I GIVE UP
Four days lost, with the help of a lot of good people here on the Logos forum. Contact with the staff and technician taking over the control of the machine but not understanding the problem, indexed it again, but in vain. I think the Logos conceivers will have some more work if they want to conquer the Mac public.
Let's hope I will finally get an answer for the refund.
Thanks to those who tried to help..
Prof Goldman
Old Testament
Unviersity of Fribourg
Editorial Board of the Bibiia Hebraica
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Prof Goldman,
I think there may have been some issue with your index. You should have gotten search hits for your prior searches. If you can send me your diagnostic logs, I can take a look and see if there were any issues.
You will find a link here:http://community.logos.com/forums/t/25043.aspx for a utility which can compress your Log files suitably for posting to the forums.
Mobile Development Team Lead
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Thank you for the proposal. Here is the log archive. I just dragged it into this field.
file:///Users/metoo/Desktop/LogosLogs%20Me%20Too%2020101229-001907.gz
Not sure this is the right thing to do, so I also use the join function:
7345.LogosLogs Me Too 20101229-001907.gz
Hope this will help.
Y. Goldman
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That's exactly what I needed.
It looks like your library finished indexing at 21:56:31 your time. I can also see that your indexes had never fully finished so that would explain why you got no hits.
I wonder if you restarted L4 and tried to run a Basic search now for Peace in your Entire Library and see if you get hits. Similarly, if you try John Fidel's suggestion for searching original languages, you'll probably get hits now too.
Mobile Development Team Lead
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Thank you for your message. Yes, the problem you raise is not solved, i.e.: why was the indexing never finished?
The one you mention was the last indexing initiated by your technician, which took roughly around 2 hours yesterday night. The first indexing had been given the whole night and was normally finisghed.
The basic search for peace was done without any problem, but this is not my main interest in Logos 4 "Original Language" package. I still do not get any result when entering Hebrew or Greek words searched in the Bible or Morph sections.
Anyway thank you very much for the try.
Sincerely,
Y. Goldman
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Patrick,
From all I can see you have been extremely patient throughout this process and for that I would like to say thank you. Should you desire not to continue trouble shooting I would certainly understand, and I'm assuming that the help you have received thus far has gone over the "obvious" stuff so feel free to brush past my comment if you desire.
However I am curious as to what happens when your right click on a word in the ESV (or any interlinear translation or morphed Greek, Hebrew Text), selected the Lemma on the RIGHT and the Morph Search on the Left. I did this and initially got no results. Then I realized my range defaulted to my last search range (hate it, if I select from the right click menu, I want a search of the entire resource). For some reason every time I do a new search Judges is set to the range, then I change it to what I actually want and the next time I do a search Judges is usually selected. also, be sure the proper morphology is selected.
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Dear Philip,
Thank you for the informations. I finally decided to erase entirely the software and asked for a refund. But I did not want to leave you without thanks for helping. This software showed to be much too complex for a man like me not willing to enter in subtle processes to search the Bible. The things escaped out my hands any time I searched for something. Though it is a little bit more austere and less rich in access to the English tools in particular, I am rather happy with Accordance finally.
All best wishes to you in the study of the Word of God..
Yohanan
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Patrick Goldman said:
Dear Philip,
Thank you for the informations. I finally decided to erase entirely the software and asked for a refund. But I did not want to leave you without thanks for helping. This software showed to be much too complex for a man like me not willing to enter in subtle processes to search the Bible. The things escaped out my hands any time I searched for something. Though it is a little bit more austere and less rich in access to the English tools in particular, I am rather happy with Accordance finally.
All best wishes to you in the study of the Word of God..
Yohanan
What matters is not the funnel that's used, but the substance being funneled and the object being funneled into. May God richly bless your future studies.
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Hmm...interesting post.
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Rene Atchley said:
Hmm...interesting post.
But let me add...everyone should give the Logos funnel a decent try :-)
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Philip,
I do agree about the quality of what we learn in the Word of God and thank you for the blessings.
Regarding the "decent try" one "SHOULD" give to Logos:
1. I hope mine was one, with the help of people on the forum and a technician of Logos directly on my machine, with no result. This rich software has not been primarily written for the Mac, which could explain the technical difficulties I met with.
