Logos 9 Wishlist

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

What general themes or areas should we focus on?
What bugs should we fix?
What improvements should we make to existing features?
What new features should we add?
What new data sets should we build?
What new books should we include?

Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable.

We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community.

Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!

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DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079808#Comment_1079808

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

I was wondering about the possibility of making the interface variable in size. I love making the print size very readable, but the interface cannot be made larger that I know of and it's sometimes a challenge to read things that are bit smallish. This might be a bear to do, but some of us older folks would appreciate it.

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos. Accordance, heck, even WORDsearch, are faster programs. I mean lightning quick clicks. Logos hangs/stalls too much especially when indexing. It even affects other programs like Word, my pictures, etc. There’s definitely something wrong with the program when it interferes that much with other programs — Hence, the improvement on speed request.

DAL

John Kight

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079809#Comment_1079809

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos. Accordance, heck, even WORDsearch, are faster programs. I mean lightning quick clicks. Logos hangs/stalls too much especially when indexing. It even affects other programs like Word, my pictures, etc. There’s definitely something wrong with the program when it interferes that much with other programs — Hence, the improvement on speed request.

DAL

I agree with DAL. I would hope that Faithlife would rather we invest in their software offerings every two years, not a new machine. Obviously other Bible Software companies have this figured out. Logos needs to be as fast and snappy as Accordance or WORDsearch.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079808#Comment_1079808

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos.

Tell you what: you buy me a computer with specs like that and I'll stop prodding Faithlife about Logos being slow.

pk47

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for.

Thank you

pk47

In regards to books: please offer Baker Academic titles in the base packages.

Michael Birney

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079829#Comment_1079829

Desktop - I might not even upgrade to 9, I really love 8. I am sure that is not what Phil wanted to hear, FL needs to sell to exist.

I am sure it could be faster, although on my computers it's awesome.

I think notes could be better. Keep developing this.

But that is the extent of my wish list.

Those are my As someone who has to work with a lot of other software for work, I am really happy with Logos 8.

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079831#Comment_1079831

1. Folders on the shortcuts bar. Like Chrome.

2. Be able to open all contents of a folder in a new panel.

Kevin A

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079833#Comment_1079833

The ability to toggle individual visual filters from the go box/shortcut bar.

The ability to bind a shortcut key to anything on the shortcut bar.

danwdoo

Search Builder - I haven't been able to invest nearly as much time as I want in learning search and so often struggle with it. It would be great if a search builder not only helped me build complex searches, but also taught me advanced searching as I use it so eventually I need to use it less and less.Its goal should be to eventually put itself out of a job in my workflow.
Fit and Finish - An emphasis on fit and finish often makes the difference between a tool being a struggle or efficient and pleasant to use. I don't have a massive library, but the reports of slow performance with one make me a little fearful of building one too large. The new context menu is a great example of good and efficient design. It now has so many more of the things I want easily accessible and yet isn't as cluttered feeling to me. Rethink all the interface in this way such as...
Search jumping. When studying a passage I often follow some successive links and inline searches leading to this bizarre jumping back and forth from left pane to right pane to left pane while trying to remember which pane had my original text again so I can hit the back arrows the correct half dozen times to get back to it. Please rethink this process as you did the context menu to make it less convoluted. I would like to have an option for inline search results to open in a new pane so I don't lose my original place. Let me chase all the rabbit trails I want in new tabs on one side then just single click to close that pane of tabs and I'm instantly back to my original text. Now I suspect not everyone may want this, so make it a setting choice.
Easy bookmarks. Logos is all about reading, so make it easier to quickly get back to the book and place within it I was reading on all platforms with a simple bookmark setting in the upper right corner of a resource like most other reading programs have. Also add a 'currently reading' and 'to read' bookshelf feature so I can easily find the couple of books I am actively reading and the next ones on my to read list.
Implement collapsible panes. Navigation tasks can be handled with side panes that collapse out of the way when not needed and then a single mouse click brings them back. The sidebar is a good example of this. Bookmarks, highlights, and more could really benefit from this. How about a custom navigation pane that can be configured to be collapsed on the left side that works with everything and I can add and remove tools, bookmarks, search tools, or whatever that I like to have always on hand. It would also have my library, current and to read bookshelves built in making it always easy to find my current or next read. Clicking on the Logos icon in the upper left corner would be a great way to get this collapsible pane as it is always there and currently does nothing if you click on it - it's just full of potential waiting to be utilized!
Bringing information together. As I continue to add resources to my library, I'm always looking for tools that pulls information from them and presents it to me in an easy way to read. The ancient literature section in the passage guide is one of my favorites and I am much more apt to impulse buy a resource that is utilized by such a tool. The topic guide is another example. Think through other possibilities that bring out my existing data in useful ways.
Fill the screen! When I open a book or Bible it just opens in the right pane. It should open full screen and then if I open another panel or do a search, automatically switch to a side pane.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079835#Comment_1079835

