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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 7 2017 10:02 PM

Paul, a common interest, indeed. My traveling companion is still the Asus Vivotab Note 8 you helped me find. Thank you! The Wacom stylus has given out, but the TouchMouse Pointer seems to be making up for some of what the stylus did.

Shalom, shalom,

Steve

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 12:32 AM

I have moved up to the new model Venue 8 pro. (refurb)  It now has Wacom technology, 4 GB ram, 64 Bit OS, a slightly quicker Atom processor, and full HD display. I still haven't pulled the trigger for the $30 optional stylus. As you say, touchmousepointer gets the job done.

May God continue to bless your studies.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 8:23 AM

Steve Maling:

I don't know about user installation of a larger SSD. But the Microsoft Store makes clear that larger SSD's are to be had (for a price, of course!).

I asked the local Microsoft Store about upgrading the SSD on my Surface Pro I and I was told that they were not upgradable. To get a larger SSD would require purchasing a new Pro. Of course, when I was in the cellular industry we were not trained on service issues and our commission structure was only based on sales of new units so that may have shaped the answer I received.

Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos8 on Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (Win10), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, [deprecated] Windows App, Proclaim, Faithlife.com, FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 9:53 AM

User SSD would depend on how it is made so many items these days are one board meaning if you want more ram or more storage in many cases must be what you purchase as upgrades are not possible. That said just did a quick search and on 2-4 of surfaces anyway the ssd can be upgraded. But not the ram. 

-dan

Dave see: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+3+SSD+Card+Replacement/51878

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 9:56 AM

I find my Surface Pro to be the best Logos experience that I have ever had, bar none.  However, that is with a combination of the touchscreen and the detachable keyboard.  Because Logos 7 is not touch friendly designed (a major flaw in my opinion), it is not as good using Logos in tablet mode.  It is great for just reading in tablet mode, but not for in depth study without both the keyboard and touchscreen.

Using a tablet mode only format, I think the best you can do is the Logos app on an iPad. 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 10:29 AM

You only need enough SSD sufficient to hold the data you plan to store.  My library fits in 40GB.  I don't have a lot of applications that take up lots of storage, so an SSD over 128GB is a wasted for me. 

The RAM size is something else.  4GB RAM is really too small.  8GB RAM seems to be adequate on Windows 10 on my surface.  I recently upgraded my work laptop to 16GB RAM.  This allows more applications to run at the same time without excessive paging overhead.  If you leave lots of windows open, you might consider more RAM, rather than more SSD. 

RAM size -> performance

SSD size -> how much you can store without running out of space

This assumes that you are running SSD rather than rotating disk storage since the Microsoft Surface models employ SSD.  Naturally, SSD provides much better performance than the older rotating disks.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 11:05 AM

Thank you all for your input. Truthfully I'm just window shopping ... kicking tires. I have a well stocked stable right now, But I like to keep abreast of the technology in case I run across an offer I  can't refuse.

God Bless you all.

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Dean Stow | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 12:11 PM

You can get a surface with a 1TB ssd from their website.  However, you have to get the i7 processor and the 16GB ram.  Price runs at $2600.

We have ordered at least one that big at work and it does run very well.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 8 2017 12:21 PM

If I had one of those , It would be like driving a Lamboghini on a dirt road. Of course i want one almost to the point of coveting. But I really don't think i need to search that fast.

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 7:44 AM

I use an 8"  kindle fire HD  - cheap and very very good (imho). I have a 128gb microsd in  the whole setup was just over £100 gbp 

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 1:04 PM

Paul C:

I have moved up to the new model Venue 8 pro. (refurb)  It now has Wacom technology, 4 GB ram, 64 Bit OS, a slightly quicker Atom processor, and full HD display. I still haven't pulled the trigger for the $30 optional stylus. As you say, touchmousepointer gets the job done.

Paul, do you have the Venue 8 Pro 5855? If so, can you describe the performance of it and comment on the heat it generates?

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 1:43 PM

Hi, Bill;

Yes, It's the 5855. It fills my "pocket portable" needs flawlessly. The Logos experience is improved on this unit. However, i must say the older one did a respectable job. Speed was not an issue. It would sometimes "stutter" just for a mili-second. This unit is much smoother/fluid. Undoubtedly due to double ram and faster processor. There is no heat issue at all. Even under heavy use, it remains cucumber cool. I am thrilled with the little machine. I do think the asking price is out of line. I don't have an issue with a refurbished unit. That brought it within my price range. ... ($225) The older Venue 8 was handed down to a nephew who sings it's praises. I only had $150 invested in it and used it for 3 years. It had Office included in that price. The 5855 does not, but OneNote is included in Windows 10. That's about all I used of the suite, anyway.

