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Scott Burke said:
John F. Walvoord is prelim and has a good commentary on Revelation
Cool! [H] Your link to the Revelation commentary led me to this link:
http://www.logos.com/products/details/4722 for the John F. Walvoord Commentary and Theology Collection (9 vols.)
Thanks for bringing that up!
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Matthew,
Thank you for sharing that Walvoord collection. Now I need to send the link to my wife as a hint for when she cannot figure out what to get me [;)]
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Scott Burke said:
Posted before reviewing
Scott,
You can edit posts for about 10 hours after you first put them up. On the top right of your post there is a "more" button. The drop down menu offers an "edit" option. This comes in handy for not just typos but hasty posts or those that just come across wrong. You can add, delete, strike-though, or replace parts or the whole post.
One word of caution: some people subscribe to threads of interest and whenever a new post is added, that new post is emailed to them. Any editing you do will not correct or delete the copy in their email box. It is much better to proofread and "think twice." I know many people wish I would use a spell-checker more often. [:$]
Another caveat: If somebody quotes your post, your edit will not be reflected in their quote. They do have the opportunity to edit your quote out of their post. You cannot edit anyone else's post. Boy, wouldn't that be a fun option?
Try out the edit feature now to see how it works!
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Matthew,
Thank you for informing me of those nice little editing tools. I will keep those in mind. Now if they could have a tool that would post for me that would be great!
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Abi Gail said:Dan DeVilder said:
I am living in the third millenium of Jesus Christ's reign . . .
Do you dare ignore the Prime Directive, handed down by M.J.?
Only 3 millennia? John 8:58 John 1:1-2 Col 1:15-17Good, everything is debatable. Great job. I hope you did use Logos to find those scriptures! [:P]
EDIT: Sorry, I did not notice there is the third page of posts on this thread. I am kind of behind [A]
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Dan DeVilder said:Abi Gail said:Dan DeVilder said:
I am living in the third millenium of Jesus Christ's reign . . .
Do you dare ignore the Prime Directive, handed down by M.J.?
Only 3 millennia? John 8:58 John 1:1-2 Col 1:15-17ahhhh, but he was not yet named "Jesus" . . .
That which we call a Rose, By any other name, Would smell as Sweet. [W]
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Jeremy, thanks for the reply. Yeah, I checked bestcommentaries.com and Eerdman sites before asking you, so I realize that Dr Carson has not notified the publisher and committed to a date. When you mentioned that his commentary on Revelation would be available "soon", I was hoping that you were still in contact with Dr. Carson and he might have mentioned something about his progress.
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Abi Gail said:Dan DeVilder said:Abi Gail said:Dan DeVilder said:
I am living in the third millenium of Jesus Christ's reign . . .
Do you dare ignore the Prime Directive, handed down by M.J.?
Only 3 millennia? John 8:58 John 1:1-2 Col 1:15-17ahhhh, but he was not yet named "Jesus" . . .
Matthew C Jones said:I have had great enjoyment reading this whole thread.
I would like to point out Whyndell (the original poster) asked about Logos resources and subsequently thanked posters for their input. There have been 31 posts since Whyndell's last post. Do you think maybe he has all we can give him in regards to Logos resources?
Dan;
I would love to discuss this with you, but I fear your Star is in jeopardy.
Abi Gail said:Matthew C Jones said:This concept is covered very well in a Logos resource. It is called "self-government with union" in the second volume of this collection:
The Christian History Library http://www.logos.com/products/details/3525Thanks for pointing me to that reference. I found one that is also found in my Logos resources. Acts 4:31
How many guidelines do you think the apostles/disciples bent in order to profess their beliefs? Didn't some die for that privilege?
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K.J. said:
That which we call a Rose, By any other name, Would smell as Sweet.
The Complete Works of William Shakespeare
So, what's in a name? [I] Try these Logos resources:
His Names Are Wonderful: Getting to Know God through His Hebrew Names
Intimate Moments with the Hebrew Names of God
Every Name of God in the Bible
The Names of the Trinity Collection (3 vols.)Jesus, name above all names Acts 4:12
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Matthew C Jones said:
Jesus, name above all names Acts 4:12
What a wonderful detour you have invited us to take !
