Logos 9 Wishlist

DAL said:

mab said:

I'm not sure why people are still complaining about speed. I invested in an i9, 32GB RAM, fast video card and a PCI-e drive with lots of room and it rocks Logos. 

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos.  Accordance, heck, even WORDsearch, are faster programs.  I mean lightning quick clicks.  Logos hangs/stalls too much especially when indexing. It even affects other programs like Word, my pictures, etc. There’s definitely something wrong with the program when it interferes that much with other programs  — Hence, the improvement on speed request.

DAL

I agree with DAL. I would hope that Faithlife would rather we invest in their software offerings every two years, not a new machine. Obviously other Bible Software companies have this figured out. Logos needs to be as fast and snappy as Accordance or WORDsearch.

A search bar within the Personal Book tab would be greatly appreciated. I hate scrolling down to find the book I'm looking for. 

Thank you

Desktop - I might not even upgrade to 9, I really love 8.  I am sure that is not what Phil wanted to hear, FL needs to sell to exist.

I am sure it could be faster, although on my computers it's awesome.

I think notes could be better.  Keep developing this.

But that is the extent of my wish list.

Those are my As someone who has to work with a lot of other software for work, I am really happy with Logos 8.  

The ability to toggle individual visual filters from the go box/shortcut bar.

The ability to bind a shortcut key to anything on the shortcut bar.

DAL said:

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos. 

I didn't. It costs less than a cup of McDonald's coffee each day over the computer's life expectancy. All of my problems (much like yours)disappeared with the upgrade.

You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

mab said:

DAL said:

One shouldn’t have to invest on an expensive computer to run Logos. 

I didn't. It costs less than a cup of McDonald's coffee each day over the computer's life expectancy. All of my problems (much like yours)disappeared with the upgrade.

You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included.  Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

DAL

Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

1. Speed.

2. Speed.

3. Speed.

4. Performance.

5. Speed.

No getting around it, Logos FEELS heavy in operation. I just deleted and reinstalled (about 9,000 resources) and it helped significantly. But it still takes a momentary pause to bring up the right-click panel; scrolling is a tad jumpy even with only a Bible panel open, not linked to anything. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro running a 2.9 Ghz processor (with graphics switching turned off), and no other program feels as weighty as Logos, including Photoshop. I'm concerned that adding new features will slow Logos down even more, and that would make me sad. 

Making custom sermon templates in Logos available to Proclaim and vice versa.

danwdoo said:

• Easy bookmarks. Logos is all about reading, so make it easier to quickly get back to the book and place within it I was reading on all platforms with a simple bookmark setting in the upper right corner of a resource like most other reading programs have. Also add a 'currently reading' and 'to read' bookshelf feature so I can easily find the couple of books I am actively reading and the next ones on my to read list.

Agree. Between this and redoing Reading Plans to be more user friendly. 

Also, connect the mobile "Reference Scanner" to output reading plans.

Also, the ability to access/filter a book's highlights on mobile from the actual book (like on desktop).

These would make better reading experiences.

DAL said:

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages.  If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Thank you for asking and for considering my thoughts

 

• What general themes or areas should we focus on?

Ease of use, Speed and completing current tools and features and tagging

• What bugs should we fix?

Continue fixing all known bugs in desktop and mobile quickly, I think a good job of this is being done now for the most part, I'm thankful for the forums pointing these out and your teams responses and follow up. it just seems I see that Logos' new roll outs seem plagued with incomplete features and bugs more than other software programs I use. I realize that is a complicated issue, but it is frustrating to the end user. Having the most features in an application is only as good as the quality and ease of use of those features

One perceived bug in the mobile app is the persistent lag or hang when loading and swiping between multiple tabs containing resources with notes, highlights or visual filters turned on. This happens on line, but is worse offline on iPad 2 Logos version 8 stable and 8.10Beta

• What improvements should we make to existing features?

Logos 8 is already loaded with features and tools, The forums are full of suggestions, if only one could easily search the forums. MJ, Rosie, Dave Hooton, Graham Criddle, Keep Smiling, Mark Barnes and many others are the voices to seek

Before adding more features and tools, Please make current features complete and user friendly. That includes complete tagging, data types and sets. Examples tools- Notes, Canvas, Workflows, Search, Guides, Visual Filters, Bible Browser, etc.

• What new features should we add?

