I am the Resurrection and the Life

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Uff da!  Another Lutheran resource from me.  While I do have plans for more, none are close to being done yet, so you will have time to dig out from this blizzard of books....

Anyway - I was wanting something a bit lighter than the Theological polemics I was digging through, and so took a book of Funeral Sermons from 1899 as a break project.  Like all sermon collections I have seen, quality varies.  In my opinion, the collection starts off a bit slow.  For starters I would recommend either #45 on page 277 (Faithfulness unto Death) or #33 on page 198 (To Live is Christ and to Die is Gain).

I treated this as a break - I did not chase down every bible quote for a link.  If there was a reference, I tried to make sure there was a link, but probably missed some.  I didn't do as much proof-reading as normally I try to do.  The text is from http://www.archive.org/details/iamresurrectionl01amer

Unfortunately there was a small hole in the manuscript on page 243/244.  For most of the text I was able to make an educated guess as to the full word.  My conjectured reading is enclosed by brackets [].  For a small portion I didn't have enough evidence to come up with a reading, and put [???] as the text.

I was shocked to find both Tobit and Sirach quoted in these sermons.  I certainly knew that we Lutherans used these books in the Old Country, and in German in this one, but was not aware of a Lutheran publisher publishing a Bible with those books in English, and yet there they are, quoted from King James Apocrypha....

SDG

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 27 2012 7:13 PM

Kenneth McGuire:
I was shocked to find both Tobit and Sirach quoted in these sermons.  I certainly knew that we Lutherans used these books in the Old Country, and in German in this one, but was not aware of a Lutheran publisher publishing a Bible with those books in English, and yet there they are, quoted from King James Apocrypha...

You were? Did you read the explanation of the editors as to why the Lutheran apocrypha (not identical with the Anglican apocrypha) was not included in the original Study Bible? They are due out this fall as a separate book.

Okay, the reason given for not including them originally was that seminaries had not prepared the Lutheran clergy for answering the laity's questions on them. The Lutheran version of the Revised Common Lectionary uses Sirach at least 5 times. http://simuliustusetpeccator.com/2011/11/22/sirach-and-the-lutheran-lectionary/

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 27 2012 7:36 PM

MJ - I'm a Lutheran who has picked Old Testament readings from the expanded collection because they fit the Gospel lesson much better than the narrow canon option.

I had heard that Concordia has never published a German bible without them and has never published an English bible with them...  I would expect that all the pastors contributing to this collection had German Luther Bibles with them.  The thing is where did they get the English.  Unfortunately (in my opinion) that is one thing we sacrificed in the 19th Century to get along with our neighbors.

And no Wisdom 3 references in a collection of Funeral sermons...  I mean, if you are going to go there, it is so obvious...

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 27 2012 7:58 PM

Kenneth McGuire:
I was shocked to find both Tobit and Sirach quoted in these sermons. I  (...)  was not aware of a Lutheran publisher publishing a Bible with those books in English

Well, then I guess you've shocked me in return. Smile Older Lutheran Bibles without the Apocrypha? In Sweden they were only taken out in 1917 (and are now returned). Part of the post-Enlightenment secularization: first went a number of feast days, then the sign of the cross, liturgical clothes and such things, and finally (when people had stopped reading the Bible and didn't care any more) the Apocrypha as well (they were among the most read and loved books, so taking them out earlier would hardly have worked even if someone had wanted to). Though I guess the 'assembly line' baptisms, where nurses lined up in the maternity ward corridor with a child or two each and the parents weren't even present may have come even later. -- Thankfully most of it has been reversed before or during my lifetime, but it still makes me shudder.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 27 2012 8:10 PM

Kenneth McGuire:
I had heard that Concordia has never published a German bible without them and has never published an English bible with them...

That's pretty much what I have heard as well. Unfortunately, my guides to all things Lutheran all used Finnish Bibles and hymnals.But I believe they included the apocrypha.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:52 AM

Kenneth McGuire:
Anyway - I was wanting something a bit lighter than the Theological polemics I was digging through, and so took a book of Funeral Sermons from 1899 as a break project.  Like all sermon collections I have seen, quality varies.  In my opinion, the collection starts off a bit slow.  For starters I would recommend either #45 on page 277 (Faithfulness unto Death) or #33 on page 198 (To Live is Christ and to Die is Gain).

