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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Aug 9 2011 7:46 PM

I'm not a avid forum watcher although I check the threads everyday and read a bit. Like you I have waited a long time for PBB capabilities and was so exited to update tonight to get that capability. However, I just realized that the MANY PBB's I had in L3 are no good to me without MEGA hours of painstaking work to convert and format. With L3 I had an update application with StillTruth that downloaded hundreds of books and kept them all up to date. One click and voila, they were there. I feel like I've been given a new Mercedes without the keys!

Can anyone help me?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 8:04 PM

This really depends on the original contributors being able to make the conversion and either distributing the docx files (via StillTruth?) or the resources (Logos?). If truly Public Domain distributing docx files to compile is OK. See following:

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 8:05 PM

The good news is that they don't work because the format is better! They now work just like Logos books.

And they can be created from the same base text that the L3 PBBs were made from. So it should just be a matter of time and effort before the StillTruth PBBs are remade. We just need to get the original files that they were made from. 

And then they will work better than the L3 PBBs ever did with full searching, indexing, and markup capabilities. 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 8:06 PM

Yeah the new PBB is more and it is less. Functionality is potentially greatly improved and it is free, but as you discovered, no easy conversions.

At some point Logos intends to allow sharing of PBBs, so you can get what others have done at that point.

For creating your own the best guidance is on the wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books

Simple books can be created with minimal fuss using styles in MS Word 2007 and above.

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 8:13 PM

Encouraging replies! I appreciate it! I'll guess I'll try my hand at a small book and HOPE that others will convert big files and share them! :)

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 9:33 PM

Shawn Drewett:
I feel like I've been given a new Mercedes without the keys!

It is more like being given the keys to a new Mercedes and requiring all of your passengers to bathe before they get to ride in your new car.

You can call it "converting" the old files if you want, but in reality, you will have to convert the source and then recompile. Not a lot different than starting from scratch.

Still,    

Whoopie!    

Thank you Logos. This is a very important leap.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 9:42 PM

I didn't do the beta nor the older Libronix PPB.

But just looking at the wiki and the simple PPB help file, it looks to me like it could be automated pretty easily. Most of my books are in Laridian's book builder that's essentially html, so it's a simple process to import them into Word and then add some of the Logos PPB features.

For me, that'll bring in my 30-40 thousand notes, several gigabytes of syntactical pattern matching, etc. Even Jefferson's 1811 and 1819 'Bibles'. Plus I have 30-40 custom parsers already, to convert text/PDFs to tagged html.

I guess this might work. If so, it could really move Logos4 up a solid notch for analyzing the text.

 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 12:23 AM

Denise Barnhart:
Plus I have 30-40 custom parsers already, to convert text/PDFs to tagged html.

Wow, that sounds really promising Denise.

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 5:40 AM

Super Tramp:

It is more like being given the keys to a new Mercedes and requiring all of your passengers to bathe before they get to ride in your new car.

Like the analogy! Lol!

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 6:34 AM

Shawn Drewett:
I had an update application with StillTruth that downloaded hundreds of books and kept them all up to date. One click and voila, they were there.

Shawn, others have dealt with the other issues.  So all that remains is Stilltruth's role.  And I'm not sure what it is right now.  

I really want to spend some time redesigning the site.  

I really need to spend some time fixing database corruption.

I already have spent some time working with the original builders.  One of my goals is to get the source files coupled up with their respective posts so that both L3 and L4 docx sources are available.  

Randy (The PBB Updater author) has already contacted me during the beta to plan for such an event - I put it on the backburner because as of yet there has been little movement - partly because I'm swamped - and partly because the original compilers are swamped.  And mostly because I'm not sure what and how much will be needed.  Randy's time is as valuable as mine and I don't want to send him on a multi week programming spree for something that won't be necessary.

Right now there are hopes and plans in place, but it won't be instant (and it won't be this week!)  I'm in need of a lull on my side so I can devote the time needed to re-engineer the site and get it ready for this next stage.  I've been wanting to do this for months but.... 

