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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Apr 23 2015 5:01 PM

Just saw this (http://www.dts.edu/logos/) and was wondering if Logos has made any headway with the Theo Seminary in Berrien?  This would be an amazing equipping tool for students that will stay with them.  I know I spoke to Dr. Moskala about this a little and he said the faculty has discussed this issue and believes Logos to be the leader in bible software.  I would think the NAD would want this for all pastors to keep them equipped and knowledgeable from all aspects as Logos can do. 

Don't know why the link doesn't seem to work above so I'll try it again here.

http://www.dts.edu/logos/

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 23 2015 5:09 PM

I really do not have any connections to who's who in the seminary (just a student).  If someone else on here does maybe you could share this with the who's who in faculty there.  However, if you have watched the video, I applaud DTS for taking this step in equipping their leaders for the seminar and after the seminary.  I for one already have the software but many others do not!  It would bless them as it has me in so many ways.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 23 2015 6:05 PM

Do you know this was funded by donors and user fees?

https://www.logos.com/press/releases/logos-dts-partnership

"DTS is underwriting this program through donor generosity and a small portion of the students’ technology fee."

Logos 7 Collectors Edition

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 23 2015 6:26 PM

Yes I do know this, but I also know the SDA Theo Seminary has many donors as well. How did the donors for DTS step forward?  Someone sold the idea to them and it meant so much to them that they believed in giving for the cause. I'm not saying it should be free as DTS has done for the next five years, but even if some kind of huge discount rate done for seminary students, such as 75% off.  It's possible that Logos as well helped DTS make this happen with some sort of discount that probably was worked out behind the scenes and reduced the costs. (I know that I am speculating)  

I'm no expert on this for sure but I do know Logos needs to be in the hands of every Seminary student at Andrews. Its a win win for Logos, the seminary, the SDA church, and the students.  I'm really happy to see that DTS also trains the students on how to use the software as well.  As powerful and as much as Logos can do, there is a bit of a learning curve to the software because it can just do so much.  So happy to see they want their students trained how to use it. 

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 24 2015 11:44 AM

A group of Seminary professors at Andrews viewed a Skype-type demonstration of the new Logos language tools, by a top Logos presenter. I understand the profs were quite impressed with what L6 can do, and there are discussions underway with the Logos academic team.

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John Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 26 2015 10:38 AM

That is great news Martin!

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 30 2015 8:44 AM

Martin Weber:

A group of Seminary professors at Andrews viewed a Skype-type demonstration of the new Logos language tools, by a top Logos presenter. I understand the profs were quite impressed with what L6 can do, and there are discussions underway with the Logos academic team.

Praise the Lord! This is an answer to prayer! :) I knew it was just a matter of time before they would see the light. :) lol.

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 30 2015 9:50 AM

News flash: I requested an update this morning and can confirm that Logos academic team is working very closely with the Seminary faculty. And regarding the AU Seminary Studies, they have requested contractual information that we are pulling together for them in anticipation of a positive vote at an upcoming meeting of their board.

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 30 2015 9:56 AM

Martin Weber:

News flash: I requested an update this morning and can confirm that Logos academic team is working very closely with the Seminary faculty. And regarding the AU Seminary Studies, they have requested contractual information that we are pulling together for them in anticipation of a positive vote at an upcoming meeting of their board.

YesYesYesYesYesBig SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig Smile

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John Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 30 2015 3:38 PM

This is the best news I've heard all week! Praise God!

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2015 8:16 AM

Wow,  just saw this, I'm very happy to hear this taking place.  

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John Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 18 2015 8:42 AM

Can't wait to hear what they decide! We hope it will be a positive one! :-)

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 18 2015 8:55 AM

I am also hoping and praying for the best! Yes

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Tim Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 18 2015 8:36 PM

Martin Weber:

Here's our business plan: 1) Produce as many SDA Mobile Ed courses as can be arranged, produced and funded. Meanwhile, 2) work with the Andrews Seminary faculty in assisting their teaching ministry by developing an SDA academic master bundle that includes all their textbooks (that we can license) plus all their syllibi and perhaps class notes as well. This would use the Faithlife platform as a mutual communication tool (professor to students & students among themselves).

