Coloring different Pentateuchal sources via Visual Filters

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:08 PM

In AFAT syntax searches, it is possible to restrict searches to a particular pentateuchal source --J, E, D, P, Lay etc. (or what AFAT designates as belonging to that source). Is it possible to create a visual filter that will put the different sources into different colors? This would be helpful for students to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the documentary hypothesis for a particular passage. In a similar vein, is it possible to create a visual filter in Luke for the presumed Markan source material, and for the presumed Q material? I have various harmonies in Logos, so if it can be done for this, it could also be done for Samuel/Kings/Chronicles etc. I would be happy for the visual filter to work either in English or in the original languages.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:20 PM

Tim Finlay:
Is it possible to create a visual filter that will put the different sources into different colors?

Look near the bottom of this page and see if it gives you what you want: http://wiki.logos.com/Visual_Filter

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:29 PM

Thanks again, fgh. That answers my main question perfectly. Any clues on whether the other problems I mentioned are soluble?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 5:55 PM

Not my area of expertise, I'm afraid. I just happened to know the filter was there. I tried one thing I thought might work, but it didn't, so you'll have to wait for someone else. Or look around the Wiki and the forums yourself in the mean time. It's Sunday, so most people, being pastors, will be taking care of their flock, or resting after having taken care of their flock, but I'm sure you'll get some answers later.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 6:34 PM

Closest I could find is likely textual additions in the UBS4 apparatus. That's not the theoretical Markian and Q relationships, though.


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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 6:44 PM

Tim Finlay:
In a similar vein, is it possible to create a visual filter in Luke for the presumed Markan source material, and for the presumed Q material?

Wiki has Using Passage List to limit Visual Filters so could build a passage list of verses for filtering.  For example, New Testament Introduction has "The contents of Q" logosres:ntintro;ref=Page.p_167;off=291 however, ideal search is wildcard (*) that currently is too slow to be usable. Option: could use Morph Search for all word forms, which would highlight all original language words.  If use Logos Greek Morphology, visual filter(s) could be used in English Reverse Interlinear Bibles (albeit with gaps since only one English word is highlighted for a Greek Morph Search).

By the way, "Semeia 55 issue focuses on: Early Christianity, Q, and Jesus" logosres:semeia55;art=div2

Forum How can a create a vocabulary list by frequence of a new testament book? has Morph Search example for all word forms.

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 9:29 PM

I have got the filter working for all the <EissfeldtHexateuch = ????> possibilities including Mowinckel's sources A, B, and C which is very helpful because I teach a course on Jermiah occasionally. Do you know what the code is to access what AFAT calls the Text Types: Narrative, Genealogy, Accusation etc.? I tried <TextType = Narrative> but it does not seem to work. (unless there is some other reason why I can't get my visual filter to display in my AFAT bible.

You have already helped me significantly. This would be a bonus.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 10:20 PM

Tim Finlay:
Do you know what the code is to access what AFAT calls the Text Types: Narrative, Genealogy, Accusation etc.?

Wiki page Extended Tips for Visual Filters has examples using AndersonForbesGenre =

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 17 2011 11:24 PM

Thank you, Keep Smiling. I tried it and it works.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 18 2011 5:11 PM

Tim Finlay:
In AFAT syntax searches, it is possible to restrict searches to a particular pentateuchal source --J, E, D, P, Lay etc. (or what AFAT designates as belonging to that source).

I believe I have now figured out how to easily do a 'normal' search in AFAT within one source only, but I don't think that method works in syntax. The slower method I came up with before I fell asleep yesterday looks like it might work, though. Disclaimer: I haven't really started to look at Syntax searches yet, so I might not know what I'm talking about, but here it is:

1) Take one of those < ...> strings and use it in an ordinary Search panel. 

2) Create a Passage List of the search results.

3) Select that Passage List to be searched in Syntax Search.

Obviously the PL will include the full verses, so if there are any instances where the source changes in the middle of the verse, you will have to check you results for that.

Let me know if it works. If it does, I'm going to feel very proud of myself. Big Smile

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 18 2011 5:22 PM

Tim Finlay:
In AFAT syntax searches, it is possible to restrict searches to a particular pentateuchal source

The pentateuchal sources are specified at segment level, so if you include a segment in your search, you'll be able to specify the source.

You can only do this for pentateuchal soruces, because the other sources are not tagged (though you can use something similar to fgh's method as a workaround).

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 19 2011 7:50 AM

Very innovative workaround--thanks. I will indeed try this at some point and let you know how it works but you yourself note a major difficulty: passage lists use full verses and much of source criticism--whether of the Hexateuch, Jeremiah, or the Gospels--frequently has individual verses divided among sources.

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 19 2011 8:04 AM

Mark, I want to thank you for the wonderful tutorial videos you put out. I only bought Logos this year and your videos have helped me enormously. Diolch! (My father grew up in the Rhondda valley).

Do you plan to do one on morphological or syntactical searching soon? I teach Hebrew and it took me ages to find the information on how to do searches for all Pe-nun verbs, Hollow verbs, Geminate verbs etc. If there had been a video on that, it would have been helpful to me. And I have still a lot to learn about Hebrew syntax searches.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 26 2011 12:21 PM

Tim, never had time to get back to you.

Tim Finlay:
you yourself note a major difficulty: passage lists use full verses and much of source criticism--whether of the Hexateuch, Jeremiah, or the Gospels--frequently has individual verses divided among sources.

Sorry, not having looked much at source criticism I didn't realize verses were divided "frequently".

Tim Finlay:
In a similar vein, is it possible to create a visual filter in Luke for the presumed Markan source material, and for the presumed Q material?

Have you seen this thread, which turned up shortly after yours?

 

 

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