Kicking the tires on Logos 9

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 26 2020 5:18 AM

As a Logos Connect subscriber, my desktop has updated to Logos 9. I certainly understand how difficult it can be to really categorize commentaries by denominational perspective. I also appreciate that you have started to do this task, and include this as a way of organizing commentaries in the Passage Guide.

In doing a few sample passage guides, it did pick out Luther's exegetical writings and the Augsburg Commentaries - a good start. But it did not pick up Lenski and The Lutheran Commentary on the New Testament passage I tried, and did not pick up K&D and Leupold for the Old Testament passage I tried.

Even worse, it listed Richard D. Nelson's volume on Kings as being a Methodist commentary. He may work at a Methodist school, but is on the ELCA clergy roster.

I understand that this is a new feature, and I expect more tagging will come. But the mistaken tagging is especially concerning.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 5:43 AM

Ken McGuire:

As a Logos Connect subscriber, my desktop has updated to Logos 9. I certainly understand how difficult it can be to really categorize commentaries by denominational perspective. I also appreciate that you have started to do this task, and include this as a way of organizing commentaries in the Passage Guide.

In doing a few sample passage guides, it did pick out Luther's exegetical writings and the Augsburg Commentaries - a good start. But it did not pick up Lenski and The Lutheran Commentary on the New Testament passage I tried, and did not pick up K&D and Leupold for the Old Testament passage I tried.

Even worse, it listed Richard D. Nelson's volume on Kings as being a Methodist commentary. He may work at a Methodist school, but is on the ELCA clergy roster.

I understand that this is a new feature, and I expect more tagging will come. But the mistaken tagging is especially concerning.

I understand your concern in this situation. 

With Logos 8 we got a theology guide that had only a handful of protestant commentaries tagged. Catholic and Orthodox theologies were completely ignored. FL seems to never having the tagging up to scratch when they release these new features. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 6:48 AM

Ken McGuire:
But the mistaken tagging is especially concerning.

I am confident that it will be fixed/completed. Check out the other new PG facets and see how much more accurate (e.g.) the Era tagging is.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 7:03 AM

SineNomine:
I am confident that it will be fixed/completed.

With Lenski in Logos 9 Starter, and Leupold and Lutheran Commentary in Logos 9 Bronze, not tagging these would be nuts, and from my experience of being a Logos customer for almost two decades, they have way more business sense than that. I am just saying that some remarkably basic work has not yet been done with this new feature.

On a positive note, I will say that the new PG looks like it may be much more usable. The old one I would use to demo to people, but in my actual use was too cluttered for me. I would instead almost always use a layout I had created, and then the search box.

And the Factbook looks beefed up and more usable too. Not sure that the featured definition for "Lutheranism" should be from the 19th century Catholic Dictionary in my library though...

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 7:06 AM

Ken McGuire:

In doing a few sample passage guides, it did pick out Luther's exegetical writings and the Augsburg Commentaries - a good start. But it did not pick up Lenski and The Lutheran Commentary on the New Testament passage I tried, and did not pick up K&D and Leupold for the Old Testament passage I tried.

We've got many, many more coming.

In fact I added Lenksi.

Ken McGuire:

Even worse, it listed Richard D. Nelson's volume on Kings as being a Methodist commentary. He may work at a Methodist school, but is on the ELCA clergy roster.

Thanks for the heads up.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 7:12 AM

Ken McGuire:
Not sure that the featured definition for "Lutheranism" should be from the 19th century Catholic Dictionary in my library though...

If you change your resource prioritization, I expect that will change.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 10:36 AM

That was fast! Now Lenski, The Lutheran Commentary, and Richard D. Nelson are listed as Lutheran.

Spot checks on a few other Lutheran authors show up as Lutheran from larger sets.

K&D and Leupold are not yet listed as Lutheran, but I hardly expected a fix anywhere near this fast.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 1:56 PM

Ken McGuire:

K&D and Leupold are not yet listed as Lutheran, but I hardly expected a fix anywhere near this fast.

We pushed out a large update this afternoon. K&D and Leupold were included.

FWIW. I'm counting 215 individual commentary resources that are classified as "Lutheran"

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 2:37 PM

Not to complain really, but the top of Lutheran Starter says it includes the Eerdmans Commentary. Instead it includes the Eerdmans Dictionary. IMHO it needs the Dictionary more than the Commentary, but it is specifically listed as a featured resource.

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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 26 2020 4:31 PM

https://fl.vu/q92rk7 

Kyle:

I have a biography of Dispensational commentaries.  I would like to see that classification. I am a grad of Dallas Theological Seminary and Tyndale Seminary.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 27 2020 7:57 AM

John Brumett:

https://fl.vu/q92rk7 

Kyle:

I have a biography of Dispensational commentaries.  I would like to see that classification. I am a grad of Dallas Theological Seminary and Tyndale Seminary.

Good suggestion. On our end we've been gathering that information as a theological position but we're not exposing it as a a denominational tradition. We're hoping to do more exposure of an author's particular theological position in the future but we're not there yet.

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