2 home desktop pc's and one laptop

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Larry Dickey | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2011 3:06 PM

I have the Logos 4 on 2 home desktop pc's, my Desktop PC and and my wife's desktop PC.

Can I load Logos 4 onto my one laptop pc too or do I have to pay for this?

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 3:15 PM

I know that this issue has been discussed a lot on the forum - but I don't know where.  I'm sure that someone will post links to these discussions.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 3:16 PM

The license is for a single person to use Logos on as many devices as they use. There is a thread with an explanation from the president of Logos saying that they don't mind fudging on wives as long as the wife if not a professional in her own right i.e. if you are both pastors Logos would expect 2 licenses. see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265


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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 3:19 PM

Here is a post by Bob Pritchett

Bob Pritchett Replied: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:14 PM

Arrgghhh! I hate this topic. :-)

We have lots of heated discussions about this internally. Every other week we get the desperate-to-be-legal-and-ethical user who calls to confirm that they can install the software on their desktop and notebook computer. The other weeks we hear about the every-loophole-finding user who wants to parse our latest statement on the EULA to let them install the software on every machine they see, and to charge people for the service.

I am not going to answer all your questions. Ever. I don't want to. I don't want a clean-cut policy, because it just annoys the honest user who has a legitimate situation while doing nothing to stop the person who justifies-to-themselves whatever behavior they want.

So what follow is still not "the final answer." It's a guide, similar to what I tell our CS people. (Who all wish I wouldn't give them discretion, but would instead make an easy-to-refer-to policy. :-) )

We license the software to one user.

If you are one user with 10 computers, because you run a Mac, Windows, notebook, netbook, desktop, church, home, and three flavors of Linux, I don't care. You're just one user, albeit with too many computers.

(People call up and say "how many computers can I put it on?" We don't care, if they're all YOUR computers. When we say "3", as we used to, for convenience, we'd get people who called with lengthy and unnecessary explanations for why they owned four computers. We'd also get people who would install it on the Pastor, Youth Pastor, and Sunday School Teacher's computers. And we'd say that was wrong, and they'd say "You said three computers for one owner, and the church is the owner, so it's legal to put it on three computers used by people who work at the church." I say, that's abusing the license.)

What about my spouse? What about my child?

Well, now it depends. Are you and your spouse "one user"? I know lots of people who have a single email address like JoeAndMary@somemail.com. They have one computer, one email address, one copy of Windows, (one car? one cell phone?) etc. To me, they're "one user." Same thing when little Joey uses the family computer.

But if we extend the license to "officially" allow family use, we get (actual) scenarios like: Joe and Mary are both ordained ministers who attend and preach at different churches on Sunday morning. Each has an office, their own computer, their own salary and budget, and even their own church secretary. This, to me, doesn't feel like "one user". This feels like two users.

We also get Pastor Joe who has a 22 year old son Joe, Jr. in seminary, or a 35 year old son who is a pastor across the country. We've had people tell us they don't need multiple licenses, because they're family members. But Pastor Joe and grown-up Joe, Jr. seem like two users to me.

What if the user is a church, not a person?

It's great if the church wants to buy the software so the pastor doesn't have to buy it with their own funds. But that doesn't mean everyone who works at or attends the church is a legal user of the software (as some have tried to argue). It's still for "one person user"; thay can be Pastor Joe, and if Pastor Joe leaves, you can have him uninstall it and let new Pastor Mark use it instead. But we don't do site or organization licenses -- we license to a (human) user, even if an institution is the purchaser.

In the future, our software will use more web resources. You will be able to log into these resources -- and your own content -- at Logos.com using an email address and password. Our interaction will be with this "one user" who logs in, and who has one username, one email address, one mailing address, one name, one credit card, and one password. One set of note files, prayer lists, and reading plans. "One user."

I hope this helps. For the record, this email is not a replacement of the EULA or a new policy. It's just how I think about it, and how I encourage our staff to think about it.

-- Bob


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Larry Dickey | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 3:42 PM

We are not ministry people, just use it for bible study and my desktop is upstairs, sometimes I like to study while they watch a TV show I don't want to watch,,, but I dont want to go up stairs.


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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 6:18 PM

Larry Dickey:
Can I load Logos 4 onto my one laptop pc too

Wiki has => Quick Installation onto multiple computers page that may be helpful.

Caveat: with Logos 4 installed on several computers (Mac and PC), have experienced some sync surprises (e.g. changing Library prioritization on one computer while Logos 4 Library prioritization was open on another).  Thankful named layouts sync across computers.  If sharing a library, then agreement is needed about many items in Logos 4: prioritization, collections, highlighting styles, visual filters, ... (Logos 4 was designed for one Library user at a time).

When switching computers, have learned to use close all command (or shortcut) OR close Logos 4 before leaving one computer.  Also learning to have open relevant resources for current study and use layouts when changing study focus; Logos 4 is more responsive with less open (and know how to quickly open other items as desired).  Personally using layout prefixes to identify computer for layout usage (e.g. 27: prefix for 27" iMac).

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 11 2011 6:27 PM

Larry Dickey:

Can I load Logos 4 onto my one laptop pc too?


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