What Tablet would be best to study Logos?
I suffer from a painful Back and am best sitting on an armchair to study.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Colin
iPads are usually the benchmark for a tablet with Logos Bible app. You might want to consider using the tablet as a remote for accessing Logos 7 desktop in order to do more intensive work. The mobile app is getting better and better, but Logos on a PC or Mac is still preferable.
FWIW, Apple is expected to bring an updated line of iPads out fairly soon.
I have a Microsoft Surface Book. It runs Windows 10 and runs Logos in desktop mode. It can be run as a thin laptop. The storage is solid state disk, so it is very fast. The unit separates with the screen operating as a touch tablet on its own. The unit comes with a pen since the screen resolution is so high that a finger is many times too "fat".
The down side is that Logos desktop has not made any concessions to "touch tablet" mode. For one thing, this means that it can take a couple of extra actions in order to employ the "soft" keyboard in tablet mode.
The up side is that you would have all the capability of your desktop Logos available on the system.
I use my iPad for most of my reading. This is because I think it is easier to keep the notes organized on the tablets. I find it very clunky to direct a note to a non-existent or un-open note file on the desktop. This is simple on the tablet.
However, if you want to keep down the number of devices, then the Surface Book may be the way to go.
Hey Colin! Great question. Typically, if you're looking for a lighter version of the app meant to just read, you'd want to go with an iPad, or equivalent Android tablet, likely something in the Samsung family. However, if you want the full Logos experience, you'll want to look into investing in a Microsoft Surface Pro. Since they run a full version of the Windows 10 operating system, this means you can install the full Logos software, and get access to all of your tools and books, both online and offline.
I use my iPad for reading and my Desktop for primary study.
I don't own a Surface, but we have several at the office. If you can tolerate the smaller screen (or less screen real estate when you scale up to 150%), I would say that a Surface is the best of both worlds. No one has complained about their surface at work.
Dean
I believe it's rather dated now, but have been very happy with the Google Nexus 7 I got a few years back. It's an Android tablet that I use for reading on the subway. The Logos app is good for basic reading. It doesn't have anything near the functionality of the desktop application, though.
I haven't found any of the mobile apps to be good for serious study. To study, you need the desktop application. I use the mobile apps only for reading.
Before you spend a lot of money on an iPad Pro, please be aware that I have had very annoying intermittent problems with highlighting. It means that I don't use my iPad Pro any more for reading Logos books:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/131677.aspx?PageIndex=1
Unfortunately, Logos has so far not show interest in fixing this.
Take a look at the apps.... If the iOS app gives you all you need, an iPAD is ideal.... One thing to remember is that passage guide original language look up and most things other than basic reading requires a network connection. But you can accomplish a lot of basic study with your iPad or Android tablet. If you need the full app surface seems ideal. For me the iPad pro 9.7 works great.
-Dan
I use an HP desktop with 3 monitors for Bible study and writing. I use an iPad Pro 12" for reading.
I was pleasantly surprised in February after buying a Microsoft Surface 4 Pro to use at
Morris Proctors Camp 1 & 2 in Atlanta. It worked great and after looking around the room at
lunch, it was mostly Apple laptops and Windows laptops. Only 2 of us showed up with
the Surface. The other guy was told by his computer guru son to buy the Surface and he
is just as happy as I am. I use a Bluetooth mouse instead of the surface of the keyboard.
Logos runs fast on it and I could keep up with the fast pace that Morris teaches these Camps.
Hope this helps.
I have a Surface Pro I have used and am now selling under joshinri on ebay. It has Windows 10 and ran Logos wonderfully.
Yea, thanks for that, any particular Windows laptop?
Thanks so much, that's very helpful
Thanks so much, this is very helpful
Great answer, thanks so much, I may well go for this, depending on budget,
thanks,
I had a iPad and used it mostly for Logos. When I got a kindle fire for my kids I tried it with Logos and quickly got rid of the iPad because the kindle fire was plenty good enough. That my experience. I'd rather spend money on books than devices.