Can you now see that stepping off the reservation is not always a bad thing?
If it is a sincere discussion of God and His love, Nothing but good can come of it.
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Matthew C Jones said:K.J. said:
That which we call a Rose, By any other name, Would smell as Sweet.
The Bible is special. It is unique. No other book has any such credentials. No other book even comes close. “England has two books, the Bible and Shakespeare. England made Shakespeare, but the Bible made England” (Victor Hugo, cited by Mead, Encyclopedia of Religious Quotations, p. 49).
McDowell, J., & Stewart, D. D. (1993). Answers to tough questions. Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.
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Many Christians are celebrating tomorrow not as Hallowed Eve, the day before All Saints Day,Abi Gail said:Matthew C Jones said:K.J. said:That which we call a Rose, By any other name, Would smell as Sweet.
The Bible is special. It is unique. No other book has any such credentials. No other book even comes close. “England has two books, the Bible and Shakespeare. England made Shakespeare, but the Bible made England” (Victor Hugo, cited by Mead, Encyclopedia of Religious Quotations, p. 49).
McDowell, J., & Stewart, D. D. (1993). Answers to tough questions. Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.
but as Reformation Day .............. in our lives and in our churches we continue to practise the tenets of the Reformation ...
. If you continue in My Word, our Lord says .........
REFORMATION DAYJohn 8.31-36
So if the Son makes you free,you will be free indeed.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
REFORMATION DAY
Demoralized Leaders
October 30
October 31, 1517 is the best-known date in Protestant history—the day Martin Luther nailed his convictions to the Wittenberg door. But an incident that happened 16 years before helps us understand Luther’s boldness. Rodrigo Borgia was named a cardinal in 1456, and “no sooner had he donned his red hat than he removed it, together with the rest of his raiment, for a marathon romp with a succession of women whose identity is unknown to us and may well have been unknown to him.”
His immorality only increased when, in 1492, he became Pope Alexander VI.
On October 30, 1501 Pope Alexander presided over the infamous “Ballet of the Chestnuts.” Guests approaching the papal palace saw living statutes of naked, gilded young people in erotic poses. Inside, after the dishes were cleared from the banquet hall, the city’s most beautiful prostitutes danced with the guests, shedding their clothes a bit at a time. Eventually the pope and his sons became judges of a contest in which guests stripped and performed with one another. Alexander awarded prizes to the men.
The corruption of the papacy continued under Alexander’s successor, Julius II, and when Luther visited Rome in 1510, he was shocked to find the papal court served by “twelve naked girls.” Down to his old age, Luther remembered seeing and hearing of sexual abominations taking place in the name of Christ by those who were thought to be spiritual leaders. He later wrote, “I would not have missed seeing Rome for a hundred thousand florins. If I did I should ever had been uneasy lest I might have done injustice to the pope.”
It was the demoralized nature of the papacy as much as its doctrinal failure that convinced Luther to risk prosecution and excommunication with fortitude. Holy living—personal purity—Luther knew, is married to pure doctrine, and the union is inseparable … for “the just shall live by faith.”
You are God’s people, so don’t let it be said that any of you are immoral or indecent or greedy. Don’t use dirty or foolish or filthy words. Instead, say how thankful you are. Being greedy, indecent, or immoral is just another way of worshiping idols. Ephesians 5:3-5a
Morgan, R. J. (2000). On this day : 265 amazing and inspiring stories about saints, martyrs & heroes (electronic ed.). Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers.
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Abi Gail said:Matthew C Jones said:K.J. said:
That which we call a Rose, By any other name, Would smell as Sweet.
The Bible is special. It is unique. No other book has any such credentials. No other book even comes close. “England has two books, the Bible and Shakespeare. England made Shakespeare, but the Bible made England” (Victor Hugo, cited by Mead, Encyclopedia of Religious Quotations, p. 49).
McDowell, J., & Stewart, D. D. (1993). Answers to tough questions. Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.