Peace, Ken!         *smile*                              and ....                   .............Always Joy in the Lord!

          i continue to be extremely grateful for your many "sharings" with your Brothers and Sisters on these Logos Forums.  I just quickly perused this one and am quite excited by it!   *smile*

                         At my recommendation to our Church Council, my Pastor will receive in the next few days an adequate computer with an i5 chip so that Logos4 can run more strongly in his office.  I will be sharing this with him also!                  Again, Thank You!

                                   Also, MJ, (if you happen to read this!) thank you for the link!

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Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2012 8:11 AM

fgh:
Though I guess the 'assembly line' baptisms, where nurses lined up in the maternity ward corridor with a child or two each and the parents weren't even present may have come even later. -- Thankfully most of it has been reversed before or during my lifetime, but it still makes me shudder.

Rightfully so !  Baptism involves a commitment to raise the children in the teaching of the gospel.

 

 

 

 

BCP:
Presentation and Examination

of the Candidates

The Celebrant says

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When all have been presented the Celebrant asks the parents and

godparents

Will you be responsible for seeing that the child you present

is brought up in the Christian faith and life?

Parents and Godparents

I will, with God's help.

Celebrant

Will you by your prayers and witness help this child to grow

into the full stature of Christ?

Parents and Godparents

I will, with God's help.

In keeping with the recent uproar regarding the views of one of the Presidential candidates, the service continues

BCP:
Then the Celebrant asks the following questions of the candidates who

can speak for themselves, and of the parents and godparents who speak

on behalf of the infants and younger children

Question

 

 

BCP:

Do you renounce Satan and all the spiritual forces

of wickedness that rebel against God?

Answer

 

 

I renounce them.

Question

 

 

Do you renounce the evil powers of this world

which corrupt and destroy the creatures of God?

Answer

 

 

I renounce them.

Question

 

 

Do you renounce all sinful desires that draw you

from the love of God?

Answer

 

 

I renounce them.

Question

 

 

Do you turn to Jesus Christ and accept him as your

Savior?

Answer

 

 

I do.

Question

 

 

Do you put your whole trust in his grace and love?

Answer

 

 

I do.

Question

 

 

Do you promise to follow and obey him as your

Lord?

Answer

 

 

I do.

 

 

BCP:
The Candidate(s) for Holy Baptism will now be presented.

Adults and Older Children

The candidates who are able to answer for themselves are presented

individually by their Sponsors, as follows

Sponsor

 

 

I present N

. to receive the Sacrament of Baptism.

The Celebrant asks each candidate when presented

Do you desire to be baptized?

Candidate

 

 

I do.

Infants and Younger Children

Then the candidates who are unable to answer for themselves are presented

individually by their Parents and Godparents, as follows

Parents and Godparents

I present

N to receive the Sacrament of Baptism.

etc., etc.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2012 9:50 AM

EDIT: I can see this post as being seen to violate forum rules....blah

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2012 11:10 AM

George Somsel:

fgh:
Though I guess the 'assembly line' baptisms, where nurses lined up in the maternity ward corridor with a child or two each and the parents weren't even present may have come even later. -- Thankfully most of it has been reversed before or during my lifetime, but it still makes me shudder.

Rightfully so !  Baptism involves a commitment to raise the children in the teaching of the gospel.

At the risk of going beyond forum policies, my objections to the above are:

1)  It completely ignores the distinction between the two realms (or kingdom) of secular power and ministry of the church, contra AC 28

2)  It separates the sacrament from the word contra Luther's Small Catechism ("It is not water that does these things but the word with the water")

3)  It separates the sacrament from faith.

For much better Lutheran Baptismal theology, please see the Krauth I updated for the more "academic" side or Gerberding I provided for a more an understanding of how it fits in with Spirituality/Christian Life.

That said, while the Swedish practice is an abuse of the gift, it remains God's gift...

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A statement I wrote when I released this has stuck under my skin for a while:

Ken McGuire:
Unfortunately there was a small hole in the manuscript on page 243/244.  For most of the text I was able to make an educated guess as to the full word.  My conjectured reading is enclosed by brackets [].  For a small portion I didn't have enough evidence to come up with a reading, and put [???] as the text.

And so when I found myself near a library that had this according to Worldcat, I looked for myself.  I found, first of all, that various printings/editions are paged differently, but when I found the section, was able to verify my conjectured readings as well as fill in the hole.  And so, I release to you an updated text.

Besides those pages, a few bible references were added, but not on any systematic basis.  It still could use more tagging.

SDG

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 6 2014 2:28 PM

Peace, Ken!                    I am indeed thankful for this updated text!              *smile*                 Thanks for following through ........  !

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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