2. Being an old Mac user I confess that I might be a "spoiled child" of Apple's clarity not willing to loose too much time unraveling the complexities of a program. On Mac and its software in general things tend to be smooth and easy, “user friendly” (25 years of experience here). But I am not a sectarian…
Blessings to you all.
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Philip Spitzer said:
But let me add...everyone should give the Logos funnel a decent try :-)
Oops was gonna ask about the payment plan, I read it as: "everyone should give the Logos funeral a decent try :-)"
problem is its a one shot deal...[:$]
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Patrick Goldman said:
On Mac and its software in general things tend to be smooth and easy, “user friendly” (25 years of experience here).
Don't forget Fast, Stable and Usable. I wonder if I could get a refund on everything I've purchased to work with Logos 4 since upgrading to it over a year ago?
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Dennis Miller said:Patrick Goldman said:
On Mac and its software in general things tend to be smooth and easy, “user friendly” (25 years of experience here).
Don't forget Fast, Stable and Usable. I wonder if I could get a refund on everything I've purchased to work with Logos 4 since upgrading to it over a year ago?
I just made the switch to the other "built from the ground up" Mac software and am delighted. The gave me a great deal, but I still could only afford original language tools and some resources. Plan to invest more in the coming year. I am however very sad that I have to lay out $$$ for stuff that I already have in Logos [;)]. I like you Dennis am wondering if I can get a "full" refund of all the resources that I have purchased over the last year or so. I began with Logo4 on Windows shortly after it release and was appalled to find out that basic functions didn't work. Yet I stuck with it. So when I switched to a Mac around the same time Logos 4 Mac released a couple months back. I thought, I guess I can live without the features once again. But never did I expect the software to be so soooo slow. Anyway... I think I am going to contact Logos and ask for a refund so that I can go buy all the other resources I need on the other software.
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Philip Spitzer said:
But let me add...everyone should give the Logos funnel a decent try :-)
I appreciate your heart Phillip and want you to know that I gave Logos the last year and change. Yet when I switched to Logos4 Mac a couple months ago, I quickly realized that the performance concerns were great enough that it was affecting my work flow and therefore adversely affecting my sermon prep. So that's why I finally threw up the white flag and declared defeat yesterday and switched.
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What I would like to know from the developers is this:
1) Do you think it is ethically wrong to release a product that is not complete, is not optimised and quite frankly fool people into buying it when you know full well that it is riddled with bugs?
2) Do you think it is fair that people are paying you hundreds and hundreds of dollars for an unfinished beta product that we are effectively testers for?
3) Will you offer mac users any sort of discounts/compensation for the problems they have had over the past few months (or at least since the "Gold" release)?
I bought your product over a year ago. Initially I bought Logos 3 and was told that there was a mac version. The very next day Logos 4 came out and I was upgraded. Of course that is when all the problems started. I have never spent so much time on a companies website forum looking for ways to tweak software, increase spec etc.. etc... Having spent so much money on this product I am still extremely frustrated and angry that a Christian organisation can quite happily take your money and provide a sub standard, unfinished product. Your sales staff are also extremely happy to take my money and process my payment as soon as I send them an email. Again I find this pushy and unnecessary.
I am getting a little fed up of waiting for the Mac version to be complete because I can see the "potential" of the product. You need to sort this software out once and for all and stop treating us a testers.
Daniel
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Daniel Arnott said:
What I would like to know from the developers is this
You're asking the wrong people. The developers don't make these kinds of decisions. They're just employees following orders. Would you like to be blamed for your boss' decisions? I suggest a mail to bob at logos dot com. He's the one that does do these decisions.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Daniel,
I'm sorry you are frustrated by the Mac release.
In the forums (and on our blog) you'll find long, detailed explanations of why we chose to release Logos 4 (for both Windows and Mac) when we did. You'll also find, on our web site and everywhere we discussed the products, clear and detailed explanations of the deficiencies of each release and our plans for when we'd fix them.
We also offer (and always have) an unconditional money-back guarantee.
