DAL: mab: DAL:Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us. Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag. I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit. What part of that don't you understand? The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, ๐ ๐๐ I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job ๐ So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us. Ok, bye now ๐ Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? ๐๐๐
mab: DAL:Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us. Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag. I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit. What part of that don't you understand?
DAL:Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.
Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.
I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.
What part of that don't you understand?
The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, ๐ ๐๐ I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job ๐
So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.
Ok, bye now ๐
Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? ๐๐๐
Could you guys just agree to disagree and not clutter up this thread with this kind of arguing?
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The ability to create Reading Plans based on divisions in the table of contents of resources.
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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting
That would be very interesting. I know very little about cantillation, but heard an example last night in Hebrew class of how an accented syllable affects chanting.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
Don’t worry, Joseph! I won’t bother with the guy anymore. His temporary solutions are of no help anyway; so myself and others, will just keep our fingers crossed hoping we get some real speed in the next upgrade.
DAL
1. Speed
2. No more features until all existing ones are finished and polished. For example, what is use for corresponding highlights, when it is not available to mobile devices?
3. Touch screen friendly.
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DAL: The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, ๐ ๐๐ I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job ๐ So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us. Ok, bye now ๐ Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? ๐๐๐
You proved my point that you still can't read what I wrote. So here : I spent exactly $2419.99 at Best Buy for an XPS 15. Compared to the exact$41,200.38 in my Logos order history that is spit. Do you need a serial number? Blood type?
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And Logos is fast!!!!!!
mab:And Logos is fast!!!!!!
Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance? I know speed can be relative if you've never used something faster than Logos. I might think Logos 8 was fast on my machine if I had never used anything else. I've used Accordance Lite (trying before buying) on the same machine as Logos 8 and it's much more snappy and quick. It's more responsive and fast. That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.
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John Kight:Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance?
Let's not forget the speed demon, Libby. With mab's pc, she'd burn the data up. Then there's Bibleworks that updates the side panels so fast, you have to really use both hands on the mouse. Watch out for those whiskers! I haven't tried WordSearch. But I think Phil wanted do-able ideas.
"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."
Anyway...how about bringing back the “choose your preferred Bible” option that we had in the home screen in Logos 7? I thought I read somewhere it was going to be brought back.
Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources. Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.
DAL:Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources. Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.
Oh yes, an updated and more user friendly GUI for prioritization would be nice. It's already a very, very powerful feature, but I don't know how many generations of the software it's been since it got a visual makeover, and I think it needs one.
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SineNomine: DAL:I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before. I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.
DAL:I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.
I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.
Maybe, but it’d be nice for FL to clarify so they avoid creating false expectations/hopes for a lot of users ๐๐๐
Yes. I was using it before Logos 4 came out.
John Kight:That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.
Sorry if my contentment with the product's current ability should be seen as adversarial when it's not. I waited through four generations of Logos for it just like everyone else and I am sure it will improve.
I'd be happier if I was as snappy and quick as my computer can be.
Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :): Phil Gons (Faithlife):what should we do to win the next generation of new users? Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)
Phil Gons (Faithlife):what should we do to win the next generation of new users?
Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)
And here I'd be satisfied with a a new guide section that selected hymn texts already in Logos by passage and/or topic ... and classified them by meter, tone, or chant as appropriate. Examples from my library:
And yes, Hillsong Worship deserves equal treatment but it's the old stuff I've used for Bible Study with Art over the years. And I love the idea of the Hebrew cantillation to which I'd want to add the Byzantine chants
Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."
Wild Eagle: 1. Speed 2. No more features until all existing ones are finished and polished. For example, what is use for corresponding highlights, when it is not available to mobile devices? 3. Touch screen friendly.
to all of the above!
Phil Gons (Faithlife): What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9? What general themes or areas should we focus on? What bugs should we fix? What improvements should we make to existing features? What new features should we add? What new data sets should we build? What new books should we include? Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate. What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you? If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users? Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable. We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community. Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!
What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?
Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate.
What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?
If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?
Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable.
We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community.
Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!
Honestly, i think that a robust focus on mobile, markup, and notes would be key. This would involve integration with Apple Pencil (iPad OS and Sidecar) and styylus on other devices. Notes that would allow freehand notetaking, image importing, etc would be wonderful and should be integrated across all platforms. It would be optimal to have markup respond more seamlessly with pencil in a reading mode.
Also, try to get better feature parity and polish in the mobile/web platform.
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I second speed, particularly for startup and light use (viewing resources) on desktop. Often, I just want to refer to a resource, not conduct a complex query. Indexing, updates, building up to max horsepower... all these should not take precedence over what I need to do. Maybe, along the lines of what John Duffy suggested, allow users to have a 'lite' or fast startup configuration when they don't need the full firepower.
There are some practical pointers, which I've done a couple of: e.g. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/187051.aspx
I still think, though, that this is a problem for Logos and not primarily the user. With a system that meets and exceeds the published system requirements (and is able to run photo and video editing software), it is not reasonable to me to require all these tweaks to hardware and software just to have Logos desktop be functional.
Due to the speed issue, I mostly use Logos on mobile now. I only went to desktop recently to create a custom Bible reading plan.
If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app. Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers. In fact phones and mobile devices have outsold computers every year since 2010....it’s been an entire decade now. At a bare minimum, all of the tools in the guides menu should be available in the app, workflows, etc. Tablets and phones so powerful nowadays they are easily able to handle that.
John:I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets,
I can vouch this applies to my daughter-in-law ELCA pastor and her seminary cohorts.