4.2 beta: Reading View Paged View... First Looks.. What are your thoughts ?

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 3:19 AM | Locked

Thomas Black:

Hmm...   I don't know Mark.  Part of me agrees that a single column advance might work, but I would prefer that the arrow key would do that, while Page up/down would still advance the entire page.

If Logos moves to an "advance 1 column" option I would want to see it animated in some way. to simply have column 2 replace column 1 and add column 3 would confuse my simple mind, even if I knew that is what would happen by hitting a particular key. I can understand where it would be helpful. Sometimes you want to be able to see two texts together on the same page and not allowing column shifting could mean you have to keep bouncing back between two pages because you need column 2 and column 3. But I would want the columns to "slide" into place...I know, picky.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:07 AM | Locked

I forgot to say one thing in my previous post. I absolutely love the automagically rendered columns. I absolutely love that it is not limited to reading view and that I can float a window and have the columns. I ran into a bit of a problem getting the reading view on my second monitor so I just floated the window. I knew it would be a feature I appreciated but I have started to do much more "through a book" reading in Logos and I didn't realize how much the experience was going to improve with multiple columns. If some kind of tweaking of the automagically rendered column widths was provided I would want it to be a universally set item in Program settings. Maybe a slider with more words on one side and less words on the other.

When I want to read I don't want to give my mind the distraction of "oh yeah, I can adjust these columns till there just right." I would rather not have the option so my mind isn't distracted by the option.

Have I mentioned I love the multi-columns? As simple of a thing as it is I would put it as a better enhancement then even printing. I use Logos to read, not print, and though I have found the printing feature very handy...I love the multi columns.

I'm very excited about the multi-columns. In fact I need to improve the wireless signal in the church office so that I can have a good connection between my IPod Touch and my computer. I have an app called Air Mouse which allows excellent and complete control of my laptop. I'm looking forward to sitting back with my little Ipod in my hand and reading and highlighting away.

Now Logos can get to work putting fine print footnotes at the bottom of the columns and making the columns full justified :-)

EDIT: Just wanted to add that I am giddy with excitement over multi-columns.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:16 AM | Locked

Major league giddy here also....this is A GREAT feature!!!

Robert Pavich

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:18 AM | Locked

I am also happy to see the long awaited column view. I have no time to play with it right now (we have a mission's conference) but good job Logos Yes

Bohuslav

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:24 AM | Locked

It WOULD be nice if there were a global "use page view for all bibles" sort of thing....

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:32 AM | Locked

 

Mark A. Smith:
HMM, in mine it moves a whole page, just the same as Page Up/Page Down.

Same here - up/down arrow does the same as pageup/pagedown

Tested with 6 columns and 3 with the pane docked or floating.

I agree it would be nice to move with a finer granularity than a page but I really do like this feature!

Graham

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Ebbe Andréasson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:35 AM | Locked

I think this a great feature. I like it much more than I could imagine when I read the suggestion time ago.

Robert Pavich:
It WOULD be nice if there were a global "use page view for all bibles" sort of thing....

Maybe, but Logos remembers your settings and open resources in the same way as last time. I think that's enough.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:48 AM | Locked

Ebbe Andréasson:
Maybe, but Logos remembers your settings and open resources in the same way as last time. I think that's enough.

Agreed. When I am reading through a chapter or large section I will probably always use columned paging. However when I am researching a passage I would rather have the scroll bar visible. That being said an auto feature would be nice. The auto-feature would switch from multi-column to scroll bar setting automatically when there is only room for 1 column.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 5:02 AM | Locked

Thank you Logos for such a nice implementation of the Paged View.  Here is my feedback:

1. You may want to move the Paged View option in the menu to the same group as Reading View.  As it stands now it sits in an awkward place on its own.  There are already a lot of one-off menu items each in its own group with a separator line.

2. I agree that there should be a global setting to make Paged View my default for all windows.  Alternatively, we can make Reading View (F11) automatically switch to Paged View (why would anyone want to read something with words stringed 13 or 20 inches across the screen?)

3. I suggest changing the name of this option.  To me the multi-column nature of this feature is much more prominent than the fact that the user-unfriendly scrollbar is no longer there.  Maybe call it "Multi-Column View" instead? (To be honest, I rarely use the scrollbar because it scrolls over the entire book or Bible, and I almost always overshoot.  If I need to go to another part of the book, I use the table of content.) 

4. Consider adding optional buttons or page-turn curls for easier page turns.  Currently you either have to use the Page Up / Down buttons on the keyboard (they are small on my netbook and hard to reach on standard keyboards), or reach for the tiny up/down arrows on the upper right hand corner.  I envision having either page-forward/page-back (triangles) buttons or page curls that appear on the window's lower right and left corners when you hover your mouse to those corners.  Similar to Amazon.com's "Look Inside" view or Kindle for PC app.

