Screen Resolution.... 1920 x 1080
Increasing Tex sizes reduce number of columns.... This is max text size with program scaling at 90%...
I like it! I would like to see a hotkey implemented and those groovy page turns...
I also like that you do not have to use the "reading view" to use the "paged view"!
Great
I think they've done a great job on the paged mode, but I think it should allow the columns to get wider before it splits them. I don't known how they determine what's too wide, perhaps there could be a control for those who prefer a wider column. The max size seems narrower than a book (relative to the font size), and the corresponding minimum column size is too narrow for my tastes.
Here are three examples in Paged, Reading Mode (fullscreen) on my 1280x1024 monitor:
This is the widest the columns get before splitting. I think most books allow more words per line than this, but that's a gut feeling.
This is when I've just moved the ToC separator over by 1 notch from the previous, and it is the smallest that the columns get (too narrow for my taste):
This is how it looks without the ToC:
I'd really like to be able to control column size (and maybe margin size--although the margins do look good here, I'd prefer only two columns and that would mean wider columns and maybe wider margins). Other than that, I think the Paged mode is really cool.
I also like that you do not have to use the "reading view" to use the "paged view"! Great
Yes!
what the heck??????? How'd I miss 4.2? No wonder you all were quiet today . . . dangit! [:@]
[:P]
In reading view on a wide screen monitor I can't get down to two columns even at 80% program scaling. It's only when the panel is less than full screen width that I can get it down to two columns wide.
I do like this feature. It will help with scanning articles as well as reading them.
Cool! I'm downloading it now. At first I thought this was another thread pulling our legs (all of us who are beta addicts); it seemed too soon to expect 4.2 beta after 4.1 shipped.
I have one suggestion/request for this feature. Please have Page Up and Page Down move us just one column to the right or left. That way I can place the columns I want to look at at the same time on the page. Right now the way a resource opens determines where the 'page break' goes and that isn't always where I'd prefer. Revealing/hiding one new column with each Page Up/Page Down would work around that.
Hmm... I don't know Mark. Part of me agrees that a single column advance might work, but I would prefer that the arrow key would do that, while Page up/down would still advance the entire page.
Like the column view. When I paste into word 2007, from the print command, I lose the two column view. Is this by design, or am I doing something wrong? If I select some text and ask it to copy using the copy command from the tool menu, It does not retain the two column view.
I concur! I'm so grateful for that, it enables me to read with a word processor open on the same screen now.
Part of me agrees that a single column advance might work, but I would prefer that the arrow key would do that,
The left and right arrow keys control parallel resource cycling, so wouldn't work on resources for which there is a parallel resource association. Maybe another key combo? Anyway they want to implement it, I'd like to be able to move a column at a time through a resource.
Part of me agrees that a single column advance might work, but I would prefer that the arrow key would do that, The left and right arrow keys control parallel resource cycling, so wouldn't work on resources for which there is a parallel resource association. Maybe another key combo? Anyway they want to implement it, I'd like to be able to move a column at a time through a resource.
What about the up and down arrow keys? A quick test on mine with four columns looks like it moves three columns. Turn that down to just one and we'd have a winner. No?
What about the up and down arrow keys? A quick test on mine with four columns looks like it moves three columns.
HMM, in mine it moves a whole page, just the same as Page Up/Page Down.
How many columns showing Mark?
Six. I am in Reading View.
We wanted to keep the UI as uncluttered as possible, so instead of letting (or making) you choose a number of columns, we try to do it "automagically." We are optimizing for 10 words per line, (obviously a few more when there's extra space, etc.) which published research indicates is the optimal width for reading.