Yep.
But KJ was quoting Shakespeare.
And You and Hugo and Mead and McDowell will be hard pressed to find that quote in any Bible, regardless of which cannon you choose.
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Matthew C Jones said:
And You and Hugo and Mead and McDowell will be hard pressed to find that quote in any Bible, regardless of which cannon you choose.
Point taken, However, I did find some pretty mushy poetry.[:D]
Song 2:1-2
"I am the rose of Sharon, [W]
The lily of the valleys."
2 "Like a lily among the thorns, [W]
So is my darling among the maidens."
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Abi Gail said:
Demoralized Leaders
Maybe "Im-moralized" would be better fit.
Would that all protestants were as dedicated to holiness. In my life I have seen immorality wearing every type of cleric's garb; be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Mormon, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh........... (fill in your own favorites, they've all fallen short.)
It is not the outer garments that make a man. We must all be clothed in the righteousness of Christ. My "goods works" (filthy rags that they are) will not be adequate to attend the marriage supper of the Lamb. Isaiah 64:6Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Dear Brother Jones:
I do not disagree with anything you say. We are polishing different facets of the same precious stone. I did not set out to bash Catholics. Mel mentioned Reformation Day. I posted a daily reading (devotional if you will) that expanded on that fact. I do not presume to state that any denomination is purer than another. Far from it. It is my belief that every protestant denomination finds one issue to protest, and one pet truth that they believe sets them apart from all other denominations. They can then steal sheep from other flocks by convincing them that their truth is better than the other truths.
Bottom line...Christ's TRUE Church doesn't have stained glass windows, or Dogma, or Politics.
Gal 1:8-9
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
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Abi Gail said:
We are polishing different facets of the same precious stone. I did not set out to bash Catholics. Mel mentioned Reformation Day. I posted a daily reading
I understand and agree with you. I was not reprimanding you. (Sorry if it sounded so.) I was only expanding the original devotional's statement to include all of sinful man, whatever trappings he decorates his outward body with. I receive a few daily email devotionals that mentioned Reformation Day this week. I celebrate lots of days as holy days. But the holiness I need to compare to is that of my holy God and not the miserable failures of mere humans. I can usually find a human I judge as dirtier than myself. I can not compare myself to my Lord without humbly acknowledging my own inadequacies.
Abi Gail said:Bottom line...Christ's TRUE Church doesn't have stained glass windows, or Dogma, or Politics.
Again, I agree. I first comprehended this while reading Chuck Colson's book "The Body"
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Matthew C Jones said:
I first comprehended this while reading Chuck Colson's book "The Body"
I will add it to my list....But OHHHHHH the list is so long.
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Abi Gail said:
It was the demoralized nature of the papacy
I think you misspoke. Don't you mean "the demoralized nature of Rodrigo Borgia a.k.a. Pope Alexander VI"?[:)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Abi Gail said:
Mel mentioned Reformation Day. I posted a daily reading (devotional if you will) that expanded on that fact.
Reformation day is a significant day in liturgical calendars and is clearly relevant to Logos. I have trouble, however, thinking that those who celebrate Reformation day are not focused on the Reformation and it's leaders ... it would be a waste of their time and energy to celebrate the Borgias ... In fact, I have trouble believing anyone would celebrate them. So your "devotional" fits how?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Abi Gail said:
It was the demoralized nature of the papacy
I think you misspoke. Don't you mean "the demoralized nature of Rodrigo Borgia a.k.a. Pope Alexander VI"?
No, I didn't misspeak. "Demoralized Leaders" was the title the writers gave the article.The allusion to the Demoralized Nature of the Papacy was their choice of words... not mine. I added Nothing. (Thank you Logos, for Copy and Paste.) You can accuse them of misspeaking, if you like.[:)]
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MJ. Smith said:Abi Gail said:
Mel mentioned Reformation Day. I posted a daily reading (devotional if you will) that expanded on that fact.