I believe it's rather dated now, but have been very happy with the Google Nexus 7 I got a few years back
I have a Surface Pro that I am very happy with, it gives the full logos experience (even though the interface is not fully touch enabled)
I also have an iPhone so I have the app in iOS and a Nexus 7 Android tablet. I prefer the 7" form factor over the iPhone for using the Apps. I also prefer the Android over iOS for pricing since my tablet is mostly for reading (since the Surface Pro does my heavy lifting).
I had a Surface Pro I (like the one JoshinRI is selling) and it worked perfectly with Logos. The ONLY reason I upgraded to the Surface Pro 4 was because I needed a larger SSD since this is my primary computer.
Is it possible to install larger ssd? ...Or is it maxed out at 128?
I don't know about user installation of a larger SSD. But the Microsoft Store makes clear that larger SSD's are to be had (for a price, of course!).
Thanks for the info, Steve. Seems we keep bumping into each other on these tablet threads .... common interest, I reckon.
Paul, a common interest, indeed. My traveling companion is still the Asus Vivotab Note 8 you helped me find. Thank you! The Wacom stylus has given out, but the TouchMouse Pointer seems to be making up for some of what the stylus did.
Shalom, shalom,
Steve
I have moved up to the new model Venue 8 pro. (refurb) It now has Wacom technology, 4 GB ram, 64 Bit OS, a slightly quicker Atom processor, and full HD display. I still haven't pulled the trigger for the $30 optional stylus. As you say, touchmousepointer gets the job done.
May God continue to bless your studies.
I find my Surface Pro to be the best Logos experience that I have ever had, bar none. However, that is with a combination of the touchscreen and the detachable keyboard. Because Logos 7 is not touch friendly designed (a major flaw in my opinion), it is not as good using Logos in tablet mode. It is great for just reading in tablet mode, but not for in depth study without both the keyboard and touchscreen.
Using a tablet mode only format, I think the best you can do is the Logos app on an iPad.
Paul, do you have the Venue 8 Pro 5855? If so, can you describe the performance of it and comment on the heat it generates?
Hi, Bill;
Yes, It's the 5855. It fills my "pocket portable" needs flawlessly. The Logos experience is improved on this unit. However, i must say the older one did a respectable job. Speed was not an issue. It would sometimes "stutter" just for a mili-second. This unit is much smoother/fluid. Undoubtedly due to double ram and faster processor. There is no heat issue at all. Even under heavy use, it remains cucumber cool. I am thrilled with the little machine. I do think the asking price is out of line. I don't have an issue with a refurbished unit. That brought it within my price range. ... ($225) The older Venue 8 was handed down to a nephew who sings it's praises. I only had $150 invested in it and used it for 3 years. It had Office included in that price. The 5855 does not, but OneNote is included in Windows 10. That's about all I used of the suite, anyway.
I hope this helps.
I would love to sell my original surface pro which is currently listed on ebay under joshinri. Everyone please pray someone will consider buying it from me at the very reasonable price listed there which comes with pen, typecover and case. Yes it could run hot but not hot enough to burn your hand...the Surface Pro 1 served me well and I now I am paying off the Surface Pro 3 I bought in its place...hopefully before Jesus returns. SP of any kind, even my I5 on sale on ebay, runs Logos 7.x well.
Lower your price, Josh. [;)]
Bill I lowered my price and relisted. I still owe on the used Surface Pro 3 may have to sell it if the original SP1 does not sell on ebay under joshinri.
Sigh.
Interesting reading the reviews of Dell machines on this thread.
FWIW, I'm using a ThinkPad 10 Gen 1 tablet with 2GB RAM, 64GB HDD and a 32GB microSD card. All the Logos resources are on the microSD card.
I only have about 12GB of resources. Logos is responsive, no lag or stuttering during scrolling. Everything synchronizes with another copy of Logos on my desktop including highlighting, personal books and Notes.
Still plenty of room for Office 365 too.