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos.

I didn't. It costs less than a cup of McDonald's coffee each day over the computer's life expectancy. All of my problems (much like yours)disappeared with the upgrade.

You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079827#Comment_1079827

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for.

Ctrl-F does work in the PB Tool, so this may help you using it better than just scrolling. But you are right, this tool has been neglected and is not very usable.

Worthy for L9 would be an interface with filters and facets, like the ones already existing for e.g. for the library, for courses and for documents.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080835#Comment_1080835

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos.

I didn't. It costs less than a cup of McDonald's coffee each day over the computer's life expectancy. All of my problems (much like yours)disappeared with the upgrade.

You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

DAL

What new books should we include? <~~~ This question can be interpreted as misleading. To me it doesn’t need clarification, but to others hoping for CARTA resources to be included in Logos 9 it’s definitely a misleading question perhaps promising something that will not happen.

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before. The only thing close to that have been prepub titles that were snuck in a base package and downloaded later when they were completed. Carta, as of now, hasn’t even been negotiated.

I’m just saying. 👍😁👌

DAL

Gregory Lawhorn

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

1. Speed.

2. Speed.

3. Speed.

4. Performance.

5. Speed.

No getting around it, Logos FEELS heavy in operation. I just deleted and reinstalled (about 9,000 resources) and it helped significantly. But it still takes a momentary pause to bring up the right-click panel; scrolling is a tad jumpy even with only a Bible panel open, not linked to anything. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro running a 2.9 Ghz processor (with graphics switching turned off), and no other program feels as weighty as Logos, including Photoshop. I'm concerned that adding new features will slow Logos down even more, and that would make me sad.

Gregory Lawhorn

Checkboxes in the Library panel for selecting large numbers of items for downloading, deletion, tagging, etc.

Gregory Lawhorn

Making custom sermon templates in Logos available to Proclaim and vice versa.

Liam Maguire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080856#Comment_1080856

An option to hide ALL the tool bars (think Windows bar auto-hide)! So much line space is wasted by not being able to hide the top tool bar (library, search, etc.) or the tool bars in book panes. Please.

I'd also like to see a build your own base package offering. Even if that was a mix and match from whatever the existing base packages on offer, or a tiered system eg. Mix and match from all Gold level resources, etc.

Andrew Biddinger

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079835#Comment_1079835

Easy bookmarks. Logos is all about reading, so make it easier to quickly get back to the book and place within it I was reading on all platforms with a simple bookmark setting in the upper right corner of a resource like most other reading programs have. Also add a 'currently reading' and 'to read' bookshelf feature so I can easily find the couple of books I am actively reading and the next ones on my to read list.

Agree. Between this and redoing Reading Plans to be more user friendly.

Also, connect the mobile "Reference Scanner" to output reading plans.

Also, the ability to access/filter a book's highlights on mobile from the actual book (like on desktop).

These would make better reading experiences.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1079827#Comment_1079827

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for.