To save you the research, though, I'll re-summarize quickly: We had more work we wanted to do on both products, but felt they were already easier to use and more powerful than the existing products we were then shipping, so we A) released them with full disclosure of the limitations, and a promise to continually upgrade them at no cost (which we have done, repeatedly),
we ensured that the existing products could run side-by-side, so no one was forced to upgrade to the new products before they felt they were ready, and no one was deprived of previously available features, and C) we continued to maintain our money-back guarantee.(We have also stated clearly that we're designing for the future, not the past, and that the software requires a very recent machine to perform well. It's frustrating to read reviewers who say "it performs poorly on my Mac, which is only a few years old..." While it's not the choice every company makes, we do choose to implement power hungry features, anticipating that our platform will have a 5-8 year life, and knowing computing power doubles every 18 months. We believe it's a long-term benefit for the users, who appreciate that functionality. It just makes us not the right solution for the person with the 4 year old machine the first year we ship a new platform.)
The Windows version of Logos 4 is in excellent shape, has received (and is still receiving) performance improvements, now has "better than before" implementations of most "missing featuress" (printing, exporting, sentence diagramming, etc.).
The Mac version was behind -- fully disclosed a year ago -- but has just about caught up on feature parity, which users told us was the top priority. We are finishing the release of 4.2a on both platforms (it's in beta now), which delivers most of the parity and even some key optimizations. Now that we have gotten there, we are (as promised, and as planned) beginning an optimization phase to tune performance on the Mac.
1) is it ethically wrong? No, I don't believe so, for the reasons above. We've been up-front about the situation all along the way, and we aren't taking (or keeping) the money of any unsatisfied customers. I think it's inaccurate to says we "fool[ed]people into buying it."
2) Is it fair people pay hundreds and hundreds...? Yes. It's a voluntary transaction, with all the relevant details disclosed in advance, and you can un-do the transaction at your option. What's more fair than that?
3) Will we offer discounts/compensation, etc.? Sure. Email me at bob@logos.com with what you think is appropriate and we'll come to an agreement. I don't want any unhappy customers, and I can't sleep at night knowing you feel cheated. (I'm not being facetious -- my personal well-being really is tied to knowing that our customers are satisfied. Obviously I can't bend time -- if making you happy requires a perfect Mac product by 11 pm, I can't do that. But I can make sure I'm not holding your money if you aren't at least satisfied with what you have, or with our plan to get something better to you as soon as we can.)
In defense of the developers: It's not their fault. It's all my fault.
My developers are in a constant state of frustration as I push them to ship things before they are perfect. We need each other; they push for a perfect, bug-free, performant product, and I push for something to ship so they can be paid and feed their families.
I can assure you it's all my fault. I can also assure you that if we held to the standard requested, Logos 4 still wouldn't have shipped. Nor would it be shipping soon, because even though we're now just catching up to what some users consider "the minimum product we should have shipped," we're doing that with the much larger team and resources that shipping 14 months ago afforded us. If we'd held out for a "perfect product," I can guarantee that by now we would not have hired the 60+ people who've joined us since Logos 4 shipped and we would most likely have laid off part of our company, resulting in poorer service, slower development, low morale, and a possible exodus of key talent.
I hope this doesn't come across too harshly; your criticisms and frustrations are valid, and I take responsibility for not delivering what you wanted. (And I apologize if we failed to communicate the state of things clearly enough.) I hope you'll appreciate, though, my explanation. It's not intended as an excuse, but rather as a way to let you see some of the complicated choices we have to make, and why companies sometimes do things that seem like bad choices to us consumers on the outside.
(I, for example, wonder why they keep shipping tiny changes to a car each model year instead of buckling down and delivering the flying car users want. :-) Or at least (more reasonably), the electric car with gasoline-powered range and performance that charges in ten minutes and costs less. But I'm guessing it's a similar answer: they'd go out of business without those "new chrome, new radio!" model year changes during the 10+ years it will take to deliver the car I really want. And those intermediate releases may waste time and make it 11 years to get what I want, but the extra year is better than the car company going out of business.)
Thanks for your patience,
-- Bob
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Hi Bob
Firstly...thanks
I do appreciate you taking the time to respond. I am a "believer" in the product and thanks to your explanation can understand better the issues you have to weigh up each day. My frustration is really because I can see the potential and just want to use it!! It promises so much but rarely delivers a smooth ride. I look forward to the upcoming optimization developments.
I will consider your offer and email you in due course. I am not looking for a refund as your product, I believe will be the best in the market.
I'm glad you have heard my concerns. To do something positive about it, I will make sure that you and the team are in my prayers over the coming months.
