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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 14 2012 9:11 PM

No, I didn't know that. I guess I'm just a veteran Logos user that misses the speed of L3.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 15 2012 7:55 AM

Super Tramp:

Shawn Drewett:
I'll continue to use L4 simply because I have to if I am going to access all my resources.

Did you know almost all resources produced up to Christmas 2011 will run on Libronix 3? It is FUTURE resources (the ones you don't own yet) that will be for Logos 4 only.

 

Shawn (and everyone else)

I am replying to my own post because it needs clarification and I can no longer edit the content. What I should have said is,

"Did you know almost all resources produced up to Christmas 2011 were released in both L3 and L4 formats?"

I did not mean to imply you can place a bunch of L4 files into your Libronix 3 Resources folder and they will work. I apologize for being so vague.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 3:18 AM

Otto S. Carroll:

Milford Charles Murray:
I want to assure you that many, many of us long-term (and I'm sure short-term, also) Logos users have complete and total trust in your honesty, your ethics, and your leadership at Logos Bible Software. It is remarkable besides that -- that you are so open and so often communicate with us about what is happening and what is going to happen.

YesYes from 15 year user!!!

Here is another 15 years user thankful Milford for his words. Yes

Bohuslav

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 5:38 AM

Shawn Drewett:

Bob Pritchett:
 

We write Logos 4 on Microsoft's announced new tech platform for Windows, which runs slower on existing machines

Wow, I wish L4 was built on a platform that worked on my PC like L3 does! Not trying to be facetious, but wouldn't it be a better idea to build for the majority of users instead of just those with cutting edge machines?

When I began working at my current job, it used a construction accounting software that followed that same philosophy.

It was terrible. At the time, they decided to have the system work on computers with only 256K of memory. That severely limited what the program could do. If you ran a report, you could scroll down a page, but could not scroll back up!

It kept the old customers happy that didn't want to upgrade their hardware. Most customers did like I did and moved to software that was designed for current hardware. Night and day difference!

Logos has chosen the reasonable direction.

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 6:12 AM

Jonathan:
It benefits Logos users for Logos to stay ahead of the technology, rather than behind it.

It sounds good in theory, and I agree with it, but Logos took a big gamble on WPF and unfortunately... Hey, you win some, you lose some. I am glad they are innovating.

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 6:21 AM

Here are my PC specs:

Pentium Dual Core CPU   T4400     2.2  GHZ

3 GB Ram

 

What tweaking can I possibly do to speed up Logos?

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 8:26 AM

Thank you, once again, for your response. I do believe I have stated I understand the cost of "doing business", and the expense involved in bringing such a huge and massive project to us. While it sounds very much like I am tearing Logos down, and to some degree, perhaps I have, understand, I do appreciate the system and the work that has been done, undertaken, and underway.
I also understand Logos is a business, not a ministry (which. I disagree with. I do believe it is both). And, there is nothing wrong with being a business. Nor do i believe there is anything wrong with being a business based in Christianity-- so long as fraud is not involved. There is frustration on my part. And that has come across very strongly. There is also what was intended to be a word of caution; which came across very strongly-- and without apology, but with explanation. In that Logos is a business in an area that is God's, not man's, treading carefully is a word to the wise.

Some frustrations I spoke of do actually involve the Perseus collection, and how Logos organizes the library. The Perseus collection (while awesome, and a huge thank you to you, Logos, and all involved is warranted) is indeed a massive collection, that heightens the problem. Perhaps this is my own ignorance on how to use L4 (which adds further to my frustration); but, as I am sure you are aware, this collection is not isolated, but pretty much individually mingled within our library; seems the only way to deal with this, is to hide the collection. The suggestion and hope here, is that Logos will be able to find a way to precategorize libraries, so collections can be condensed (ie, Perseus, commentaries that are in volumes, etc.) so there is only one title, then perhaps once opened, the individual volumes/titles. Much like how Windows categorizes music-- Artist, Album, songs. If there is a way for that to be done, so that it shows when we open our Library, I have not seen how to do this (and, honestly, it's much easier for us, if Logos does this).
I do know there are some tutorial videos; this is good, but, they seem extremely basic, and do not go into more detail. Unfortunately, I am unable to attend the MP seminars; and quite frankly, I do not see them as being good. That's my opinion, and I may be wrong, but, I just don't get it; and paying $200+ for the DVDs is just as problematic to me. After all, as one slogan says, "Bible software should not be difficult". And while there is a simplicity to Logos, there is a huge learning curve required if one wishes to make best use of the software.