Reformation day is a significant day in liturgical calendars and is clearly relevant to Logos. I have trouble, however, thinking that those who celebrate Reformation day are not focused on the Reformation and it's leaders ... it would be a waste of their time and energy to celebrate the Borgias ... In fact, I have trouble believing anyone would celebrate them. So your "devotional" fits how?
I understood it to be celebrating Martin Luther. " October 31, 1517 is the best-known date in Protestant history—the day Martin Luther nailed his convictions to the Wittenberg door." Some regard Luther as the father of the Reformation. No One can deny that he was instrumental in it's onset. How do you speak of the Reformation, and not mention Martin Luther? The Book made a valid point (in my mind) That it was the Papal corruption that gave Luther the conviction to make a stand.[:)]
I will paste today's entry, for comparison, and possible clarification:
" High Noon
October 31
In 1517 Pope Leo X, empty-pocketed and needing funds to rebuild St. Peter’s basilica, issued a special “sale” of indulgences. The very word “indulgence” tends to convey dubious moral connotations, but these indulgences were particularly questionable. What was an “indulgence”? It was a special sort of forgiveness for sins issued by the pope in consideration of various acts of merit, in this case donations to Leo’s treasury. Indulgences could even be “purchased” on behalf of loved ones in purgatory.
Dominican friar Johann Tetzel became the pontiff’s peddler, a P. T. Barnum traveling around with a brass-bound chest, a bag of printed receipts, and an enormous cross draped with a papal banner. Whenever Tetzel came to a town, church bells peeled, crowds gathered, and street performers kicked up their heels. Tetzel would set up shop in the nave of the local church, open his bags, and shout, “I have here the passports to lead the human soul to the celestial joys of Paradise. As soon as the coin rings in the bowl, the soul for whom it is paid will fly from purgatory and straight to heaven.”
He usually exceeded his quota.
But many were troubled, and when the hard eyes of Martin Luther fell on the indulgences purchased by fellow villagers in Wittenberg, he studied them carefully and pronounced them frauds. At high noon on October 31, 1517, Luther, a 33-year-old university professor, walked to the door of Castle Church in Wittenberg, Germany, and tacked to it a document. The door served as the town bulletin board, and Martin Luther had an announcement to post. He called for a “disputation on the power and efficacy of indulgences.”
A few curious passersby drew near and scanned the words: “Out of love for the faith and the desire to bring it to light, the following propositions will be discussed at Wittenberg under the chairmanship of the Reverend Father Martin Luther, Master of Arts and Sacred Theology. … ” There followed a list of 95 items.
Luther did not yet know what mighty blows he had struck."
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lol, is it just me, or is this a teeny bit off-topic? (jk!. . . it is OT, but those things don't bother me at all, the wannabe king of Off Topic posts . . . )
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Going to a thread that is off topic is like going to a leafy fig tree with no figs.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Jerry M said:
Going to a thread that is off topic is like going to a leafy fig tree with no figs.
Good Humour, Jerry! *smile*
Peace to you! And to all!
If anyone wants to go to the source, Logos has The 95 Theses el cheapo!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Good Morning Mel;
Did you find time to re-visit Luther's "Preface to Romans"...as you had hoped?[:)]
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Good Morning, Abi, and Peace to you this Lord's Day!
...........and Great Joy in the Lord! *smile*
I did indeed pursue Luther's Galatians Preface. In fact I had it open in a floating window for a number of days until I could "read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest" the gist of it once again. Was grateful to be reminded of this work!
Blessings
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Our original conversation was about the Preface to Romans...Not Galatians. He did write one for Galatians. (as well as James,Jude, and Revelation)...all pale in comparison to his Romans Preface. I can just imagine that he was at that "First Love" state while studying Romans. It is My understanding that It was his study of Romans that prompted him to see all of Scripture in a new light.
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ooppss! You are right of course! *smile* Must be a bit wooley-headed this morning. Had a few things to do before Worship today - am leaving now! - and for some reason I was also thinking about Luther's Commentary on Galatians .........
.......... it was, though, the Romans preface that I pondered after your post .......
thanks for the correction ............ maybe I'll open it again on this Reformation Day ......
hoping our Pastor (love him!) and the hymns .......specially chosen, I'm sure ........ and the Red Paraments for this morning's Liturgical Service ........... are inspiring ...... but above all ........
help me focus again on the Grace of God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!