Yes, that's narrower than many (but not all!) books. But wider than newspapers! :-)
I think they've done a great job on the paged mode, but I think it should allow the columns to get wider before it splits them. I don't known how they determine what's too wide, perhaps there could be a control for those who prefer a wider column. The max size seems narrower than a book (relative to the font size), and the corresponding minimum column size is too narrow for my tastes. We wanted to keep the UI as uncluttered as possible, so instead of letting (or making) you choose a number of columns, we try to do it "automagically." We are optimizing for 10 words per line, (obviously a few more when there's extra space, etc.) which published research indicates is the optimal width for reading. Yes, that's narrower than many (but not all!) books. But wider than newspapers! :-)
I like the "automagically", but I'd also like a slider to let me adjust the target width of the column...similar to the font size slider. The problem with 10 words per line is that it's the maximum, but in most cases it's less than that.
If Logos moves to an "advance 1 column" option I would want to see it animated in some way. to simply have column 2 replace column 1 and add column 3 would confuse my simple mind, even if I knew that is what would happen by hitting a particular key. I can understand where it would be helpful. Sometimes you want to be able to see two texts together on the same page and not allowing column shifting could mean you have to keep bouncing back between two pages because you need column 2 and column 3. But I would want the columns to "slide" into place...I know, picky.
I forgot to say one thing in my previous post. I absolutely love the automagically rendered columns. I absolutely love that it is not limited to reading view and that I can float a window and have the columns. I ran into a bit of a problem getting the reading view on my second monitor so I just floated the window. I knew it would be a feature I appreciated but I have started to do much more "through a book" reading in Logos and I didn't realize how much the experience was going to improve with multiple columns. If some kind of tweaking of the automagically rendered column widths was provided I would want it to be a universally set item in Program settings. Maybe a slider with more words on one side and less words on the other.
When I want to read I don't want to give my mind the distraction of "oh yeah, I can adjust these columns till there just right." I would rather not have the option so my mind isn't distracted by the option.
Have I mentioned I love the multi-columns? As simple of a thing as it is I would put it as a better enhancement then even printing. I use Logos to read, not print, and though I have found the printing feature very handy...I love the multi columns.
I'm very excited about the multi-columns. In fact I need to improve the wireless signal in the church office so that I can have a good connection between my IPod Touch and my computer. I have an app called Air Mouse which allows excellent and complete control of my laptop. I'm looking forward to sitting back with my little Ipod in my hand and reading and highlighting away.
Now Logos can get to work putting fine print footnotes at the bottom of the columns and making the columns full justified :-)
EDIT: Just wanted to add that I am giddy with excitement over multi-columns.
Major league giddy here also....this is A GREAT feature!!!
I am also happy to see the long awaited column view. I have no time to play with it right now (we have a mission's conference) but good job Logos [Y]
It WOULD be nice if there were a global "use page view for all bibles" sort of thing....
Same here - up/down arrow does the same as pageup/pagedown
Tested with 6 columns and 3 with the pane docked or floating.
I agree it would be nice to move with a finer granularity than a page but I really do like this feature!
Graham
I think this a great feature. I like it much more than I could imagine when I read the suggestion time ago.
Maybe, but Logos remembers your settings and open resources in the same way as last time. I think that's enough.
Agreed. When I am reading through a chapter or large section I will probably always use columned paging. However when I am researching a passage I would rather have the scroll bar visible. That being said an auto feature would be nice. The auto-feature would switch from multi-column to scroll bar setting automatically when there is only room for 1 column.
Thank you Logos for such a nice implementation of the Paged View. Here is my feedback:
1. You may want to move the Paged View option in the menu to the same group as Reading View. As it stands now it sits in an awkward place on its own. There are already a lot of one-off menu items each in its own group with a separator line.
2. I agree that there should be a global setting to make Paged View my default for all windows. Alternatively, we can make Reading View (F11) automatically switch to Paged View (why would anyone want to read something with words stringed 13 or 20 inches across the screen?)
3. I suggest changing the name of this option. To me the multi-column nature of this feature is much more prominent than the fact that the user-unfriendly scrollbar is no longer there. Maybe call it "Multi-Column View" instead? (To be honest, I rarely use the scrollbar because it scrolls over the entire book or Bible, and I almost always overshoot. If I need to go to another part of the book, I use the table of content.)
