature sets and evidently qualifies for early subscriber discount to the new tiered subscription versions.
Some things remain a bit confusing, which Logos seems to acknowledge.
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Bill they will apply the remaining connect subscription to you logos pro subscription so you never lose any. features when you discontinue connect.
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Just so we are clear the discount is also for connect subscribers.
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John Fidel said:
Bill they will apply the remaining connect subscription to you logos pro subscription so you never lose any. features when you discontinue connect.
[quote]Just so we are clear the discount is also for connect subscribers.
Right, John, that's what I've come to understand. What I don't understand is why not go ahead and purchase an annual subscription to, say, Logos Pro at the discounted price if one is at or near the end of their annual Faithlife Connect subscription.
Mark Barnes somewhere advised, if I recall correctly, to continue with one's Connect subscription until notified by Logos about how to migrate, and if someone wanted to add Pro or Max to their Connect subscription, they could carry two prescriptions at the same time. I appreciate that one may lose books from one's Connect subscription if it has a library involved, but many of us have the "No Library" Connect subscription because we came from Logos Now.
It would be great (and maybe I've missed it) to be able to compare Logos Connect:No Library with the new Premium, Pro, and Max tiers.
I know we need to be patient, and I'm working on it!
Edit: John, I just caught something that you wrote: "they will apply the remaining connect subscription to you logos pro subscription so you never lose any. features when you discontinue connect."
Are you saying that if Logos migrates a Connect user to the new Pro or Max that all the features of Connect will remain?
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Hi Bill,
This is per Mark:
We're still finalizing the details, but I think that when the migration happens, those with only a Connect subscription will be moved onto Logos Pro (apart from those on the lowest Connect tier). They'll retain any cashback accrued and whatever time remains on their Connect subscription. They'll be able to upgrade to Max at the discounted rate if they choose.
If you subscribe to both Early Access and Connect, it will be a bit more complex for us to migrate. We might have to process them manually. So while the same principles will apply, I'm not yet sure exactly what it will look like, sorry.
And per Mark:
At the risk of repeating myself, I am sorry that Connect subscribers are somewhat stuck at the moment. We are doing our best to get the migrations planned as fast as we can.
At some point between now and the launch, we will email existing Connect subscribers, giving a date for migration. In that email, we'll explain what you'll gain and lose (if anything) due to the migration. We will ensure we migrate the unused portion of your subscription, along with the 2% cashback you've accumulated.
If you cancel before that, I'm afraid we won't be able to reimburse you for the unused portion of your subscription, and you will likely lose any cashback you've accumulated.
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Thanks, John. Hopefully the wait is not much longer. I’m ready to subscribe for two years whenever Logos is ready to replace my Connect subscription. I don’t see my carrying two subscriptions in order to check out the features of Pro.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Bill Moore said:
I hope you’re right about forthcoming nice discounts on L10 Full Features upgrade.
I am right LOL.
In the Logos 10 Farewell Tour which runs from today (Aug 1) until September 6th, the Logos 10 Full Feature Set Upgrade is discounted by (up to) 65% https://www.logos.com/product/228476/logos-10-full-feature-upgrade
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David Carter said:Bill Moore said:
I hope you’re right about forthcoming nice discounts on L10 Full Features upgrade.
I am right LOL.
In the Logos 10 Farewell Tour which runs from today (Aug 1) until September 6th, the Logos 10 Full Feature Set Upgrade is discounted by (up to) 65% https://www.logos.com/product/228476/logos-10-full-feature-upgrade
A tip of the hat to you, David.
It was easier to say "no" to the L10 Full Feature Upgrade when my dynamic price was $470, but $165? Hmm.
I need to be more careful about what I hope for! 😂
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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With the Logos 10 Full Features upgrade now significantly discounted with the L10 Farewell Tour 2024 ($165 for me to move up from the L6 features that I own), would it make sense to purchase it if one intends to subscribe to Logos Pro or Max?
I'm inclined to purchase it for a sense of features security, though the two-year fallback option for subscribers makes me wonder if purchasing makes financial sense.
Any thoughts?Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Bill Moore said:
, would it make sense to purchase it if one intends to subscribe to Logos Pro or Max?
Bill Moore said:I'm inclined to purchase it for a sense of features security, though the two-year fallback option for subscribers makes me wonder if purchasing makes financial sense.
If you want to 1) Actually OWN the L10 Full Features (L10-FFS) and 2) Get the best discount on a subscription then my answer is YES pick up the L10 Full features.
For L10-FFS owners the Logos-Max is $130/year ($100/year for Pro). For non-L10-FFS owners it is (if I remember correctly) around $350/per year ($250/year for Pro).
So, $165 for YOUR L10-FFS plus $130 or $100 for your 1st year subscription...Yea you save. Two years of just L-Pro without owning the L10-FFS is $500.00.
Yea, it would make sense to me...
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Let me add this.
$165 for the L10-FFS
$$200 for a two year subscription to Pro.
Equals $365.00.
With no FFS ownership you have $500 for two years.
You save $135.00 or there abouts.
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AND...You lock in the cheaper subscription rate to boot!
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Roy said:Bill Moore said:
, would it make sense to purchase it if one intends to subscribe to Logos Pro or Max?
Bill Moore said:I'm inclined to purchase it for a sense of features security, though the two-year fallback option for subscribers makes me wonder if purchasing makes financial sense.
If you want to 1) Actually OWN the L10 Full Features (L10-FFS) and 2) Get the best discount on a subscription then my answer is YES pick up the L10 Full features.
For L10-FFS owners the Logos-Max is $130/year ($100/year for Pro). For non-L10-FFS owners it is (if I remember correctly) around $350/per year ($250/year for Pro).
So, $165 for YOUR L10-FFS plus $130 or $100 for your 1st year subscription...Yea you save. Two years of just L-Pro without owning the L10-FFS is $500.00.
Yea, it would make sense to me...
Hi, Roy. As a long-time Connect:No Library subscriber, I get the same discounted prices you mentioned were I to subscribe to early-access Max or Pro.
And after two years of subscribing to either Max or Pro, I would have the option to cancel my subscription but "own" the non-AI/cloud features of Max or Pro, depending on which I choose. At that point, I guess it's a wash.
And yet the insurance of actually "owning" (I have to think of digital ownership in quotation marks, it seems) the features over the next two years is some insurance, I guess.
But I was also thinking about cloud-necessary features. I think I would continue to have access to them if purchasing an L10 full feature upgrade but not so with the 2-year fallback option.
Unless, of course, I'm seeing this wrongly! And that could well be.Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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