Thanks
Daniel
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Likewise Thankful for Bob's comments and insights [H] Also praying for Logos, including user community while always rejoicing in Logos - God's Words.
Daniel Arnott said:... It promises so much but rarely delivers a smooth ride. ...
Smooth depends on usage pattern(s) and computer hardware - for smoother responses, currently chose to limit use of some Logos 4 features (e.g. custom guides, amount of visual filters, notes, etc) - picked up tips from this forum and Logos blog => http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/02/logos_4_collapse_sections_in_guides.html
At Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in few days, anticipating Intel Sandy Bridge processor availability - not know Apple refresh plans - currently Mac Book Air only model refreshed since July 2010 => http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ (reading rumors about several refreshes this year).
Personally dreaming of 27" iMac with 3.4 GHz Quad Core i7 (at least 21 % faster) along with substantially faster disk upgrade possibilities: e.g. RAID 0 stripe set with 3 SSD's -OR- 2 SSD's plus e-SATA connected large external storage plus faster graphics for noticeably snappier Logos 4 performance, knowing some Logos 4 actions will still not be instantaneous - e.g. indexing entire library.
Observation: SSD RAID 0 benchmarks using 2010 iMac => http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnkey/iMac_2010_27/benchmarks/
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Hi Bob,
Said elsewhere that I am praying for you and the folks at Logos. I am sure it is a difficult time for all of you. Just for the record two quick points.
Bob Pritchett said:...released them with full disclosure of the limitations, and a promise to continually upgrade them at no cost (which we have done, repeatedly)
(1.) When I first purchased Logos 4, I had no clue that it had limitations. I never visited the forums until such time that I realized after my purchase there was what i deemed core functionality missing. I have lived in the forums ever since.
Bob Pritchett said:...it's frustrating to read reviewers who say "it performs poorly on my Mac, which is only a few years old..." While it's not the choice every company makes, we do choose to implement power hungry features, anticipating that our platform will have a 5-8 year life, and knowing computing power doubles every 18 months. We believe it's a long-term benefit for the users, who appreciate that functionality. It just makes us not the right solution for the person with the 4 year old machine the first year we ship a new platform
(2.) Here is my frustration (no need to respond, you have explained in detail the choices that were made, just wanted you to know), my iMac is only a few months old and has 16G of RAM and 3.2 GHz Core i3. Makes me fairly certain it's the software and not my tired old Mac.
Blessings,
Ray
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Ray D said:
(1.) When I first purchased Logos 4, I had no clue that it had limitations. I never visited the forums until such time that I realized after my purchase there was what i deemed core functionality missing. I have lived in the forums ever since.
Apologies - before upgrading a year ago, knew Logos 4 Mac was in Alpha development from information on Logos web sites (main web site, blogs and forums) along with email. Personally hesitated some before upgrading to Logos 4 Mac and getting involved with Alpha and Beta testing (known limitations with published strategy and direction). Thankful for Logos forum discussions, Wiki learning, and Logos 4 on Mac & PC (use both - prefer Mac).
Ray D said:(2.) Here is my frustration (no need to respond, you have explained in detail the choices that were made, just wanted you to know), my iMac is only a few months old and has 16G of RAM and 3.2 GHz Core i3. Makes me fairly certain it's the software and not my tired old Mac.
Understand frustration, 3.2 GHz Core i3 iMac is noticeably faster than Logos 4 Mac recommended system requirements => http://www.logos.com/mac/support/systemrequirements
Dreaming: wish Logos 4 system requirements included a comment like: " Logos 4 is a resource intensive application on Mac & PC – benefits from fast processor, graphics, and disk along with adequate memory (i.e. newer hardware since Logos 4 was designed for many years of use)."
Technical observation: Apple Insider's review of 2010 iMac's has some performance benchmarks => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/08/05/review_apples_core_i3_i5i7_imacs_mid_2010.html&page=3
Noticed while overall faster, for integer calculations 3.2 GHz Core i3 is 4 % slower than 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo.
Barefeats also compared 2010 iMacs => http://www.barefeats.com/imac10v.html Intel Core i7 substantially faster while marginally costing more.