Thank you

You can use the find (in this panel) button under the 3 dots to the right of the PB panel. This acts as a search bar. What would be nice is to have a left hand column similar to a TOC or a favorites panel that can be created inside the PB panel so that we can organize our PB books more efficiently

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080848#Comment_1080848

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080879#Comment_1080879

1) Carta

2) Improved touch screen options

3) I'd like to see more tools verses datasets like interactives and such. Maybe an update of all the older ones like the Jewish calendar which needs to be updated each year. I'd love to see a new batch of Logos infographics as well.

4) Rose-Hendrickson Publishing materials. They make numerous infograph and chart books that would be amazingly helpful in Logos.

5) Expanded mobile experience (if possible) as not all desktop options are available on mobile. I know the hardware is the limiting factor but I'd like to see discourse analysis and the outline features on mobile someday. Interactives as well.

Bill

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Thank you for asking and for considering my thoughts

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

Ease of use, Speed and completing current tools and features and tagging

What bugs should we fix?

Continue fixing all known bugs in desktop and mobile quickly, I think a good job of this is being done now for the most part, I'm thankful for the forums pointing these out and your teams responses and follow up. it just seems I see that Logos' new roll outs seem plagued with incomplete features and bugs more than other software programs I use. I realize that is a complicated issue, but it is frustrating to the end user. Having the most features in an application is only as good as the quality and ease of use of those features

One perceived bug in the mobile app is the persistent lag or hang when loading and swiping between multiple tabs containing resources with notes, highlights or visual filters turned on. This happens on line, but is worse offline on iPad 2 Logos version 8 stable and 8.10Beta

What improvements should we make to existing features?

Logos 8 is already loaded with features and tools, The forums are full of suggestions, if only one could easily search the forums. MJ, Rosie, Dave Hooton, Graham Criddle, Keep Smiling, Mark Barnes and many others are the voices to seek

Before adding more features and tools, Please make current features complete and user friendly. That includes complete tagging, data types and sets. Examples tools- Notes, Canvas, Workflows, Search, Guides, Visual Filters, Bible Browser, etc.

What new features should we add?

Implement theological and denominational tagging previously requested in previously requested in these forums. I understand that some form of this is being worked on. would like to see it in 9 (desktop)

Ability to select multiple resources in the collection tool and drag and drop them into the "add these resources " or "minus these resources" pane (desktop)

More formatting options in Notes (desktop and mobile) and better continuity in applying them between desktop and mobile

Search builder or more user friendly search capability (desktop)

Ability to scroll within a popup in order to read the text before and after the reference for context purposes(see the Olive Tree bible app for examples) Currently the popup is suppose to include the entire reference range but even this is not consistent (desktop & mobile)

Ability to see a popup of a reference linked in a note (mobile)

Currently there doesn't seem to be a way to choose or prioritise a lexicon or dictionary for "Lookup" when a word is selected in the mobile app for definitions, occasionally the app chooses a concordance instead of a lexicon or dictionary, not helpful at all

What new data sets should we build?

Complete what we have, including documentation first please

What new books should we include?

Not much faith in"wiki" or "suggest a book" for this or suggesting new features the voting process doesn't get much response by users or Faithlife. and they languish there for eternity it seems like community bids

I may be wrong, but It seems to me that more users use the forums than any other tool you have for answering our concerns, questions and suggestions regarding new books, features, typos, bugs, etc. It would seem good and more efficient if separate topic headings were set up and constantly monitored by the various departments at Faithlife in these forums for these and other suggestions and topics, just as there are for Logos 8, Logos Mobile and the like.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

Possibly the ability to mix and match or remove categories of resources from different traditions or from within a base package

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

It seems a much more powerful mobile app and touch and pen support are the way to go

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080845#Comment_1080845

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand?

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080923#Comment_1080923

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand?