Martin, something to run by you... in reference to this business plan of yours... how do you think that an idea like the one I just posted here could benefit the Seminary's future plans with Logos Mobile Ed and make it even more valuable? Just some brainstorming ideas. Curious to know what you think. Smile Maybe this could help the Seminary use Logos Mobile Ed in the context of a semester system to help students stay on track?

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Reimar Vetne | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 5:03 AM

The lowest hanging fruit is for universities to use video lectures like Mobile Ed courses in their distance learning programs. Andrews University has an M.Div. in-ministry program where students stay in their local fields for the first half of the degree, meeting up for intensives in different parts of the US, and then moving to Michigan for the second half of the degree. Andrews could skip the intensive gatherings and use Mobile Ed courses for delivery of the content during the first 'in-ministry' part of the degree. The role of the teachers would then just be to facilitate an online discussion and to grade the homework assignments.

I think it will take a lot longer time before universities will use video lectures like Mobile Ed to replace in-classroom teaching. That would undermine their entire current business model, which is based on gathering people into a physical classroom and having teachers deliver content personally. But who knows what the future holds further down the road. Universities are conservative entities by nature, but we have to adapt more and more to the digital age where learning can take place anywhere.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 10:01 AM

Reimar, one of my dreams is lecturing to students in the Bachelors program ( I have a MaPth) in three or four different countries simultaneously, via the internet from the comfort of my study. 

PTZ Camera in each class that I control, and  students collaborate via website. 

In this model the University does not have to pay travel, housing etc., for a professor to teach for one semester or two weeks.

Lynden Williams Communications https://www.lyndenwilliams.net 

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Reimar Vetne | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 11:07 AM

Several Adventist universities have begun offering undergraduate distance learning courses in theology, so your dream of teaching should be quite doable, Lynden. Montemorelos offers a complete undergraduate degree in theology online, but it is taught in Spanish... Griggs University (part of Andrews University) might be a place you could contact, or some of the Caribbean institutions.

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Martin H Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 11:23 PM

I think your idea makes sense, Tim, but Reinar (following post) points out the limitations of its potential implementation. 

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 20 2015 6:22 PM

Lynden, I have a friend of mine here at the theological Seminary who has an undergraduate degree in Theology he obtained from Southwestern Adv. Univ., while he was bible working in Nebraska.  He never set foot on the campus of Southwestern.  I have another friend who I told about this and now he is doing the same the thing; he lives in Kentucky and has yet to set foot on the campus of Southwestern (located in Keene, Texas - small drive from Dallas/Fort Worth area).

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Rev. 14:6 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 20 2015 6:37 PM

Reimar Vetne:
The lowest hanging fruit is for universities to use video lectures like Mobile Ed courses in their distance learning programs. Andrews University has an M.Div. in-ministry program where students stay in their local fields for the first half of the degree, meeting up for intensives in different parts of the US, and then moving to Michigan for the second half of the degree. Andrews could skip the intensive gatherings and use Mobile Ed courses for delivery of the content during the first 'in-ministry' part of the degree. The role of the teachers would then just be to facilitate an online discussion and to grade the homework assignments.

I think it will take a lot longer time before universities will use video lectures like Mobile Ed to replace in-classroom teaching. That would undermine their entire current business model, which is based on gathering people into a physical classroom and having teachers deliver content personally. But who knows what the future holds further down the road. Universities are conservative entities by nature, but we have to adapt more and more to the digital age where learning can take place anywhere.

What I've noticed is there are many classes where they have cameras in classes filming for this very reason.  They are trying to supply the demand of classes for students off campus pursuing an MDiv or MA in the distance program.  I think if it a proper model was developed and marketed to the Seminary they just might go for it.  Of course the beginning is for Logos to get their foot in the door and be the Seminary choice bible software.  I think when that happens many other doors will open. I think a good follow up would be for Logos to offer once a year training seminar that goes over just what this amazing software can do.  Get some professors to attend, i.e., Roy Gane, Moskala (dean), Felix Cortez, Peckham, Glanz, Doukan, R. Davidson, etc., when they see the capabilities this software can do.  No telling what doors may open.  

I think that would be a good foundational relationship with the seminary.  Then present a model of Mobil ed, integration with the software, the profession recording, it may be a good sell. Tough sell but it may be possible.  It can also be sold from the perspective of continuing education to pastors everywhere who already have an MDiv and have no plans for a Phd, Thd, or DMin., but want further education, mobile ed is it. 

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