4. Consider adding optional buttons or page-turn curls for easier page turns. Currently you either have to use the Page Up / Down buttons on the keyboard (they are small on my netbook and hard to reach on standard keyboards), or reach for the tiny up/down arrows on the upper right hand corner. I envision having either page-forward/page-back (triangles) buttons or page curls that appear on the window's lower right and left corners when you hover your mouse to those corners. Similar to Amazon.com's "Look Inside" view or Kindle for PC app.
5. The feature seems to determine the number of columns based on the font size selection. This works great for the English resources I've tried. However, for some reason, the Chinese Union Version Bible had always displayed in this huge default font size. I always have to set it to the small font size for it not to visually overwhelm all the other resources. Because of that, Paged View seems to create too many narrow columns for this particular resource, making it hard to read to say the least, and confusing when reading poetry sections of the Bible. Screen shot below.
(BTW, has anyone looked at a Bible in Paged View with the bottom Interlinear pane turned on? It's a beautiful thing! Thanks again Logos!)
Peter
EDIT: One simple way to fix the Chinese Bible problem is to set the internal "automagical" column width factor differently for Chinese resources. Instead of 10 words per line, set it to 15 or 18. That will make the CUV behave correctly in Paged View.
Nice feature!
I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify" (that is wat MS Word calls it). Now the collumns are left-aligned, and the right side of the collumn is "jumpy". I would like to see straight collumns, just like most newspapers and books have.
making the columns full justified :-)
Nice feature! I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify" (that is wat MS Word calls it). Now the collumns are left-aligned, and the right side of the collumn is "jumpy". I would like to see straight collumns, just like most newspapers and books have.
+1 I'd like to see full-justified columns (or at least an option for them)
Fantastic feature though!
making the columns full justified :-) I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify"... +1 I'd like to see full-justified columns (or at least an option for them)
I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify"...
Same here, I always prefer justified view.
I'll report the issue with the CUV in Paged View. You might try toggling to Reading View. When I switch to Reading View with the text size decreased, it goes from 5 columns to 4 columns.
Thanks for the quick response, Melissa. I was using Reading View to take the screen shot.
Are the above left-right and up-down arrows supposed to be responsive in the Page view?
If I have already used the space bar or my keyboard arrows to get to then next pages then yes, (sometimes) these pictured up-down & side-to-side arrows will sometimes work...but not always ..and not with any speed.
Even when they eventually move there would be enough lag time that I would assume they are not working.
ON THE OTHER HAND I REALLY, REALLY WANT THIS AS MY DEFAULT VIEW !!!
Thank-you!
Except that I spent 15-20 minutes this morning "arrowing through" and setting all of my bibles to "page view"....one by one...
A "one click" preference would have been nice...then I could turn it off on a selective basis if necessary.
One of the items that could be adjusted with the paged view would be the distance between the text and the parsing/lexical info. I find that the text occasionally is slightly covered by the parsing box, especially when the font it set to a smaller setting. Perhaps adding an extra 2-3 millimeters of space on the bottom edge would correct this issue. You can still read the text, but it would be more pleasing to the eye if your text wasn't so close to the info box. It does cover up parts of letters (i.e. the bottom of the "y" in the word "hairy" [see screenshot below]).
so instead of letting (or making) you choose a number of columns, we try to do it "automagically."
Hi Bob,
I would like reading view to be limited to 1 or 2 columns as I find that 4-6 columns to be very distracting when I maximize the window and I loose what I see as the advantage of reading mode.. I like to maximize the window to block out other distractions.
For me, adding a control to change the number of columns and another to change the words per column would be very welcome additions.
Regards,
Clinton
Don't forget that you can expand the Table of Contents till only 2 views are shown.
my keyboard arrows to get to then next page
My Left /Right Keyboard arrows take me to the next "Parallel resource", Up/Down arrows do nothing ? What keys are you using ?
What keys are you using ?
Thanks, Andrew:
In the OP can you see the small arrows in the picture (screen capture snipping) beside and above "article" ?