During Logos 4 Mac alpha testing, experienced power hungry features (e.g. remember my library taking over 5 hours to index - now 50 % less time). Personally like 27" iMac screen resolution (2560 horizontal x 1440 vertical). Before purchasing 27" iMac after several months of Alpha releases, researched performance difference between processors (looking for best value per $), learned Quad Core i7 desktop CPU offered best value per $.
Keep Smiling [:)] + Happy New Year [*]
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For what it's worth, I'm running on an i7, 2.66GHz quad-core 17" Macbook Pro with 8GB RAM - hardly a slouch of a machine.
Apart from Logos, every other app I have runs exceptionally fast, responding almost instantaneously, scrolling very smoothly and feels snappy.
Logos, by comparison, takes 2-3 seconds to show drop-down menus for layout, file, etc. and trying to edit visual filters is an extreme exercise in patience - as I've documented elsewhere. I, too, have invested many, many hours in documenting bugs, posting logs, etc and am disappointed by where things are at today. I, too, see the potential and think that, from a potential perspective, Logos is superb. But from a usability perspective (10-15 second delays when adding highlighting to one word, watching the red "delete X"s flash in sequence as I hover my mouse over items in a visual filter, etc) - from a usability perspective I'm losing hope that Logos for Mac will ever get fixed. As I mentioned this morning, a morph search takes 0.34 seconds to complete, as reported by Logos, but then after 3 minutes I have to force-quit Logos because the search results window still hasn't updated and Logos is completely hung, gdb is merrily hung debugging who knows what in the background, etc).
I apologize in advance for "dumping" on the forum, but I am increasing frustrated when Logos simply crashes and disappears from under me as I try to get work done, or hangs in the middle of a search, breaking my train of thought when I'm trying to study, etc.
I'm frustrated because there is so much promise, and yet due to usability issues (mostly performance of displaying search results, problems with notes - which are legendary, random crashes, etc) seem to persist. New betas break things that were previously working (making me wonder about internal testing, automated regression testing?, etc)... A longing fulfilled is sweet to the soul but hope deferred makes the heart sick.... that perhaps best sums up my current feeling - the potential is tantalizing but each time I spend more than 20 or 30 minutes with Logos I usually end up frustrated.
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Stuart Robertson said:
each time I spend more than 20 or 30 minutes with Logos I usually end up frustrated.
I know that you have posted details of your problems and logs in other threads. I just wanted to say that according to what Bob P said earlier in this thread, optimization should begin very soon.
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Bob Pritchett said:
I'm sorry you are frustrated by the Mac release.
Thank you for detailed explanation, while it can be frustrating at times with the bugs, I want to say once again I am happy despite limitations in the program. botth mac and iOS I am generally happy, and look forward to the improvements that will be happening over the next months. I doubt the iOS will ever be all i want but I know Logos is looking to make it the best APP they can. And I thank you.
-dan
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Bob and Friends,
Maybe something is wrong with me. I am thrilled with Logos4 for Mac and rarely have any problems or issues.
Perhaps I am not the technical power user that some of your customers are. However, as a pastor who is committed to faithful biblical preaching and teaching, i spend 20-25 hours a week using Logos for sermon preparation, additional study, and personal devotions. Logos4 for Mac has met everyone of my research needs. The quality and depth of my teaching and preaching has been noticeable.
I have invested significant funds ($2K+) in Logos. I debated at length whether to buy the 2010 Christmas offer, but chose not to do so. If the offer is made at Easter, I may well make the plunge.
Finally, I knew what I was getting into when I purchased the Logos4 for Mac upgrade. There were no secrets and no hidden language. I have yet to purchase a perfect product of any type from any company. I will soon be buying another car. I know it will be imperfect and not have everything I want, but, as Paul writes and I slightly edit, "I am learning to be content in all things."
Bob, thank you for a great product and your visible and personal leadership tending to complaints and concerns along the way. My Father started his own small business, it took years to build and to make it financially viable. I know of his sleepless nights. Please rest well tonight. You and Logos have been good and faithful servants.
