Logos and the MacBook Air M1, compared to a maxed out 2019 MacBook Pro 16"

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2020 4:21 PM

Bill Anderson:

Dan Lioy, Ph.D.:

One of the things this author suggests is that battery life isn't nearly as good as Apple claims when using certain apps in Roseta 2.

Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?

But in all reality, if it gave me 10 hours I would be perfectly happy with that. If it gave me eight hours I would be happy.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2020 4:25 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Bill Anderson:

Does anyone with the new MacBook notice whether running Logos is a battery drain?

It seemed pretty good this week during hours of sermon prep. This morning I ran Proclaim about 2 hours and my current battery is 86% (I hadn't touched it since church). 

I also think the following quote about 80% sums me up. “I think the new MacBook Pro 13” M1 will be fine for users who use 100% Apple software, stay primarily in Safari and don’t need to connect it to a bunch of peripherals.” 
generally speaking, logos is primarily one of my only non-Apple used applications. I do use affinity and they have already come out with a Apple silicone version of their software. I also use a few other things like 1Password, and they’ve already re-compiled as well. as far as browsers, I use Safari 100% of the time.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 6:02 AM

Wilson Hines:

I also think the following quote about 80% sums me up. “I think the new MacBook Pro 13” M1 will be fine for users who use 100% Apple software, stay primarily in Safari and don’t need to connect it to a bunch of peripherals.” 

It's also fine for users (like me) who use a lot of non-Apple apps (Accordance, Logos, Word, Excel, Notability, OmniOutliner, Scrivener, Stream Deck) and various peripherals (a Stream Deck, an wireless Logitech keyboard, a Logitech web cam, etc). 

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 6:54 AM

On the non-Logos side of comparison, I just compared importing and rendering yesterday's sermon video into Final Cut Pro on the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air. The Air finished when the Pro was still at 66% percent, at which point I quit FCP on both computers. The Pro's fans ran the whole time, and are still running a minute AFTER quitting FCP. The Air has no fans, and so I'm sure that it throttled the M1 back to keep heat down, but was still significantly faster than the Pro. So, I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1. 

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 7:14 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:

I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1. 



 I’m a quick thinker. I’ve ordered a 13” MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1 TB storage. $10 a month with the 16” as a trade-in. 

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 8:11 AM

Wow! $10. 

I did not put anything on a credit card, but I do try to think like your thinking. In my mind I think about how much it cost me to own something over the lifetime that I do on it. For example my current i7 has cost me $30.13 a month to own for 6 1/2 years. 
This new MacBook for the same  months will cost me $26.28 per month. You can’t beat that.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 8:13 AM

I have also posted my old MacBook on craigslist and have not even got a nibble. I’m fine with that in all reality. But it would be nice to be able to recoup some of the money. They would only give me $350 for it in trade-in, and I just thought it was not worth giving the computer up for that.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:05 AM

Wilson Hines:

I have also posted my old MacBook on craigslist and have not even got a nibble. I’m fine with that in all reality. But it would be nice to be able to recoup some of the money. They would only give me $350 for it in trade-in, and I just thought it was not worth giving the computer up for that.

We move in to our church every week (in a local museum) but if I had a dedicated sound booth, I wouldn't mind putting an older Mac in it as a dedicated Proclaim machine, or recording the sermon audio each week. I've typically passed my laptops down to my kids, and there are also a couple of missionaries in the East who are using my old laptops. 

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Dan Lioy, Ph.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:19 AM

For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:24 AM

Dan Lioy, Ph.D.:

For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI

I’ll check that out when I’m on WIFI. Thanks. 

For me personally, 16 GB is a no brainer simply from the perspective of owning the rig for five or more years. The thing I wrestled with was storage. It was hard for me to buy the 1TB, but I don’t regret it. 

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Mike Prewitt | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:44 AM

Dan Lioy, Ph.D.:

For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI

More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:47 AM

Mike Prewitt:

Dan Lioy, Ph.D.:

For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI

More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.

There’s no question about what you’re saying. That’s just old facts. I haven’t seen the video yet. The other side of the coin is if the RAM is over utilized, it will slow the system down. 

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:53 AM

Mike Prewitt:

More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.

Too true. Even at 8GB the Air was the match of the Pro. I think 16GB would provide modest gains, but not major ones.

"The Guy In The Video"

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 10:29 AM

Testing is so often linear but people using them are so often working in a non-linear fashion that defies traditional tests.

The M1 appears to operate like its siblings on an iPad. I never notice that I have a half dozen apps open unless I look. On a traditional computer, that often becomes a big headache but not on the iPad.

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 10:49 AM

Jon Varner:

Do both machines have the same amount of ram and same sized SSD?

If you mean the Air and Pro in the original post, no: the Air has 8GB and the Pro has 32GB. Was that your question, or did I miss it?

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 10:51 AM

mab:

Testing is so often linear but people using them are so often working in a non-linear fashion that defies traditional tests.

That's true, and the reason I didn't just do a benchmark test. Even my testing was limited, clearly. My experience with the Air over the past several days, though, convinced me to pick up a 13" Pro and trade in my 16" Pro. 

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 10:53 AM

It'll be a few weeks before my 13" Pro gets here, but I'll repeat the same tests I did in the video, and compare times. I probably won't upload a video, unless it's dramatically different, but I'll get the results listed. 

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Mike Prewitt | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 12:48 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Mike Prewitt:

More RAM doesn't make your machine faster. But it helps you run more apps and switch back and forth with less paging to the SSD. So, the 16-MB model would do better at running multiple apps, which the guy in the video doesn't test.

"The Guy In The Video"

I was referring to the YouTube video posted by Dan, and not yours.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 12:53 PM

Mike Prewitt:

I was referring to the YouTube video posted by Dan, and not yours.

Ah - I didn’t  understand, thanks

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 3:34 PM
So you own a MacBook Air and a MacBook Pro? If so, which do you recommend for Logos? I’m thinking of getting the MacBook Air (M1, 2020) based on this thread, but noticed it doesn’t have a graphics card. Logos recommends a graphics card. How will no graphics card on the MacBook Air effect speed?
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