Those were the ones I was refering to.
Thanks so much
All the best
Ok thanks, I thought you meant on keyboard. Yes those work for me also.
Are the above left-right and up-down arrows supposed to be responsive in the Page view? If I have already used the space bar or my keyboard arrows to get to then next pages then yes, (sometimes) these pictured up-down & side-to-side arrows will sometimes work...but not always ..and not with any speed. Even when they eventually move there would be enough lag time that I would assume they are not working.
In page view you probably have a lot of articles in your window. Moving to next article just move the "insertion-point".
If you open a commentary and link it to one of your bibles and then jump to next vers by clicking in your commentary (page view) you will see your bible will proceed to next verse but your page view window will look the same until you reach the page brake.
When I clicking the down arrow I got the little glowing circle for a second in the "active" article / verse.
Thanks for new column view.
Could you please add navigation buttons to use in the full screen "Reading View" ? On Tablet PC when its folded to have two buttons Forwards - Backwards would be very helpful.
There was a mentioning about "Kindle-like" buttons a while ago in the forums.
Thanks.
I got the little glowing circle for a second in the "active" article / verse
OK, Ebbe, that is helpful.
I had no idea what the "glowing" was supposed to signal.
I could see it, but nothing else seemed to be happening.
Thanks
1. Wow!
2. Wow! etc.
Only problem is navigation when you do not have page up/down on your keyboard.
The up and down arrows work intermittently.
It seems to depend on which part of the panel has the focus. For example, use the arrow buttons to go to the next highlight. The arrow keys stop working until you click on the text itself (i.e. the text regains the focus).
OK I could understand this if, whilst preventing the up/down keys from moving the text, the keys were allowed to move between highlights. As it is, if the arrow button has the focus then the up/down keys neither move between pages nor between highlights. [:S] [*-)]
Could you please add navigation buttons to use in the full screen "Reading View" ? On Tablet PC...
[Y]
Tablet PC here, too.
It would be helpful to have some page navigation.
Now I have to rely on pen flicks and they are sometimes tricky in L4.
Only problem is navigation when you do not have page up/down on your keyboard. The up and down arrows work intermittently.
I guess I'm lucky...mine work all of the time.
Except that this completely misses the point of my post which was to block out all non related material on the screen (including windows desktop stuff.)
If I have 2 and add the table of contents, I now have 3, my request was to be able to limit the display to 1 or 2 of just the book being read and no other material.
If I have 1 and add the table of contents, I now have unrelated material (actually for both cases) and I might as well not have the reading mode as the base program allows multiple panes of different text.
I seem to remember that one of the goals of reading mode was to remove the extraneous clutter so you can concentrate on a single resource without distraction (or maybe this is just my wish).
I love the paged view functionality: thank you Logos!!!
Additional feedback:
Bob has alluded to some of the research that has gone into optimal conditions for reading. One question I have is what use was seen for more than two columns? Why was it not limited to two columns so as to imitate the two page look of a book?
A related question would be more to fellow users: what do you prefer (find more useful)? A book-like look or a newspaper like look (more and smaller columns)? Would we rather have it as default a two column view and then be able to change it or do you prefer it the way it is?
I noted that when in paged view, I cannot select text at the end of the page and unto the next page for copy. What I mean is this: suppose the current screen shows the Bible up to John 3:16. If I want to copy John 3:16-17, I cannot select both verses. The page does not scroll down as I attempt to select more than the last verse. I don't know whether this is a bug or just a normal limitation of the way the paged view works.
I would add my vote to the curl turning page idea and a somewhat easier way to scroll through. But this is no complaint as I am very pleased with this feature even as it is right now.
Blessings on you folks!
I like the way Paged Mode comes on automatically when entering Reading View. This finally makes Reading view a useful tool for my method of reading\stufy, which is a kind of "lectio divina" process i.e. read until something grabs, then dive back to normal mode to study in detail.
Reading mode with Paged View on does seem pretty sluggish though, so looking forward to better performance.
ThanksRichard
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