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

Ted Weis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080923#Comment_1080923

1. Speed. The constant message (Not Responding) is frustrating.

2. Make graphics editable to suit specific teaching purpose.

Overall, I like Logos, use it daily, and very grateful for it!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080935#Comment_1080935

1. Speed. The constant message (Not Responding) is frustrating.

2. Make graphics editable to suit specific teaching purpose.

Overall, I like Logos, use it daily, and very grateful for it!

Hey Mabby (mab)! “Remedial read” this post too! 😂😂😂

Diego Lara

I like Logos 8 as it is. But it you could add Dark Mode that would be awesome. Accordance has added that to their latest release.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080936#Comment_1080936

Anyway, I love Logos! I’ve even contributed translating for their Spanish department and earned awesome resources with them in the past. I’ve invested a lot in upgrades and resources since 2004 and for a decade made a living using Logos. Very helpful program, but it’s not perfect! The point of the Logos 9wishlist is to suggest what improvements Logos could make, not about what some have done to ease the lack of speed issue. That right there doesn’t solve the problem, it only “patches” the problem and patches don’t last forever (so much for the counting the cost metaphor). I have spoken! 👍😁👌

DAL

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)

Lyrics in a Hillsong Worship song include: "One Name holds weight above them all" that could be integrated with Names of God (listen to Hillsong Worship while learning about Names of God). Album "No Other Name" includes a few Names of God so a Song Guide (or Workflow) includes scripture basis for lyrics.

Wonder about worship music expression of Bible passages ? (possibly with video like "Watch the Word" Bible) Still remember John 14:1-7 words from an Easter cantata a number of decades ago.

What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting (desire to learn/memorize/meditate on many passages). Thread => Hebrew Audio Bible - Another Appeal began on 13 Nov 2015. UserVoice => Audio Hebrew

Keep Smiling [:)]

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080934#Comment_1080934

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included. Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand?

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

Could you guys just agree to disagree and not clutter up this thread with this kind of arguing?

Kevin A

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080943#Comment_1080943

The ability to create Reading Plans based on divisions in the table of contents of resources.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080942#Comment_1080942

Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting

That would be very interesting. I know very little about cantillation, but heard an example last night in Hebrew class of how an accented syllable affects chanting.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080948#Comment_1080948

Don’t worry, Joseph! I won’t bother with the guy anymore. His temporary solutions are of no help anyway; so myself and others, will just keep our fingers crossed hoping we get some real speed in the next upgrade.

DAL

Roger G Black

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080951#Comment_1080951

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Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080951#Comment_1080951

1. Speed

2. No more features until all existing ones are finished and polished. For example, what is use for corresponding highlights, when it is not available to mobile devices?

3. Touch screen friendly.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080934#Comment_1080934

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

You proved my point that you still can't read what I wrote. So here : I spent exactly $2419.99 at Best Buy for an XPS 15. Compared to the exact
$41,200.38 in my Logos order history that is spit. Do you need a serial number? Blood type?

No wonder Jesus didn't answer the Pharisees. Still blind.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080934#Comment_1080934

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too. Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have. I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point. It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it. It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop. That’s a great way to support your point! Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor. It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

No wonder Jesus didn't answer the Pharisees. Still blind.

And Logos is fast!!!!!!

John Kight

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080958#Comment_1080958

And Logos is fast!!!!!!

Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance? I know speed can be relative if you've never used something faster than Logos. I might think Logos 8 was fast on my machine if I had never used anything else. I've used Accordance Lite (trying before buying) on the same machine as Logos 8 and it's much more snappy and quick. It's more responsive and fast. That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080973#Comment_1080973

Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance?

Let's not forget the speed demon, Libby. With mab's pc, she'd burn the data up. Then there's Bibleworks that updates the side panels so fast, you have to really use both hands on the mouse. Watch out for those whiskers! I haven't tried WordSearch. But I think Phil wanted do-able ideas.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080958#Comment_1080958

Anyway...how about bringing back the “choose your preferred Bible” option that we had in the home screen in Logos 7? I thought I read somewhere it was going to be brought back.

Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources. Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.

DAL

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080977#Comment_1080977

Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources. Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.

Oh yes, an updated and more user friendly GUI for prioritization would be nice. It's already a very, very powerful feature, but I don't know how many generations of the software it's been since it got a visual makeover, and I think it needs one.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080897#Comment_1080897

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages. If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Maybe, but it’d be nice for FL to clarify so they avoid creating false expectations/hopes for a lot of users 👍😁👌

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080973#Comment_1080973

Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance?

Yes. I was using it before Logos 4 came out.

That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.

Sorry if my contentment with the product's current ability should be seen as adversarial when it's not. I waited through four generations of Logos for it just like everyone else and I am sure it will improve.

I'd be happier if I was as snappy and quick as my computer can be.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080942#Comment_1080942

what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)

And here I'd be satisfied with a a new guide section that selected hymn texts already in Logos by passage and/or topic ... and classified them by meter, tone, or chant as appropriate. Examples from my library:

Bevan, Frances. Hymns of Ter Steegen, Suso, and Others. London: James Nisbet & Co., 1894.
The Roman Psalter. Electronic edition. Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 1999.
Birkbeck, W. J., and G. R. Woodward, eds. The Acáthist Hymn of the Holy Orthodox Eastern Church. London; New York; Bombay; Calcutta; Madras: Longmans, Green and Co., 1917.
Bonar, Horatius. Communion Hymns. London: J. Nisbet & Co., 1881.
Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: First Series. New York: Robert Carter & Brothers, 1866.
Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: Second Series. London: J. Nisbet & Co., 1886.
Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: Third Series. London: James Nisbet & Co., 1866.
Bonar, Horatius, and Charlotte Murray. Songs of the Dawn. London; New York: James E. Hawkins; E. P. Dutton & Co., 1887.
Brownlie, John, trans. Hymns of the Holy Eastern Church: Translated from the Service Books with Introductory Chapters on the History, Doctrine, and Worship of the Church. Paisley: Alexander Gardner, 1902.
Charlesworth, James H., trans. The Earliest Christian Hymnbook: The Odes of Solomon. Eugene, OR: Cascade Books, 2009.
Chilcote, Paul Wesley. The Song Forever New: Lent and Easter with Charles Wesley. New York; Harrisburg, PA; Denver: Morehouse Publishing, 2009.
Ephrem the Syrian. Ephrem the Syrian: Hymns. Edited by Bernard McGinn. Translated by Kathleen E. McVey. The Classics of Western Spirituality. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1989.
Ephrem the Syrian. Select Metrical Hymns and Homilies of Ephraem Syrus. Translated by Henry Burgess. London; Berlin: Robert B. Blackader; Sampson Low, Son and Co.; Asher and Co., 1853.
General Synod of the Lutheran Church in the United States. Book of Worship. Philadelphia: Lutheran Publication Society, 1884.
Hymnal and Liturgies of the Moravian Church (Unitas Fratrum). Bethlehem, PA: Provincial Synod, 1920.
Ironside, H. A. The Poems and Hymns of H. A. Ironside. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009.
Keach, Benjamin. Spiritual Songs: Being the Marrow of the Scripture, in Songs of Praise to Almighty God; From the Old and New Testament. Second Edition. London: John Marshal, 1700.
Keble, J. The Psalter, or Psalms of David: In English Verse. Fourth Edition. Oxford; London: James Parker and Co., 1869.
Ken, Thomas. Bishop Ken’s Christian Year or Hymns and Poems for the Holy Days and Festivals of the Church. London: Basil Montagu Pickering, 1868.
Kurtz, Benjamin. Lutheran Prayer Book: For the Use of Families and Individuals. Revised and Enlarged Edition. Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1860.
Lawson, John. A Thousand Tongues: The Wesley Hymns as a Guide to Scriptural Teaching. Exeter: The Paternoster Press, 1987.
Logos Hymnal. 1st edition. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995.
Lund, Eric, and Bernard McGinn, eds. Seventeenth-Century Lutheran Meditations and Hymns. The Classics of Western Spirituality. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 2011.
Luther, Martin. Hymns of the Reformation. Translated by Philip Melancthon. London: Charles Gilpin, 1845.