Peace to you!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Matthew C Jones said:
A Complete Guide to Understanding the Dispensationalism Controversy
Here is a book that comes from a dispensational perspective and yet is post tribulational, an interesting mix. The Church and the Tribulation A Biblical Examination of Posttribulationism by Robert H. Gundry
A here is a popular video going around. It's on topic, (but unrelated to L4.) (Hey, everybody else is violating. why not me
GodTube - Today's Christian Videos - After Great Tribulation
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Abi Gail said:MJ. Smith said:Abi Gail said:
It was the demoralized nature of the papacy
I think you misspoke. Don't you mean "the demoralized nature of Rodrigo Borgia a.k.a. Pope Alexander VI"?
No, I didn't misspeak. "Demoralized Leaders" was the title the writers gave the article.The allusion to the Demoralized Nature of the Papacy was their choice of words... not mine. I added Nothing. (Thank you Logos, for Copy and Paste.) You can accuse them of misspeaking, if you like.
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Matthew C Jones said:
Would that all protestants were as dedicated to holiness. In my life I have seen immorality wearing every type of cleric's garb; be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Mormon, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh........... (fill in your own favorites, they've all fallen short.)
Yes, you are right Matthew, but still there is a great difference in what was going on in those days and today. The leadership of the named denominations (I am not speaking about the non-Christian religions you named) is seeing it as a problem and dealing more or less with the immorality when it occurs. In the time leading to the Reformation the top leadership was a problem. And it was connected to the doctrinal issues IMHO (as somebody noticed already).
I am glad we live in a different days, however not being without our own challenges and problems.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Yes, you are right Matthew, but still there is a great difference in what was going on in those days and today
Bohuslav Wojnar said:seeing it as a problem and dealing more or less with the immorality when it occurs.
Thank you for having the courage to swim upstream and identify the problem.
Bohuslav Wojnar said:I am glad we live in a different days
I'm not sure that the victims of the current version of immorality would agree. I am related to 2 men in their 50's who were savagely scarred by the pedophilia of the priesthood. They have joined the thousands who have testified about the Cover-Up of the crimes inflicted on children... and after 40 years of carrying that baggage, are seeking counseling to finally deal with the crimes inflicted upon them.
Different days? ...Dealing more or less with the immorality when it occurs?
I'm just not so sure.[:(]
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"And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
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I sure didn't know all that. I'm gonna enjoy this site.
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Abi Gail said:Bohuslav Wojnar said:
I am glad we live in a different days
I'm not sure that the victims of the current version of immorality would agree. I am related to 2 men in their 50's who were savagely scarred by the pedophilia of the priesthood. They have joined the thousands who have testified about the Cover-Up of the crimes inflicted on children... and after 40 years of carrying that baggage, are seeking counseling to finally deal with the crimes inflicted upon them.
Different days? ...Dealing more or less with the immorality when it occurs?
I'm just not so sure.
I'm sad to agree. The days are still too similar.
This problem is not isolated to the "other guys" but purveys throughout every denomination. I venture a guess that each of your own churches carry some type of "sexual misconduct" liability insurance. And a g00gle search will show there is good reason to. But insurance, cover-ups and the denominational designations do not help the victim
I am not sure how any of this relates to Revelation & historical premillennialism, yet. [H]
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Matthew C Jones said:
I am not sure how any of this relates to Revelation & historical premillennialism, yet.
2 Thess 2:3-5
For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
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Matthew C Jones said:
I'm sad to agree. The days are still too similar.
This problem is not isolated to the "other guys" but purveys throughout every denomination. I venture a guess that each of your own churches carry some type of "sexual misconduct" liability insurance. And a g00gle search will show there is good reason to. But insurance, cover-ups and the denominational designations do not help the victim
I will say just one more thing and than leave the OT subject. I am very sorry for all victims of any misconduct. However there is a difference in the scope of evil. I will say it by an analogy. We have corruption in our country today. We have all kind of criminal things, even some problems of connection of criminal world to the government structures. But, but... it is nothing to be compared with the scope of lawlessness and corruption of whole system we had in the time of the communist regime. There was no way to escape. It was whole our world. Not just cases of evil individuals, whole system had been evil. That is the difference I see.