5. The feature seems to determine the number of columns based on the font size selection.  This works great for the English resources I've tried.  However, for some reason, the Chinese Union Version Bible had always displayed in this huge default font size.  I always have to set it to the small font size for it not to visually overwhelm all the other resources.  Because of that, Paged View seems to create too many narrow columns for this particular resource, making it hard to read to say the least, and confusing when reading poetry sections of the Bible.  Screen shot below.

(BTW, has anyone looked at a Bible in Paged View with the bottom Interlinear pane turned on?  It's a beautiful thing!  Thanks again Logos!)

Peter

EDIT: One simple way to fix the Chinese Bible problem is to set the internal &quot;automagical&quot; column width factor differently for Chinese resources.  Instead of 10 words per line, set it to 15 or 18.  That will make the CUV behave correctly in Paged View.

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Simon | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 5:44 AM | Locked

Nice feature!

I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify" (that is wat MS Word calls it). Now the collumns are left-aligned, and the right side of the collumn is "jumpy". I would like to see straight collumns, just like most newspapers and books have.

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 7:33 AM | Locked

Philip Spitzer:
making the columns full justified :-)

Simon:

Nice feature!

I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify" (that is wat MS Word calls it). Now the collumns are left-aligned, and the right side of the collumn is "jumpy". I would like to see straight collumns, just like most newspapers and books have.

+1 I'd like to see full-justified columns (or at least an option for them)

Fantastic feature though!

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 8:44 AM | Locked

Ron Keyston Jr:

Philip Spitzer:
making the columns full justified :-)

Simon:

I would like to see an option to change text alignment to "justify"...

+1 I'd like to see full-justified columns (or at least an option for them)

Same here, I always prefer justified view. :)

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 8:44 AM | Locked

Peter Li:
5. The feature seems to determine the number of columns based on the font size selection.  This works great for the English resources I've tried.  However, for some reason, the Chinese Union Version Bible had always displayed in this huge default font size.  I always have to set it to the small font size for it not to visually overwhelm all the other resources.  Because of that, Paged View seems to create too many narrow columns for this particular resource, making it hard to read to say the least, and confusing when reading poetry sections of the Bible.  Screen shot below.

I'll report the issue with the CUV in Paged View. You might try toggling to Reading View. When I switch to Reading View with the text size decreased, it goes from 5 columns to 4 columns.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 10:02 AM | Locked

Thanks for the quick response, Melissa.  I was using Reading View to take the screen shot.

Peter

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 10:42 AM | Locked

Are the above left-right and up-down arrows supposed to be responsive in the Page view?

If I have already used the space bar or my keyboard arrows to get to then next pages then yes, (sometimes) these pictured up-down & side-to-side arrows will sometimes work...but not always ..and not with any speed.

Even when they eventually move there would be enough lag time that I would assume they are not working.

ON THE OTHER HAND I REALLY, REALLY WANT THIS AS MY DEFAULT VIEW !!!

Thank-you!

 

Regards, SteveF

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 10:56 AM | Locked

Ebbe Andréasson:
Maybe, but Logos remembers your settings and open resources in the same way as last time. I think that's enough.

Except that I spent 15-20 minutes this morning "arrowing through" and setting all of my bibles to "page view"....one by one...

A "one click" preference would have been nice...then I could turn it off on a selective basis if necessary.

Robert Pavich

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Jonathan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 2:04 PM | Locked

One of the items that could be adjusted with the paged view would be the distance between the text and the parsing/lexical info. I find that the text occasionally is slightly covered by the parsing box, especially when the font it set to a smaller setting. Perhaps adding an extra 2-3 millimeters of space on the bottom edge would correct this issue. You can still read the text, but it would be more pleasing to the eye if your text wasn't so close to the info box. It does cover up parts of letters (i.e. the bottom of the "y" in the word "hairy" [see screenshot below]).

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Clinton Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 2:13 PM | Locked

Bob Pritchett:
 so instead of letting (or making) you choose a number of columns, we try to do it "automagically." 

Hi Bob,

I would like reading view to be limited to 1 or 2 columns as I find that 4-6 columns to be very distracting when I maximize the window and I loose what I see as the advantage of reading mode.. I like to maximize the window to block out other distractions.

For me, adding a control  to change the number of columns and another to change the words per column would be very welcome additions.

Regards,

Clinton

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 4:23 PM | Locked

Clinton Thomas:
I would like reading view to be limited to 1 or 2 columns as I find that 4-6 columns to be very distracting when I maximize the window and I loose what I see as the advantage of reading mode.. I like to maximize the window to block out other distractions.

Don't forget that you can expand the Table of Contents till only 2 views are shown.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 5:17 PM | Locked

SteveF:
my keyboard arrows to get to then next page

My Left /Right Keyboard arrows take me to the next "Parallel resource", Up/Down arrows do nothing ? What keys are you using ?

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