Blessings and peace,
Rus Howard
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Bob,
I can understand Daniel's frustration. Having attended to Logos Bible software or seminars through Morris Proctor I have seen how many Mac users use this product. I have seen the dual-boot people who have been so patient with all the updates. I know when I purchased my first Macintosh this year, a MacBook Pro Intel dual core I knew that it would be sufficient to run the Logos Mac product. You are right. After reading many forums I knew that the gap between the PC version and the Mac version was not quite there yet. Because I am a dual platform user I have double expectations. I'm excited to see the personal book builder on my PC in the version 4 as well as seeing the Mac version close the gap on how much the new Logos 4 version for the PC will eventually even out. I was so excited to use a Macintosh for the first time and that is why free of charge I was able to use Logos on my Macintosh. Maybe because I am a new Macintosh user I don't see the problems but anyone on earlier versions of hardware in the Macintosh platform may feel frustrated. I do know that I had a netbook that ran Logos 4 fairly slow so I bumped back to Logos 3 on that netbook. I know after multiple break-ins at the Mac lab and your massive team of Mac developers that Logos is doing everything they can to meet customers high demand. I know you guys are good at what you do and am confident that this Mac platform will do all you say it will. God speed!
Happy new year,
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You are new to Macs. That is why you don't understand long-term Mac Users' expectations.
Windows sufferers have been happily using mediocre and inferior software for years—and bragging about how much more software was available for the Windows platform. They were right, there was a lot more software, but not a lot of it was very intuitive. There have been few restrictions which means there are few standards.
Windows users were used to thick manuals. Mac Users were used to software that you started up and just used. We tend to be less patient with non-standard approaches. For years, Logos was dismissive of the Mac market. I know, I talked to the sales people years ago. There was a marketing decision to begin to sell to the Mac side because the world is changing. But what works on the Windows side is not an automatic success on the Mac side.
Logos will survive. But they are taking some hard hits. They have many books, that is the selling point. That is why I use Logos. Is it my favorite Mac program? Not by a long shot. But it is working.
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'Phil Mills said:Windows sufferers have been happily using mediocre and inferior software for years—and bragging about how much more software was available for the Windows platform. They were right, there was a lot more software, but not a lot of it was very intuitive.
I've used both Macs and Win boxes and you may feel that this is the case...but your not correct.
Both platforms have their idiosyncracies... both need to be learned and gotten used to...
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
I see both your points and I am somewhere midway of both of you.
I've used over the years CP/M, DOS, Windows, Unix, Linux (command line and desktop) and Mac.
- To say that there are not many good Windows applications is silly and somewhat offensive to honest dedicated programmers — of course there are.
- To say that Windows — which was a 'troubled child' from birth (there is no need to go into it, read any tech history site) — is good is, in my opinion (feel free to flame me I don't care), equally silly. Windows 7 is OK — should be after Microsoft has taken so much from Apple.
- Is Mac OS X the best, and most robust, user experience OS around — yes, a no brainer. Anyone who says otherwise is blind and/or stuck in Windows purgatory. Naturally I respect people's decision to use/stay with Windows. Doesn't mean that I won't feel sorry for them.
- Is the Apple systems environment complete — no. Apple does not have anywhere near the breadth and depth of system applications that Microsoft and other suppliers have.
- Is Mac OS X perfect — no. I reserve that for my Lord.
- Is it a good goal to be able to have the Logos 4 Mac platform utilise as much as possible of the Windows app. platform — yes. In economies of scale it is clearly of benefit to us as users of the software to have a provider who can sell to both Windows and Mac users — with the same application at the same time.
- Is Logos taking some hits over Logos 4 Mac — well obviously seems to be the case. They have some work to do — unfortunately for them the user group involved are Mac users who set a pretty high bar because of their existing experience and attitude from using OS X and Mac applications. We tend to look at Windows users as those 'poor cousins'. Not saying this is necessarily always 100% right...
- Is Logos 4 Mac as good as it could be — not yet. I trust there can be improvements to make it more 'snappy', because it is behind the major competition on the Mac in this area (BTW — personally I don't really like the denigrating tone of some of the marketing material of that company)
- Is Logos a good application — well it's helped me and I'm still investing in it.
For me here's the point — Logos is a tool to help me understand God's message to me and humanity. It is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
I trust that our friends in Logos:
- are driven by more than just a simple profit motive, so that they have a desire to see their creation improve
- have capable enough people, so they can technically achieve that goal and,
- hopefully they won't be hampered by the technical decisions they have made to use one core platform for the Logos 4 application.
I say — leave 'em to it, lock these [....] postings, and link anyone who complains in future to these postings and lock the new posting unless the person is bringing up a new and relevant point.
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
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