The wrench in the works is the planned distribution store for PBB's that Logos is building.  I have not been in on the in crowd with that one, so there is a large bit of reticence on my part to devote dozens or hundreds of hours on site rebuilding only to discover in the end that it was unnecessary because Logos did it better.

I know there will continue to be a use for Stilltruth's distribution of L3 PBB's and there will be a need for Public Domain L4 docx source files.  I just don't know how best to serve that need right now without doing needlessly repetitive work.

All I ask for is your patience.  All I can offer is my assurance that as soon as I see a clear path, I'll take it.

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 6:51 AM

Thomas, I have no PBB source left for v3, but if the sources exist am happy to try and write a converter.

if you or anyone has a source file or 2, maybe they could zip and send it to:

PB3-4-Project
{AT}
domisoft[dot]co[.]uk

might take me a few days tho..

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 9:22 AM

Thomas, thanks for your reply. I appreciate your willingness and concern and look forward to Stilltruth's sight being L4 PBB compatible!

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 10:45 AM

As a compiler of PBBs who donated to Stilltruth, I now have the following 3 books ready to be released for L4 when the time comes to do so:

  • Grace and Glory by Geerhardus Vos.
  • The Teaching of Jesus Concerning the Kingdom of God and the Church by Geerhardus Vos.
  • E.W. Hengstenberg's commentary on Ezekiel.

I am working on converting the other 40+. It is no small task, but the good news is that only retagging of certain Bible references is necessary in my case. Much of the work that went in to creating the L3 PBBs can be leveraged so that it will not take as long to finish the L4 versions as it did to create the L3 versions.

I, too, am waiting to see what Logos' distribution system will be for the compiled files that I have. Tom has contacted me about releasing the source files to the books I have created so others can compile them, but at this point I would rather distribute the compiled Logos-ready resources.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 12:17 PM

Thanks for your work Bill.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 1:03 PM

Thomas Black:
Shawn, others have dealt with the other issues.  So all that remains is Stilltruth's role.  And I'm not sure what it is right now.  

Why not have it serve as a depository for docx files which can then be compiled by the user?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 1:07 PM

George Somsel:

Thomas Black:
Shawn, others have dealt with the other issues.  So all that remains is Stilltruth's role.  And I'm not sure what it is right now.  

Why not have it serve as a depository for docx files which can then be compiled by the user?

That is doable but it would involve recompiling the file each time. Although it is done only once by the user, in the grand scheme of things it is done thousands of times versus once. The wasted man-hours is so unnecessary.

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 1:26 PM

George Somsel:

Thomas Black:
Shawn, others have dealt with the other issues.  So all that remains is Stilltruth's role.  And I'm not sure what it is right now.  

Why not have it serve as a depository for docx files which can then be compiled by the user?

I hear and agree George.  That will be the minimum.  I'm musing over things that go beyond that somehow.  As Matthew indicates - each one will have to be recompiled every time by every user.  IF that's what has to be than fine.  But I'm still pondering the options.

Plus, I need a bigger fire, the irons I keep shoving in there are threatening to put it out.  Wink

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 1:40 PM

Thomas Black:
Plus, I need a bigger fire, the irons I keep shoving in there are threatening to put it out.  Wink

The 99¢ Store where I go every week or two has a three-pack of lighters for 99¢.  Devil

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 6:32 PM

Thomas Black:
each one will have to be recompiled every time by every user.  IF that's what has to be than fine.

On second thought, I would rather re-compile them myself than pay $.99 each for them. Big Smile My computer has gotten used to indexing 15GB of resources every time another Pre-Pub ships (weekly?) Indifferent !   So what is a little PBB compiling gonna hurt?

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:36 PM

Super Tramp:
  On second thought, I would rather re-compile them myself than pay $.99 each for them.

Just compiled a Bible in 3 Minutes 15 seconds [your time will vary]  docx file size 2,252 kb   lbspbb file size 10,616 kb

[Next question: how many would you download at once? 1? three minutes - no problem!  100? 5.5 hours - Is that a problem?]

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