Luther, Martin. The Hymns of Martin Luther: Set to Their Original Melodies with an English Version. Edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1883.
Luther, Martin, and John Hunt. The Spiritual Songs of Martin Luther: From the German. Translated by Thomas Clark. London: Hamilton, Adams, and Co., 1853.
Neale, J. M., trans. Hymns of the Eastern Church. London; New York: J. T. Hayes; Pott & Amery, 1870.
Page, T. E., E. Capps, W. H. D. Rouse, L. A. Post, and E. H. Warmington, eds. Prudentius. Translated by H. J. Thomson. Vol. I & II. The Loeb Classical Library. London; Cambridge, MA: William Heinemann Ltd; Harvard University Press, 1949–1953.
Pick, Bernhard. Hymns and Poetry of the Eastern Church. New York; Cincinnati: Eaton & Mains; Jennings & Graham, 1908.
Pierson, Arthur T., and A. J. Gordon. The Coronation Hymnal: A Selection of Hymns and Songs. Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1894.
Prudentius. Prudentius: Latin Text. Edited by T. E. Page, E. Capps, W. H. D. Rouse, L. A. Post, and E. H. Warmington. Vol. I & II. The Loeb Classical Library. London; Cambridge, MA: William Heinemann Ltd; Harvard University Press, 1949–1953.
Ryle, J. C. Hymns for the Church on Earth. London: William Hunt and Company, 1876.
Simpson, A. B. Hymns and Songs of the Four-Fold Gospel, and the Fullness of Jesus. New York: The Christian Alliance Publishing Company, 1890.
Simpson, A. B., ed. Hymns of the Christian Life. Vol. 2. South Nyack, NY: Christian Alliance Publishing Co., 1897.
Simpson, A. B., and R. Kelso Carter, eds. Hymns of the Christian Life. Vol. 1. New York: Christian Alliance Publishing Co., 1891.
Spurgeon, C. H. Our Own Hymn Book: A Collection of Psalms and Hymns for Public, Social and Private Worship. London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1883.
St Ephrem. Hymns on Paradise. Translated by Sebastian Brock. Popular Patristics Series. Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 1990.
St Symeon the New Theologian. Divine Eros: Hymns of St Symeon the New Theologian. Edited by John Behr. Translated by Daniel K. Griggs. Vol. 40. Popular Patristics Series. Crestwood, NY: St
St. Ephrem the Syrian. The Hymns on Faith. Translated by Jeffrey T. Wickes. Vol. 130. The Fathers of the Church. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 2015.
The Benedictine Monks of Conception Abbey. The Revised Grail Psalms: A Liturgical Psalter. Chicago, IL: GIA Publications, Inc., 2010.
The Book of Common Prayer from the Original Manuscript: Attached to the Act of Uniformity of 1662. London; Edinburgh; Glasgow; Melbourne; Sydney; New York: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1892.
The Book of Common Prayer: And Administration of the Sacraments and Other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church. New York: The Protestant Episcopal Church, 1892.
The Episcopal Church. The Book of Common Prayer, 1979. New York: Church Publishing Incorporated, 2007.
The General Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Hymns, Selected and Original, for Public and Private Worship. Second Edition; First Revised Edition. Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1852.
The Norwegian Evangelical Lutheran Synod, The Hauge’s Evangelical Lutheran Synod, and The United Norwegian Lutheran Church of America. The Lutheran Hymnary. Minneapolis, MN: Augsburg Publishing House, 1921.
The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America. The Book of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments and Other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church. New York: The Seabury Press, 1976.
United Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in the South. The Book of Worship. Charleston, SC: Committee of United Synod on Common Book of Worship, 1907.
Van Oudenrijn, M. The Harp of Glory: Enzira Sebhat: An Alphabetical Hymn of Praise for the Ever-Blessed Virgin Mary from the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Edited by John Behr. Translated by John Anthony McGuckin. Vol. 39. Popular Patristics Series. Yonkers, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2010.
Vincent, Charles, D. J. Wood, and John Stainer, eds. The Hymnal Companion to the Book of Common Prayer with Accompanying Tunes. Third Edition, Revised and Enlarged. London; New York; Bombay; Calcutta: Longmans Green, and Co., 1914.
Watts, Isaac. The Psalms and Hymns of Isaac Watts. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1998.
Whitefield, George. A Collection of Hymns for Social Worship. Seventh Edition. London: William Strahan, 1758.
Whitley, Katerina Katsarka. Light to the Darkness: Lessons and Carols: Public and Private. New York; Harrisburg, PA: Morehouse Publishing, 2008.
Woodward, G. R., trans. The Most Holy Mother of God: In the Songs of the Eastern Church. London: The Faith Press, 1919.