I have the custom keyboard but find I haven't used it much.
Logos on a Windows 10 tablet is highly recommended. No need to be restrained by a limited feature set, still possible to navigate with a finger, and using a stylus is available for handwriting input and navigation if required.
Windows tablets are pretty light and the price performance curve is pretty good. There are lots of manufacturers out there so there's plenty of choice. OTOH this also means that there is a bell curve for build quality. Be sure to read lots of reviews before pulling the trigger.
I have created an image of my Dell Venue 8 Pro's eMMC and tucked that away safely. I have a USB flash drive with Windows on it that the DV8P sees when accessing the boot menu on startup. When I select it, the tablet just boots to my desktop.[:(] I had another USB drive that it wouldn't recognize at all from the boot menu. All settings in BIOS appear to allow booting from USB. Unfortunately, Augustine's idea to use the media creation tool to create the image on microSD didn't work. The media creation tool didn't see it.
Does the DV8P need to use a powered hub for this or a USB-C dock with power pass-through in order to initiate recovery?
Are you attepting this from the "reset this PC" option?
I have created an image of my Dell Venue 8 Pro's eMMC and tucked that away safely. I have a USB flash drive with Windows on it that the DV8P sees when accessing the boot menu on startup. When I select it, the tablet just boots to my desktop. I had another USB drive that it wouldn't recognize at all from the boot menu. All settings in BIOS appear to allow booting from USB. Unfortunately, Augustine's idea to use the media creation tool to create the image on microSD didn't work. The media creation tool didn't see it. Does the DV8P need to use a powered hub for this or a USB-C dock with power pass-through in order to initiate recovery?
I have created an image of my Dell Venue 8 Pro's eMMC and tucked that away safely. I have a USB flash drive with Windows on it that the DV8P sees when accessing the boot menu on startup. When I select it, the tablet just boots to my desktop. I had another USB drive that it wouldn't recognize at all from the boot menu. All settings in BIOS appear to allow booting from USB. Unfortunately, Augustine's idea to use the media creation tool to create the image on microSD didn't work. The media creation tool didn't see it.
Hi, Bill,
I found that I needed to reboot my 5855 a couple of times before it could "see" the USB flash drive and boot from it.
Secondly, Macrium Reflect will allow you to create an image of your eMMC on microSD, with each partition available to be restored as needed. Macrium is free to try for 30 days. Then, you'll need to buy it if you like it and it works for you. It's a powerful piece of software.
Thirdly, don't forget that the 5855 is not the same as Augustine's older DV8. What worked for him may or may not work for you.
Paul, I am trying to boot to USB cold, by turning on the tablet, hitting Volume + when the Dell logo appears and selecting my drive from the one-time boot menu.
Mark, I'll keep trying, but that isn't reassuring. I don't want to wipe out partitions and such until I know I have a bootable medium.
Colin, I also have back problems. In my case, I'm best sitting in my Ekornes recliner and I've essentially made the chair my office by setting small tables on either side and adding a wooden lapdesk on which to rest my laptop. When not in use, I set the laptop/lapdesk on the table to my left. My wireless mouse rests on the table to my right. I love this arrangement, especially with the larger screen my laptop offers. I do have an android tablet, but only use it for reading -- not study.
If you do use or buy a laptop, I highly recommend a solid state drive. Logos runs immensely better on an SSD. SSDs like to have substantial unused capacity and will slow considerably without it. I therefore suggest acquiring a drive with approximately twice the storage capacity you are currently using. If you're modifying an existing laptop, the free Macrium Reflect software makes it easy to clone your old HDD to an SSD. And if that's what you're doing, you can easily determine which Crucial SSDs are compatible with your machine at http://www.crucial.com/. Crucial is the brand name Micron uses for its after-market sales (a Crucial SSD is a Micron SSD). And you may very well find a Crucial drive you like at a better price from Amazon. I did.
Another opportunity to have our voices heard by Logos leaders - http://community.logos.com/forums/t/148421.aspx