Again, thank you for your response; the desire to run an open and upfront business, and great phone support (well, usually). Please take my comments with the intended spirit, as outlined above. Thank you for the great things Logos has to offer; and, hopefully the not so great things can be looked into-- although, as they say, "You cant please all the people all the time".

 

Bob Pritchett:

LegendsOfBatman:
The so-called "Home page" is not much more than an ad-campaign.

As mentioned, you can turn off this marketing very easily. You can even keep the Home Page features that use your library, and turn off the parts that come from Logos. It's the "Customize" button in the bottom left of the home page. 

LegendsOfBatman:
Rather than being a company that makes researching Scripture easier and more productive, the main goal is that of every secular company out there: find new ways to make more and more profit.

We're not a ministry, we're a business. Always have been, and always have been super-clear about that. 

With that said, there's a reason we're in this business, and we do care about equipping people to study the Bible. But since we don't pass an offering plate or solicit donations like a "ministry", we have to do things that people will pay for.

I'd argue it's even noble -- we're prioritizing things that are arguably the most important, importance being judged by the collective willingness of our Bible-studying-and-preaching users to pay for the product or feature!

(There are downsides to a profit orientation over a non-profit orientation, but the profit orientation has upsides, too: better accountability and direction of resources towards valued  output.)

But that wasn't even the point! The point was we stopped NEW book production for Libronix. My observation that Libronix users don't buy lots of stuff wasn't to indicate they're "less important to us", but rather that since as a class they don't buy much new stuff, stopping "new stuff" production in their format doesn't impact very many people.

LegendsOfBatman:
I do not believe Logos' intent is to make research more practical, but, rather to find copyright free materials, to sell at maximum prices.

Sigh. This is just silly. The vast, vast majority of what we publish is not copyright free. We have to license it, or create it at great expense. Most of the public domain stuff you think we crank out in volume actually goes out through Community Pricing, where we've designed a (unique in the world?) system that minimizes our profits while reducing your price!

Did you miss the Perseus Project release we did for free? PD content that we did much, much more processing work on than most of our PD content, and gave to all of you for free.

Have you noticed http://www.sblgnt.com/ ? That's the Greek NT we produced for free and give away, even to our competitors.

Seen http://lexhamenglishbible.com/ ? That's the new English translation we produced at our cost and give away for free.

How about http://biblestudymagazine.com/ ? http://evangelicalexegeticalcommentary.com/ ? http://lexhambibledictionary.com/ ? http://www.raysd.com/ ? The entire Lexham series? High Definition Commentary? Our syntax databases? etc.

All content we're paying to create and produce, and selling at very reasonable cost.

I'd really like to retire this "you just make money selling public domain content" canard. Not true.

(And I can't even tell you about the big one... yet...)

We do public domain stuff because people want it. It costs a lot to type, because old files can't be reliably scanned. We earn most of our revenue on copyrighted material, and we produce more and more of that at our own expense every day, and we keep pushing price points down year after year after year.

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 16 2012 7:10 PM

LegendsOfBatman:
"You cant please all the people all the time".

And they would be foolish to try.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 20 2012 1:43 PM

WOW.

Anybody seen that: http://blog.logos.com/2012/01/new-resources-for-logos-3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosBibleSoftwareBlog+%28Logos+Bible+Software+Blog%29 

I'm only here since less than a year, and learned to expect a lot from Logos in terms of customer focus, service and willingness to go much wider than just a mile with us (uncomparable to other companies I happen to know) - but I didn't expect this from Bob, much less after all the flak. 

