New Feature: Systematic Theology Section (Dataset)

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 12:34 PM
Ok. Thanks Dylan!
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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 12:43 PM

Seems to work, could not find any Lutheran, though

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 12:51 PM

This may be due to what's in your personal library. Unlike the Ancient Literature and Cultural Concepts sections, the Systematic Theology section will only return results from what is in your library.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 1:04 PM

Jacob Cerone:
This may be due to what's in your personal library

Ok, thanks!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 1:17 PM

Jacob Cerone:

Also, I've shared a collection file that has these systematic theologies. You can access it here.

Thank you - this is a big step forward for Logos users.

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 1:35 PM

Hmm. I've had to redownload the update to this version 3 times. It reaches 100% and then restarts the download. Does anyone have any tips on how to complete the download?

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Dylan Rondeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 1:39 PM

Liam:

Hmm. I've had to redownload the update to this version 3 times. It reaches 100% and then restarts the download. Does anyone have any tips on how to complete the download?

You may need to contact our Tech Support, but I know they are well versed in handling these sorts of issues. 

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 29 2015 3:42 PM

Any Chance we can get Larry Hart's "Truth Aflame: Theology for the Church in Renewal" that is in Vyrso added to the dataset?

https://vyrso.com/product/22623/truth-aflame

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 30 2015 11:19 PM

Veli Voipio:

Jacob Cerone:
This may be due to what's in your personal library

Ok, thanks!

I bought one Lutheran systematic theology resource (not Pieper) from the list (You can access it here ) and tested once more, and now mine has also Lutheran links 

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Alex Houston | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 4:45 PM

As a new user this is one of the most exciting features I've seen in Logos 6 so far.  Too bad I spent almost 600 dollars and can't get it without a monthly subscription.  It would be nice to use functionality with the new 179 dollar Bavinck set I just bought too. Does this really have to be an additional fee to use when we've spent so much money already? 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 5:28 PM

Alex Houston:
Does this really have to be an additional fee to use when we've spent so much money already? 

Should the developers keep eating? Wink

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 7:48 PM

Alex Houston:

As a new user this is one of the most exciting features I've seen in Logos 6 so far.

Thanks for the feedback, Alex. Glad to hear it. And welcome to the forums.

Alex Houston:

Too bad I spent almost 600 dollars and can't get it without a monthly subscription.  It would be nice to use functionality with the new 179 dollar Bavinck set I just bought too. Does this really have to be an additional fee to use when we've spent so much money already? 

This feature represents a significant amount of data work identifying, organizing, and classifying hundreds of systematic theology and then classifying their Bible references by various areas of systematic theology. Our business model is to charge for content: book content, data content, interactive content, and media content. But typically we provide code free of charge (at least eventually; Logos Now provides early access to code/features that will be freely available later).

By charging for this data, it enables us to reinvest back into creating even more features for theological study. There are several really exciting ideas we'd like to pursue (see here and here), and with the necessary resources we'll be able to make them a reality.

I'd encourage you to give Logos Now a try. You can evaluate it for a full 30 days and then decide whether it offers enough value to warrant the $7.50 (if you opt to pay annually) per month. You could also consider subscribing to Logos Now when you need access to this data and feature and then temporarily canceling your subscription when you don't need it.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 9:56 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

This feature represents a significant amount of data work identifying, organizing, and classifying hundreds of systematic theology and then classifying their Bible references by various areas of systematic theology. Our business model is to charge for content: book content, data content, interactive content, and media content. But typically we provide code free of charge (at least eventually; Logos Now provides early access to code/features that will be freely available later).

By charging for this data, it enables us to reinvest back into creating even more features for theological study. There are several really exciting ideas we'd like to pursue (see here and here), and with the necessary resources we'll be able to make them a reality.

I'd encourage you to give Logos Now a try. You can evaluate it for a full 30 days and then decide whether it offers enough value to warrant the $7.50 (if you opt to pay annually) per month. You could also consider subscribing to Logos Now when you need access to this data and feature and then temporarily canceling your subscription when you don't need it.

Phil,

It's exciting for me that Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, and I know that you have put a lot of effort into it. It looks a lot more useful and interesting than many of the tools and datasets I've received as part of my base package purchases.

Do you understand how frustrating it is that, while Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, I am unable to purchase it, unlike nearly all of the other (some almost useless to me) tools and datasets you have put out? (Renting is not the same things as purchasing.) Why is it that when a tool has at last come out in systematics, this has to be the point at which you have to make the paradigm shift as to how your customers can give you money for the stuff you want to be given money for?

I'm willing to pay money for this tool and dataset. I'm not willing to pay $7.50 or $9 a month in perpetuity for it, as none of the other things available with a Now subscription as of yet are sufficiently useful to make it compelling. A lot more needs to be ready even before I'm willing to use up the free trial month.

I am hoping that this condition does not continue indefinitely, that either this tool becomes available for purchase (e.g., as part of an L7 package) or Logos Now becomes compelling enough to subscribe to (i.e., with more tools and features and some sort of discount on what is incorporated into L7). But your organizational fear of disclosing plans or making promises gives me no clue as to when such a change might take place. I would encourage you all to take constructively some of the critical feedback you've received about this and make some adjustments and clarify--substantively--some of these issues.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2015 10:35 PM

Sean:
It's exciting for me that Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, and I know that you have put a lot of effort into it. It looks a lot more useful and interesting than many of the tools and datasets I've received as part of my base package purchases.

I'm glad you're excited about it. I'm eager to see us do even more for theological study.

Sean:
Do you understand how frustrating it is that, while Logos has finally come out with a tool in my discipline, I am unable to purchase it, unlike nearly all of the other (some almost useless to me) tools and datasets you have put out?

I do understand your frustration. I'm sorry. I wish I had a simple solution for you that didn't force you to wait or subscribe if you're not disposed to either.

Sean:
I am hoping that this condition does not continue indefinitely, that either this tool becomes available for purchase (e.g., as part of an L7 package) or Logos Now becomes compelling enough to subscribe to (i.e., with more tools and features and some sort of discount on what is incorporated into L7).

This dataset and feature meets the criteria for inclusion in Logos 7 base packages and crosgrades, so it's highly likely you'll be able to purchase it when Logos 7 comes out.

Logos Now is getting increasingly compelling with each new release. If it's not there yet for you, just keep an eye on what we release in the next few releases.

Sean:
But your organizational fear of disclosing plans or making promises gives me no clue as to when such a change might take place. I would encourage you all to take constructively some of the critical feedback you've received about this and make some adjustments and clarify--substantively--some of these issues.

Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate it.

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