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
However there is a difference in the scope of evil. I will say it by an analogy. We have corruption in our country today.
I find a flaw in your analogy, in that it uses earthly governments to make your point. Please use Logos to read 1 Sam 8:4-22
The warning God gave through Samuel was not just for the Israelites, But for anyone who chooses, or has a human government imposed upon them.
The only positive thing that can come of the atrocities inflicted by this corruption, is that it can, on occasion, prompt people to reach out to God for relief from their Pain. Gen 50:20
This is rarely the case when the crimes are done by people who claim to be representatives of God.
Once one turns their back on the institution that claims to represent God...In many cases , they will turn their back on God, Himself.
Therein lies the danger. It is a well thought out plan, put into motion by the deceiver. And it works...Flawlessly.
God Bless. [:)]
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
The reason for my interest is after, what seems a life time, I have in the last 8 years been on a journey away from Dispensationalism- I can no longer biblically support its tenants.
It was about 7 or 8 years ago that I started questioning the presuppositions of dispensationalism (after 20 years of studying and teaching it in a church) and found it wanting. I go back and forth between historic premil and amil. There is a resource in my Logos but I am not sure how I came by it. It may have come with the Scholars package or it may have been a promotional giveaway. It is called "Hope in Hard TImes-The Final Curtain: Revelation by Bob Utley (aka R.J.D Utley). He tries to avoid advocating for a particular view but rather talks about the process of developing one's view. He mentions that Ladd is one of his favorite commentators. I haven't read the whole study guide but what I have read has been helpful.
Take a look and see if it is already in your collection.
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Abi Gail said:
I find a flaw in your analogy, in that it uses earthly governments to make your point. Please use Logos to read 1 Sam 8:4-22
No, I don't think so. I don't want to develop that any further, so just to clarify my analogy. Communism was both, philosophy (even religion) and political system assuming world government. The danger of the corruption coming out of this connection was therefore much bigger than from any individual crook who happens to be politician today. That's all.
The reference from 1 Sam 8:4-22 I understand as being directly for Israel, indirectly (in a spiritual way) of course in many ways to all of us. I don't believe in building theocracy in Prague, Brussels, Rome or Washington. But that is bringing us too much off-topic, so let us leave it.
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Gregory Bednarchik said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
The reason for my interest is after, what seems a life time, I have in the last 8 years been on a journey away from Dispensationalism- I can no longer biblically support its tenants.
It was about 7 or 8 years ago that I started questioning the presuppositions of dispensationalism (after 20 years of studying and teaching it in a church) and found it wanting. I go back and forth between historic premil and amil. There is a resource in my Logos but I am not sure how I came by it. It may have come with the Scholars package or it may have been a promotional giveaway. It is called "Hope in Hard TImes-The Final Curtain: Revelation by Bob Utley (aka R.J.D Utley). He tries to avoid advocating for a particular view but rather talks about the process of developing one's view. He mentions that Ladd is one of his favorite commentators. I haven't read the whole study guide but what I have read has been helpful.
Take a look and see if it is already in your collection.
Greg
Yes I have it- but have not until this point looked at it- will give it a closer look.
Thanks [Y]
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Carson used to be amil but is now historic premil
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For those interested I found a pdf of Horae Apocalypticae all 4 volumes here. Maybe Logos would consider getting this into oue libraries
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This set was included in the Classic Commentaries and Studies on Revelation which recently went from Community Pricing to Prepub.Whyndell Grizzard said:Maybe Logos would consider getting this into oue libraries
D. A. Carson's views on Revelation can be listened to here.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Andy Evans said:Jerry M said:
D. A. Carson's views on Revelation can be listened to here.
Thanks for this, Jerry. Greatly appreciated and I will looked forward to listening to this.
Andy
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Me, too.
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