Yes Yes Yes

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 20 2012 1:52 PM

NewbieMick:

WOW.

Anybody seen that: http://blog.logos.com/2012/01/new-resources-for-logos-3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosBibleSoftwareBlog+%28Logos+Bible+Software+Blog%29 

I'm only here since less than a year, and learned to expect a lot from Logos in terms of customer focus, service and willingness to go much wider than just a mile with us (uncomparable to other companies I happen to know) - but I didn't expect this from Bob, much less after all the flak. 

Yes Yes Yes

Thanks for posting this, NewbieMick!!!

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 2:03 PM

NewbieMick:

'WOW' is right.

I think Bob listens to the whiners too much.  This just cost him (Logos) a lot of money.  Some of that will come back on the rest of us, as we foot the bill for the whiners.

I respect Bob and his decision.  He's a better man than I am...that's not the group of folks to whom I would have catered.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 6:45 PM

Doc B:
I think Bob listens to the whiners too much.  This just cost him (Logos) a lot of money. 

I think you missed the point of the original timing upsetting people's plans to use purchase credits gained over Christmas period + orders for what then became L4 only resources. That was lost business (money) due to poor planning.

Doc B:
I respect Bob and his decision. 

I respect Bob for admitting the mistake and giving 2 months notice.

Dave
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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 6:58 PM

I too respect and thank Bob for making this right!

There are many customers that purchased the 2010 books for $2010 and other large deals over the December period. Its right they can access the Version 3 files as there had been no early warning or notice prior to purchase. My buying was less than $2000 but still no small amount for me. I welcome being able to download and archive off the L3 install programs, my license file and the resource files.

I expect any so-called wasted money will be less than any harm done if this had not had such an outcome. Again, thank you Bob!

I still want offline install and backup for Logos 4, but thats a battle for another day. I have not yet given up! One day Bob will see what his competitors are doing with offline, Notes and other aspects. We do not all love the Cloud, or not having out own content somewhere we own. I see today one of the companies are announcing their PC version of their application.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 21 2012 10:20 PM

Doc B:

'WOW' is right.

I think Bob listens to the whiners too much.

Hmm...are you, like...WHINING about those you consider whiners???

NO CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR YOU...you might just be perceived as a whiner.

I'm reminded of Dana Carvey's "Grumpy Old Man"...we should all expect lousy service AND LIKE IT!!

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Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 28 2012 4:20 PM

I read this post and all that comes to mind is... what if Christ were here corporally and read what was written. What would He say? Or, even more so, what about the seeker wanting to find the truth coming across this post. Would they recognize the Church or not?

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josé dos reis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 21 2013 9:42 AM

Peace dear, I'm speaking Portuguese in Brazil.
Am joseph kings, and not know if you've purchased your comment Expositors The Bible, I have, I can send you by imail, but will have to buy the key logos, since I only have to download: jdetranreis at gmail dot com 

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 21 2013 11:58 AM

josé dos reis:

Peace dear, I'm speaking Portuguese in Brazil.
Am joseph kings, and not know if you've purchased your comment Expositors The Bible, I have, I can send you by imail, but will have to buy the key logos, since I only have to download: (edited out by Milford Charles Murray -- in avoidance of spam bots!)

Welcome to the Logos Forums ..........                         HOWEVER!            Please note that you have posted to a very, very, very old thread which is likely to go no where!                              *smile*

                 I suggest you try again, choosing to post a new thread that's appropriate to what you want to communicate!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 21 2013 1:26 PM

Milford Charles Murray:
I suggest you try again, choosing to post a new thread that's appropriate to what you want to communicate!

And I would also say that the email address needs to be edited out of the post to prevent the spam bots from spamming.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 21 2013 1:29 PM

Good catch, Tom!               *smile*

             Post is NOW edited!              Double Good Catch, eh!   *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 21 2013 1:42 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

Good catch, Tom!               *smile*

Milford, can you edit your post too.  :-)

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