Implement theological and denominational tagging previously requested in previously requested in these forums. I understand that some form of this is being worked on. would like to see it in 9 (desktop)

Ability to select multiple resources in the collection tool and drag and drop them into the "add these resources " or "minus these resources" pane (desktop)

More formatting options in Notes (desktop and mobile) and better continuity in applying them between desktop and mobile

Search builder or more user friendly search capability (desktop)

Ability to scroll within a popup in order to read the text before and after the reference for context purposes(see  the Olive Tree bible app for examples) Currently the popup is suppose to include the entire reference range but even this is not consistent (desktop & mobile)

Ability to see a popup of a reference linked in a note (mobile)

Currently there doesn't seem to be a way to choose or prioritise a lexicon or dictionary for "Lookup" when a word is selected in the mobile app for definitions, occasionally the app chooses a concordance instead of a lexicon or dictionary, not helpful at all

• What new data sets should we build?

Complete what we have, including documentation first please

• What new books should we include?

Not much faith in"wiki" or "suggest a book" for this or suggesting new features the voting process doesn't get much response by users or Faithlife. and they languish there for eternity it seems like community bids

I may be wrong, but It seems to me that more users use the forums than any other tool you have for answering our concerns, questions and suggestions regarding new books, features, typos, bugs, etc. It would seem good and more efficient if separate topic headings were set up and constantly monitored by the various departments at Faithlife in these forums for these and other suggestions and topics, just as there are for Logos 8, Logos Mobile and the like.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

Possibly the ability to mix and match or remove categories of resources from different traditions or from within a base package

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

It seems a much more powerful mobile app and touch and pen support are the way to go

 

mab said:

DAL said:

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included.  Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand? 

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too.  Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have.  I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point.  It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it.  It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop.  That’s a great way to support your point!  Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor.  It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋 

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

Ted Weis said:

1. Speed. The constant message (Not Responding) is frustrating.

2. Make graphics editable to suit specific teaching purpose.

Overall, I like Logos, use it daily, and very grateful for it!

Hey Mabby (mab)! “Remedial read” this post too! 😂😂😂

Anyway, I love Logos! I’ve even contributed translating for their Spanish department and earned awesome resources with them in the past.  I’ve invested a lot in upgrades and resources since 2004 and for a decade made a living using Logos.  Very helpful program, but it’s not perfect! The point of the Logos 9wishlist is to suggest what improvements Logos could make, not about what some have done to ease the lack of speed issue.  That right there doesn’t solve the problem, it only “patches” the problem and patches don’t last forever (so much for the counting the cost metaphor).  I have spoken! 👍😁👌

DAL

DAL said:

mab said:

DAL said:

Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included.  Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand? 

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too.  Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have.  I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point.  It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it.  It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop.  That’s a great way to support your point!  Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor.  It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋 

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

Could you guys just agree to disagree and not clutter up this thread with this kind of arguing?

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Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting

That would be very interesting. I know very little about cantillation, but heard an example last night in Hebrew class of how an accented syllable affects chanting.

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DAL said:

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too.  Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have.  I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point.  It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, 😂 😂😂 I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it.  It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop.  That’s a great way to support your point!  Great job 😂

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor.  It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now 👋 

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? 😂😂😂

You proved my point that you still can't read what I wrote. So here : I spent exactly $2419.99 at Best Buy for an XPS 15. Compared to the exact
$41,200.38 in my Logos order history that is spit. Do you need a serial number? Blood type? 

No wonder Jesus didn't answer the Pharisees. Still blind.

 

 

mab said:

And Logos is fast!!!!!!

Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance? I know speed can be relative if you've never used something faster than Logos. I might think Logos 8 was fast on my machine if I had never used anything else. I've used Accordance Lite (trying before buying) on the same machine as Logos 8 and it's much more snappy and quick. It's more responsive and fast. That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.

Anyway...how about bringing back the “choose your preferred Bible” option that we had in the home screen in Logos 7? I thought I read somewhere it was going to be brought back.

Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources.  Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.

DAL

SineNomine said:

DAL said:

I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages.  If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Maybe, but it’d be nice for FL to clarify so they avoid creating false expectations/hopes for a lot of users 👍😁👌

If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app.  Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it.  The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers.  In fact phones and mobile devices have outsold computers every year since 2010....it’s been an entire decade now.  At a bare minimum, all of the tools in the guides menu should be available in the app, workflows, etc.  Tablets and phones so powerful nowadays they are easily able to handle that.