And yes, Hillsong Worship deserves equal treatment but it's the old stuff I've used for Bible Study with Art over the years. And I love the idea of the Hebrew cantillation to which I'd want to add the Byzantine chants [;)]

Charlene

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080954#Comment_1080954

1. Speed

2. No more features until all existing ones are finished and polished. For example, what is use for corresponding highlights, when it is not available to mobile devices?

3. Touch screen friendly.

[Y] to all of the above!

Jacob Hantla

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

What bugs should we fix?

What improvements should we make to existing features?

What new features should we add?

What new data sets should we build?

What new books should we include?

Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable.

We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community.

Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!

Honestly, i think that a robust focus on mobile, markup, and notes would be key. This would involve integration with Apple Pencil (iPad OS and Sidecar) and styylus on other devices. Notes that would allow freehand notetaking, image importing, etc would be wonderful and should be integrated across all platforms. It would be optimal to have markup respond more seamlessly with pencil in a reading mode.

Also, try to get better feature parity and polish in the mobile/web platform.

Darrell Tan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1080954#Comment_1080954

I second speed, particularly for startup and light use (viewing resources) on desktop. Often, I just want to refer to a resource, not conduct a complex query. Indexing, updates, building up to max horsepower... all these should not take precedence over what I need to do. Maybe, along the lines of what John Duffy suggested, allow users to have a 'lite' or fast startup configuration when they don't need the full firepower.

There are some practical pointers, which I've done a couple of: e.g. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/187051.aspx

I still think, though, that this is a problem for Logos and not primarily the user. With a system that meets and exceeds the published system requirements (and is able to run photo and video editing software), it is not reasonable to me to require all these tweaks to hardware and software just to have Logos desktop be functional.

Due to the speed issue, I mostly use Logos on mobile now. I only went to desktop recently to create a custom Bible reading plan.

Jon

If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app. Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers. In fact phones and mobile devices have outsold computers every year since 2010....it’s been an entire decade now. At a bare minimum, all of the tools in the guides menu should be available in the app, workflows, etc. Tablets and phones so powerful nowadays they are easily able to handle that.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1081044#Comment_1081044

I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets,

I can vouch this applies to my daughter-in-law ELCA pastor and her seminary cohorts.

Dave Hooton

Fix the GUI for tabs that L8 introduced:

Control the tab width for long names e.g. from merged Passage Lists

remove space reserved for the X

Show all link set and target icons by dropping resource images if necessary

remove the name from Collections, Library, etc. tabs (with distinctive icons) to facilitate link set/target icons for other tabs

remove the artifact vertical/horizontal lines from tab menus when Program Scaling < 100

remove tabbing arrows that overlap the first tab when it is not fully revealed

Remove the large decorative Logos icon from the main toolbar
Allow users to vote for bugs to be fixed