I hope this helps.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 3:49 PM

I would love to sell my original surface pro which is currently listed on ebay under joshinri.  Everyone please pray someone will consider buying it from me at the very reasonable price listed there which comes with pen, typecover and case.  Yes it could run hot but not hot enough to burn your hand...the Surface Pro 1 served me well and I now I am paying off the Surface Pro 3 I bought in its place...hopefully before Jesus returns.  SP of any kind, even my I5 on sale on ebay, runs Logos 7.x well.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 5:05 PM

Dan Francis:

User SSD would depend on how it is made so many items these days are one board meaning if you want more ram or more storage in many cases must be what you purchase as upgrades are not possible. That said just did a quick search and on 2-4 of surfaces anyway the ssd can be upgraded. But not the ram. 

-dan

Dave see: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+3+SSD+Card+Replacement/51878

Mine (and the one Josh is selling) was SP1, not SP3.

Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos8 on Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (Win10), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, [deprecated] Windows App, Proclaim, Faithlife.com, FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 6:31 PM

Paul C:

Hi, Bill;

Yes, It's the 5855. It fills my "pocket portable" needs flawlessly. The Logos experience is improved on this unit. However, i must say the older one did a respectable job. Speed was not an issue. It would sometimes "stutter" just for a mili-second. This unit is much smoother/fluid. Undoubtedly due to double ram and faster processor. There is no heat issue at all. Even under heavy use, it remains cucumber cool. I am thrilled with the little machine. I do think the asking price is out of line. I don't have an issue with a refurbished unit. That brought it within my price range. ... ($225) The older Venue 8 was handed down to a nephew who sings it's praises. I only had $150 invested in it and used it for 3 years. It had Office included in that price. The 5855 does not, but OneNote is included in Windows 10. That's about all I used of the suite, anyway.

I hope this helps.

It does help, thanks. One more question. Are you able to scroll through windows in Logos using your fingers? Some of the less powerful Windows tablets don't have enough performance to allow windows to scroll smoothly in touch mode. Again, thanks.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 6:31 PM

JoshInRI:

I would love to sell my original surface pro which is currently listed on ebay under joshinri.  Everyone please pray someone will consider buying it from me at the very reasonable price listed there which comes with pen, typecover and case.  Yes it could run hot but not hot enough to burn your hand...the Surface Pro 1 served me well and I now I am paying off the Surface Pro 3 I bought in its place...hopefully before Jesus returns.  SP of any kind, even my I5 on sale on ebay, runs Logos 7.x well.

Lower your price, Josh. Wink

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 9 2017 7:36 PM

Bill Anderson:
Are you able to scroll through windows in Logos using your fingers?
Yes . No issues with scrolling. I think that's what I was referring to as stuttering with the older Venue. However, It seems to work better for me to set the columns to '1". Then the arrows at the bottom (and the blank space to the left and right of the text) act as page up or page down. There is limited text on any page, It just seems quicker. ...But if one chose to scroll...it will do it fine.

As a side note : Highlighting with the finger is much more managable with columns set to "1".

I know that you have experimented with tablets enough to know that the 8 inch models fall into a niche. They are wonderful in their place but struggle to replace a laptop. Conversely, One will struggle to put a laptop in a cargo pants pocket. I add this for those who have not done the time getting attempting to get Logos to cooperate in the touch environment.

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Gregory Lynne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 10 2017 9:01 PM

I'm using Verbum on Android (smartphone) and an i7 pc (Win 7). The versions are completely different in capability and in performance. I have no idea what the Kindle version would look like or function as? Verbum doesn't give any insight or specs as to desired hardware, nor do they differentiate the performance enhancements in the PC version over the mobile versions.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 11 2017 5:04 AM

Dave Thawley:

I use an 8"  kindle fire HD  - cheap and very very good (imho). I have a 128gb microsd in  the whole setup was just over £100 gbp 

The Amazon units do not allow access to Google Play.  Thus the Verbum App needs to be side loaded.

It is a good unit just know its limits.  [[I have a HDX 8 inch and use the 3 logos apps for reading only - not deap study]] 

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 11 2017 5:15 AM

Just for the record, the Dell Venue 8 pro 5855 we've been discussing is a Windows 10 based unit. It accepts the full desktop version of logos/Verbum. You can store your complete library on the internal drive and have all the bells and whistles you enjoy on your PC, including working offline.

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